Who made the decision to promote mass Muslim Immigration into Australia?

Originally posted by Dinogur
dude this isnt just happen in AUS, its happening in USA - my whole area used to be white, but as soon as i moved 1/4 is now muslim, im not Christian but i am also getting upset of this. i heard in canada, theyre flocking in the masses. y? for free healthcare, welfare, and many other free money they get.

you may have heard of the us cia agent killing 2 paki intel officers, the families of those 2 men gladly accepted $1 mill, see how cheap these people are, it sickens me to even think about it

Go live in poor conditions and see how cheap you get. You have the comftability of sayig this in a relatively stable country(I know, I know) with a relatively wealthy life style. They don't.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
This whole post seems to me to be racist bigotry. I hate throwing the word "racist" around as I'm deeply opposed to political correctness.
As a former refugee, I can ellaborate on why these "muslims" are coming to a "christian" country who is at war with them. Your occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has destroyed there homes, brought about rampant corruption and prosecution. The invaders or "muslims" have come to your countries in desperation as you have destroyed their homeland. Now ask yourself, who are the real invaders? Those who have no where left to go, those who are struggling for survival or those who have occupied middle eastern countries to bring them "freedom" and "democracy" that they never asked for.

This is total irrelevant and very childish (no pun intended). Immigration didn't start yesterday or with the beginning of the war, it's not even about Afghanistan or Iran. We're talking about generations of immigrants from all muslim countries.

Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
This whole post seems to me to be racist bigotry. I hate throwing the word "racist" around as I'm deeply opposed to political correctness.
As a former refugee, I can ellaborate on why these "muslims" are coming to a "christian" country who is at war with them. Your occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has destroyed there homes, brought about rampant corruption and prosecution. The invaders or "muslims" have come to your countries in desperation as you have destroyed their homeland. Now ask yourself, who are the real invaders? Those who have no where left to go, those who are struggling for survival or those who have occupied middle eastern countries to bring them "freedom" and "democracy" that they never asked for.

This is total irrelevant and very childish (no pun intended). Immigration didn't start yesterday or with the beginning of the war, it's not even about Afghanistan or Iran. We're talking about generations of immigrants from all muslim countries.

Out of sheer curiosity, how many muslims have you met? How many have you welcomed into your home? How many have you had a long conversation with?

Just for the record. I'm neither religous nor from a muslim country. In fact I'm from a state known to have inflicted genocide on muslims.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by punterdeb
reply to post by CarpenterMatt

 

the thing is, is that if you dont live in sydney, you really dont know what we are talking about. i am talking from experience here. you only need to go 2 hours from sydney in any direction and the main population of that area is australians. i take you back to the recent floods in queensland and victoria. when you watched the main media coverage of that, it was your good ole aussies. sydney is dying with the immigration we currently have. i can honestly see that in 10 years time the riots of cronulla will be very very common.

Maybe you should find another League club to support. Obviously South Sydney isn't the club for you. What with their promotion of multiculturalism and the rights of the aboriginal people.

Most your team are Aboriginal, Polynesian or Poms. About 5 "good ole aussies" at best mate.

you see the above is a great example of what im talking about. someone who doesnt know me from jack tells me im supporting the wrong team. when did i ever.....and i mean ever say anything on here about being against aboriginals or their rights. i beg you to point it out. NEVER....but that doesnt matter. because you see you have branded me racist for what i said about immigration. so that then gives you free reign to throw whatever lies and names and labels you want to at me. because.....u have deemed me racist. it doesnt even have to be true what you say...you can even make it up if want too and as you have, you have publicly tried to take the legs i stand on out from underneath me by branding me a racist because i dont agree with your thoughts. who is the one who will get the warning of a moderator out of this....not you! because you were the one who threw the only mud in the world that is able to stick to anything....those words that "your a racist".

the whole world just reminds me of the side show alley game where you have the bat and all the little beavers stick their heads up out of the hole and you have to hit them with the bat. its like the majority are the beavers and the minority are the ones holding the bat. only its not a bat.....its a word and that word is "racist".

Its an island than can be monitored from air sea and land. Its logistical approach to a current problem

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant

Out of sheer curiosity, how many muslims have you met? How many have you welcomed into your home? How many have you had a long conversation with?

I've meet lots of em, went to school with lots of em, had them over at my place many times as I grew up and talked for long hours with them and their parents. My observations are not pure casual, whatever I've wrote in this post: www.abovetopsecret.com... comes from first hand experience. Unfortunately we cannot change things just by being in denial. Some truth are hard to accept but are truths nonetheless. And as much as we continue to ignore them, they still stand right there in front of our faces and gonna cause more and more problems.

reply to post by Dr Expired



i think immigration is a good thing but they do need to improve on the processing speed of the detainee's,
and all those that burn down the property at the centers should be sent back........and remember we are paying for all of it with our taxes etc.

Also if you look there are immigrants from all over the world coming to Australia not just Afgan and Iraq.

Look at all the Sudanese people we have here now.
Some of them i got to have dinner with and they were so grateful for Australia it was a great experience to talk to people from that part of the world.

