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Gaddafi threatens to attack passenger jets and ships in the Med

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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 08:03 AM
I don't think we should get involved with Libya personally, but this guy is really making that opinion harder and harder for me to hold.

I don't think I'm the only one, I'm sure there are many others out there on the fence, and all of his threats aren't going to make the rest of the world back down, they are going to make the rest of the world more eager to take him down.

His days are numbered, and he seems personally bent on hastening his own demise.

posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:50 AM
Libya declares ceasefire as UN readies for strike

"Libya's foreign minister has declared a ceasefire in the Gadhafi government's fight against rebel forces after the UN Security Council imposed a no-fly zone over the country."

Question is do we take Libya seriously and to their word, or do we bass our belief and actions on his previous statements made today?

posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:53 AM
reply to post by palg1

They violated their ceasefire after they declared it.

The POTUS will be adressing the nation at 2PM eastern time. So most likley between now and then, a joint NATO-Arab League air campiagn will begin.

posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:57 AM
I'm getting pretty sick of this guy, and his soldiers. Is it me, or do all the bastard dictators look like bono? Especially mubarek. My prayer is that the people destroy this loose cannon before the US swoops in and punishes them with 'democracy'. Utterly destroy him.

posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 02:46 PM
reply to post by MikeboydUS

Well then, he and they deserves everything that gets thrown them.

posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 02:50 PM
Something seems odd: they declare a ceasefire, then threaten to attack foreigners? We are not getting the full story here.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 04:16 AM
More news on this story this morning from The Daily Express


Saturday March 19 2011 by Padraic Flanegan

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COLONEL Gaddafi threatened to unleash a wave of terror against Britain yesterday and warned of revenge attacks on holiday jets in the Mediterranean.

The dictator raised the chilling spectre of a second Lockerbie outrage after Britain’s leading role in securing a United Nations-backed no-fly zone over Libya.

Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs that Britons could now face reprisals from the Libyan leader if the despot manages to maintain his grip on power.

With British fighter planes preparing to deploy over Libya as early as today, Gaddafi’s defence ministry warned of swift retaliation, even beyond its national frontiers, against any hostile action.

“Any foreign military act against Libya will expose all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea to danger and civilian and military facilities will become targets of Libya’s counter-attack,” the ministry said in a statement yesterday. Significantly, it warned the danger to Western targets would arise “not just in the short term but also the long term”.

Read more:

edit on 19-3-2011 by tarifa37 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 04:25 AM
Here is a strange thing.

Why hasn't this lunatic been taken out yet?

There are people who could take him out - why not?

Maybe some people want these things to happen. It has to be about power and money. Forget people.

Funnily enough, these people will also be forgotten - what goes round comes round. And they will carry a huge burden - all of those murdered people.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 04:45 AM
You just have to look at Gaddafi´s Speeches in the Past...its very well known around the World for awhile that he isn´t completely sane.

Another thing is,he tried numerous Times to develop and buy WMD´s,even trough Black Markets. It is very possible that he still has Biological,and maybe even Nuclear Weapons,but thats pretty unlikely (i hope...)

And don´t forget that he tried,and to a small extend even suceeded, in blowing up Oil Fields/Oil Refineries in Lybia.

Whats the best thing he could do to hurt/cripple/destroy the West if he sees himself cornered? Blow up Saudi Oil of course...remember,he has pretty much the West AND the Arab-World against him now...

And even if Gaddafi and his remaining Family is killed/arrested,his remaining Followers/Fanatics could be pretty dangerous in the Future...Forget the Taliban,Gaddafi and his goons are much more Dangerous now...

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 05:07 AM

Originally posted by letscit
wow !!! i find it extremely wild how some are so manipulated by the msm.

They are the msm... well more like an online subset of msm..... anyone who has done a minimal amount of research knows it's not about Gaddafi or the Libyans but about oil and global hegemony.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 05:43 AM

Originally posted by dude69
Im really starting to wonder about this...what the hell are TPTB doing in the middle east...apparently they're positioning themselves in some sort of way.

