First, the name of the thread is not meant to upset but to help others see that (to put it ridiculously simple & yet make no sense) 'Everything is everything'.

To put it even simpler - we all believe the same things, how we get to that belief/fact of life is unique to us. Our disregard for understanding & humanity has led us down the path we are at now.

But before I keep rambling let me show you what I made this thread for...


You've ["We've"] been born & raised to kill one another -- with what we choose to kill another with, however is our choice.

-me 3/17/2011

That above quote I came up with last night got me started thinking (well, more so to say the least) and here's what I came up with..

To explain the above quote simply - we have to be self aware/conscious. Not just of our actions, but everything we do down to the thought we had for a macro second (or something long pondered)[*Reminds me of polar opposites]. If it effects a living orgasm physically/emotionally then it is being done by something consciously [as well as causing influence, in some 'realm' of thought, right? (*insight needed on this last sentence speficially - agree/disagree, why? etc.)

I'm not done quoting myself yet but I did want to add something here.

If I can influence, for example, the way a plant grows using +/- energy (or what have you), are not every molecule involved in sending such energy 'alive' in some fashion?

I'm not saying every molecule is alive at all. I am honestly asking this question. I guess what it comes down to is -- are we all one?
Continuation of previous quote...

Since energy can be stored it is absolute and absolute. it can never not be there/here/anywhere -- unless things do die out/fade away into the abyss. If all energy is dispersed then the molecule would be no more.

However, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Right? -- since when energy is dispersed > left with empty shell >shell must be filled once again -- that is the cycle of life. [*Reincarnation explained?*]

I leave you with that for now.

Will be awaiting responses.

I wouldn't mind any responses to my OP -- in all sincerity, I don't mind being challenged - having a chance to provide myself with information from another perspective even if it doesn't agree with my own whatsoever is helpful to my personal growth.

People are not that bad. We are geared to survive, sometimes killing ends up happening, but I don't think we go out of our way to do it.

I think we are just adapting to our environment, like other animals.

Originally posted by Section69
People are not that bad. We are geared to survive, sometimes killing ends up happening, but I don't think we go out of our way to do it.

I think we are just adapting to our environment, like other animals.

Adapting to our environment is exactly it!

We're constantly adapting to our environment which is in fact constantly changing, so nothing is truly finite in this realm.

That's a great way to explain life to someone simply -- we're constantly adapting to our surroundings.

When you think about things for a while do you ever realize that you end up coming to a basic term, or an often used proverb? This is ourselves being understanding with... ourselves. You can argue a point forever because the truth is, is if nothing is finite, then how can you have a definitive answer for any moment other than the moment [the point] is proven true (without playing all variables into the equation constantly)?

...yeah hurts my head too

I have wrestled with this subject for my whole life. Here are just a few of my contemplations. Please bear with me. "No pun intended".

People (humans) are vain creatures. Most of us believe everything revolves around us and is for our pleasure. My searching has led me to believe that this is not so. I believe that anything with purpose has value and in the world's existence everything has purpose.

If you start with us, people, and work backwards, you will begin to understand where I am coming from. A human being, as an adult is a consumption machine, and yes I said machine. We eat, drink and breathe the energy of the earth constantly. The air we can filter or not, but we do consume it, breathing out CO2 as a byproduct. The water, again filtered or not, we consume and our efficient bodies use it to clean out the toxins, the byproducts of our body's operations. This is expelled into the environment. What we choose to consume as food, whether it is vegetable or flesh, is the energy we feed our body. Without any of these three items for a prolonged period our body (machine) quits for lack of energy, shuts down, and dies.

Now many people like to think they do not belong to this consumption agenda, but there is no escape from it. Some are strict vegetarians because they do not wish to eat anything with a face, or blood flowing through its veins. I am sorry to say that the vegetation they eat is every bit as alive as that cute little lamb some would turn into mutton. That tomato may not be able to wander from point to point, or flee to escape the one planning to eat it, but it is alive. It grows from a seed which is the product of the fertilization of its parents. It has drawn energy from the air, the sun and the water to flourish into a tomato plant. It has mated with another of its species, or self pollinated to reproduce in the form of that delicious tomato, which "Joe" human plucks and eats. Although the end to its cycle wasn't exactly what the plant may have had in "mind", it has fulfilled one of its purposes.

Now don't feel too sorry for the animals and plants that humans consume. No, because they get their revenge eventually. Maybe not the tomato or lamb personally, but one of their relatives. From the moment you come into existence your body's byproducts return to the environment and reenter the energy cycle. Your CO2 feeds those plants you (or the animals you eat) eat, as does your waste. And news to the human, you are eventually going to die. Now that could be from illness, old age, or one of the many wars we wage amongst ourselves, but you WILL die. And when you die, this wonderful body you have been so proud or ashamed of in your lifetime will decompose. No matter how you plan to have it cared for after your death it will rot and return to the energy cycle. The nutrients that made up your body will go into the soil, the air, the water and is going to ultimately feed the earth and ALL of its inhabitants.

Now, this was a round about way for me to say I agree, to an extent, to the statement you made that we are all meant to kill one another. But I will stipulate that by saying, we are all meant to SUSTAIN one another. Death/Killing is simply the by product of living. But I do agree that we choose how to kill. It can be with the mercy and understanding of one creature aware enough to realize that every other creature has the right to its place in the world and the dignity given to it by virtue of its existence. It can be with the mind of a predator, which may not contemplate at all, the thoughts the prey may have, it only sees a dinner or a conquest. It may be done with out any deep thought at all because that creature (man) believes it is supreme to all other living things. But kill we will. And it is our choice, once we become aware that we have one.

That is where I believe our soul/spirit/inner self/higher self comes into play. That is the part of us that determines how we approach living our lives. The development and education of that part of ourselves determines whether we are a predator, a mindless consumer or an aware participant in this beautiful thing we are privileged to participate in, called life. Now another subject to ponder... who was the genius that came up with this cycle? (that is a whole other can of worms), and are we helped or hindered by being aware of the choices? Ah, but I stray from the subject.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
"Once your learn that you must place yourself first and foremost, before anyone, even your loved ones, you will be able to truly help others as you will now be helping yourself."

Yourself is always priority #1 if not then you have a problem.

Even if you say you will take a bullet for your lover, which in all fairness may be true, if you're not 100% how can you say that for sure? How do you know you wont be anxious and have delayed reaction? This is an extreme but I'm hoping it makes sense.

I rethought this out and thought of a much better way to say the above:

You may wish to take a bullet for another, but how can you do so before you're able to put yourself first?


I think that sounds a lot better and it's much simpler.