And because of Gadhafi's stupid comments, they are now set to stage a false flag event.

They could easily blame him for it now.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:28 AM
reply to post by NuclearPaul

Yep...and that snake Netanyahu just called for strikes against Iran.......

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:50 AM

Originally posted by GoalPoster

Originally posted by tarifa37
In a very worrying development Colonel Gaddafi is being allegedly reported to be threatening to shoot down passenger planes and to also target cruise liners. If true then this has got to be the actions of a insane and truly evil man to even consider this type of action.

Why doesn't he just paint a bullseye on is arse, go out in the desert, drop trou and wait for the inevitable. His shooting off his pie hole like this smacks of I double dog dare ya and if he takes a quick glance at recent history, that isn't the most reliable of offensive tactical manoevers.

edit on 18-3-2011 by GoalPoster because: (no reason given)

The thing is he probably really doenst care if he lives or dies. He WILL retaliate against the West, if they have WMD, he WILL use them and clearly many Liybian civilians will die because of both the West and Gaddafi.

If he strikes hard into the hearts of the West i'm sure many countries will follow his actions and it could be far far worse for the West than we possibly think...WWIII possibly!

Oh Dear....

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 07:07 AM

Originally posted by jonnywhite
If LIbya is so important why did few people know about it before today. Why wasn't Bush talking about it. I haven't heard Obama mention libya before today. Why did libya become important.

Someone tell me whether i've had my head in the sand.

Did this just happen now or was it brewing for years? And if so why did I hear nothing from Bush? All I remember him complaining about was Iraq and Afghanistan which I can understand.

Where have you been hiding since, I don't know, 1986? Even before. Libya has always been an issue, especially since the Lockerbie bombing.

They were totally frozen out of the international community until the early noughties after Saddam got buggered when he seemed to wisen up and gave up his WMD program. Since then, he has been courted by the West for his Oil and seemed to be making progress "rehabilitating" Libya back into the International Community. This all collapsed once he started bombing his own people because they had the gaul to object to being tortured and oppressed.

Bush did mention him quite a few times and so did Blair, but at the time he renounced terrorism and WMD, so they had no reason to step on him. Now they have a reason.

Originally posted by letscit
wow !!! i find it extremely wild how some are so manipulated by the msm. how did this become bigger than japan?

Firstly, it's been going on since before Japan and secondly, what is the manipulation you speak of? C'mon, I am interested. I hear this alot on ATS, but it's seem to be a knee jerk reaction that isn't based on actual facts.

Originally posted by letscit
why isnt our media telling you all about how dangerous a situation this is?

What situation, Japan or Libya. Be clear.

Originally posted by letscit
this isnt about ghaddaffi and his citizens, its about oil. and yes it is very dangerous, when you have russia, china an turkey (ohhh india too), telling the world to stay out or they may have to get involved. mind-boggling.

Libya has a small amount of Oil when compared to places like Saudi or Iraq. Before the conflict began, they barely produced 1mil barrels a day. Bottom tier oil producer, at best. So no, it's not really about Oil, although it would be naive to think that this didn't factor as oil prices have jumped since the unrest began and that is hurting our economies, so a stable Libya is in our interests.

Secondly, after the UNSC vote, it would appear your blatant fear-mongering about Russia, China or India (oooh..scary India) is unfounded.

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by letscit
wow !!! i find it extremely wild how some are so manipulated by the msm.

They are the msm... well more like an online subset of msm..... anyone who has done a minimal amount of research knows it's not about Gaddafi or the Libyans but about oil and global hegemony.

Again, not about OIl and what "global hegemony" can be gained by taking out Gaddafi? Would you rather he be allowed to stay in power? The West is using this as an excuse (and a good one too) to get rid of a tyrant on Europe's border. I fully back the idea and think we should go further and arm the rebels.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 11:22 AM
reply to post by tarifa37

next TCOTBIP and their MSM mouthpieces will tell us that gadaffi had his soldiers?/mercenaries? take babies out of incubators and ate them. Nurse_Nayirah

i've been sharing the following links on all the Libya related threads 'cause a lot of people have been drinking the kool-aid on this one

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi

Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded
, later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.

Benghazi's importance to Libya and possibly the World:
also explains why Qaddafi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?

Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi?

Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue

Libya False Flag -part 1: Reuters Hoax EXPOSED
World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya Into Chaos

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell.

Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is
Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?

Great Britain funded an Al Qaeda cell in Libya, in an attempt to assassinate Gadaffi. The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for the Salvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence. This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition. It was this organization that called for the "Day of Rage" that plunged Libya into chaos on February 17 of this year.

It did this in Benghazi, a conservative city that has always been opposed to Gadaffi's rule. It should be noted that the National Front for the Salvation of Libya is well armed. In 1996 the group tried to unleash a revolution in the eastern part of Libya before. It used the Libyan National Army, the armed division of the NFSL to begin this failed uprising.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.The United States and Israel however have no interest in a strong Arab world. In fact it seems that elementary to the plan is bringing Libya to its knees through chaos and anarchy. In late 2010, the United Kingdom was still propping up the Libyan government through lucrative arms sales. Nothing is a better guarantee to destroy Libya than a bloody civil war. The tribal system that is still strong in Libya is useful to exploit to generate such a war since Libya has historically been divided into various tribal groups.

This is also why the Libyan government responds by importing mercenaries. Tribal allegiances go before allegiance to the government, especially in Benghazi, and thus the central government has no control over the eastern part of the country anymore. The alternative to mercenaries is a conflict between the various ethnic groups. Gadaffi has tried for 41 years to make the country more homogeneous, but opposition groups funded by outside forced will take little more than a few days to put the country back into the 19th century, before the region was conquered and unified by Europeans. The violence is indeed excessive, but everyone seems to forget that the situation is not the same as in Tunis and Egypt. Tribal ties play a far greater role, and thus the conflict will unfortunately be bloodier.

posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 03:02 PM

Originally posted by stumason
Again, not about OIl and what "global hegemony" can be gained by taking out Gaddafi?

What planet have you been living on for the past 50 years? .... I can't believe that there is this much ignorance about the forces that have been behind geopolitical events over the last 50 years on a forum that deals in subjects that are “Above Top Secret.”

posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 05:51 AM

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by stumason
Again, not about OIl and what "global hegemony" can be gained by taking out Gaddafi?

What planet have you been living on for the past 50 years? .... I can't believe that there is this much ignorance about the forces that have been behind geopolitical events over the last 50 years on a forum that deals in subjects that are “Above Top Secret.”

Dude, if this was about Oil, then why had Gaddffi been given chance after chance to sort this mess out himself before we have to step in? Had he given a few reforms and placated his people, perhaps stop with the oppression just a bit, the rebellion would have dried up and we wouldn't be having this conversation..

I am also pretty well clued up on "geopolitical events" of the last several centuries, not just the past 50 years. Don't assume I am clueless, you will be surprised.

Just because this is ATS, it doesn't mean everything is a conspiracy and in fact, very little is. Most of the stuff posted on here is total crap, to be honest, like HAARP or chemtrails.

posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 11:50 AM
reply to post by stumason

It may not be completely about oil, but you can be sure the Western powers will take advantage of a friendly government when Ghaddafi is gone. One must be a little supicious about why this attack on Ghaddafi is taking place now. Sure, he is attacking his own people, perhaps more than ever, but he has always been hurting his people and, apparently, supporting terrorism.

Completely agree on chemtrails and maybe on HAARP.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:37 PM
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross

I would hedge a bet, seeing as the rebels have said they will renegotiate Oil deals, that we would actually getm more favourable "rates" from the dictator than a Government that wants more for it's people.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:41 PM
he is bi*chin n crying..if he was a REAL man, hed have done it already without say so, alerting the allies of what your gunna do prefore, i dunno call me crazy...sounds stupid* might as well give em your staying positon too.

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