I think most country's have a shady past when it comes to the locals......but i for 1 am very proud that our gov had the guts to say sorry.
Just a curious question what other country's in the world have apologized to the locals?

my 2 cents thanks

reply to post by Dr Expired


Get them all out ASAP! Look at America.... Let them in.....next thing you know they are blowing up things.

Now i'm not saying that there all bad but the bad one gave them a bad name and now look at what there doing to there own people.

Get informed

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Originally posted by Thurisaz
reply to post by punterdeb

 

well sit down then

Please, let me clarify the point I was trying to make:

What right has a person got to winge about immigration when they are in fact, an immigrant themselves?

Everyone is an immigrant. I believe I have a right to defend my way of life and my countrys collective way of life. We are a relaxed people, generally with love for one another and what our lives are like. This is being eroded by imigrants from cultures where they stick to their own and do not become part of the existing community.

The long and the short of it is this - if they wish to live the lives they had when they were in their home countries then they can bloody well stay there and leave us the hell alone.

Let's take a look at the big picture.

If the distribution of wealth around the globe was far more equal.

If jobs and the opportunity to succeed and lead a happy life was the same in every country.

Then we wouldn't have millions of people desperately trying to escape the unbearable , hopeless lives they are forced to endure in their Hell hole countries in search of a safer environment and more affluent and dignified lifestyle.

WE MUST START TAKING BETTER CARE OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IF WE WANT A BETTER WORLD - EARTH IS OUR COMMUNITY.


' Poverty is the worst form of violence'.

Gandhi.

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Everyone is an immigrant. I believe I have a right to defend my way of life and my countrys collective way of life. We are a relaxed people, generally with love for one another and what our lives are like. This is being eroded by imigrants from cultures where they stick to their own and do not become part of the existing community.

The long and the short of it is this - if they wish to live the lives they had when they were in their home countries then they can bloody well stay there and leave us the hell alone.''


You make no sense at all, you dont want these people around, but you taunt them because they don't socialise and ''stick to their own'' .You clearly show you don't want them around, so why the hell would they bother approaching you? Hence why they stick to their own.

This is an interesting discussion, since being American, it's nice to hear about some other parts of the world.

So I'll try to throw some objective thoughts out:

It seems to me that this discussion (which is so like America it's kinda, but not really, funny) has really gone nowhere; created another perpetual toilet bowl by swirling around the source without ever really getting to it. I don't mean any offense by this.

I've heard some bring up racial issues much like ours in America, but they tend to speak of a single race as if they did two very contradictory things within the same lifetime rather than there being dozens of generations between. While ethnic culture has changed quite a lot in America, white culture has changed quite a lot as well.

To me, the source problem is not whether we should allow or disallow others based on their skin or religion. That would, in fact, be bigoted by definition. It seems more along the line of, if a responsible government controls migration (which in the end benefits the natives and immigrants), then what is the proper amount allowed?

We are connected by land, so it makes it more difficult to control, but the idea is the same. We can deal with the current results of past history now, but do nothing with what's happened in history. The condition now is more important as it's the only thing we have control over.

Peace
KJ

Originally posted by Mentalistbee
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You make no sense at all, you dont want these people around, but you taunt them because they don't socialise and ''stick to their own'' .You clearly show you don't want them around, so why the hell would they bother approaching you? Hence why they stick to their own.


I make perfect sense. I love immigrants, I think I even just said that we are all immigrants, which make me one too.

You are right that I don't want the ones around that do not wish to be a part of the community in which they have specifically desired to live. If they do not, why have they left their own wonderful countries where their own way of life was so successful?

The answer is that it was not successful and they have chosen a place other than their home in which to live and they should desire to be a part of the community, attempt to integrate into the host culture while sharing their own.

I do not know any Australian who doesn't share their lives with wonderful immigrants, though I'm sure there are some, if not by choice, due to geography. However if you come here then be one of us or don't come at all.

In my view the answer to this question lies in the quetion who wants them here -
1. big busienss so they drive down wages. Even highy qualified boat people will work for much less than other Aussies in oder to get a job, get established, get citiznship and start sponsoring family.
2. TPB to dilute religions. ethnicity identity and national identify.

reply to post by punterdeb


Yeah, like my Tongan friend who was adopted by an Australian family at a young age, represented Australia in the Australian schoolboys rugby league team and was on the news during the flood clean ups as a one man army. Get off your high horse mate. I was born here, doesn't make me any more Aussie than some people who have adopted and love Australia the country and the Australian people.

I do however despise people who want to adopt Australian land as their own without wanting to adopt the culture. I have aboriginal friends who joke that they'd have been f#cked without the first fleet coming. Probably not, and it is just a joke, but the love the Australian way of life. We do have immigrants who arrive here and want to change Australia to be like the places they left. It defies any logic and is extremely annoying and depressing.

People are welcome to their own beliefs. I respect and admire some aspects of other cultures and people are free to express and practice their own cultures. This is one of those things that makes Australia an interesting place. But it should be done within the social framework that exists here. We need to adopt a 'freedom within boundaries' approach - if you come here, you must respect and acknowledge our way of life.

.... I should go into politics - LOL

reply to post by sydneysider


i wasnt on any high horse and everything you said i agree with...

This is what most suburbs in Sydney are like these days, its what i grew up with and it only seems to be getting worse.



Naming all the suburbs in sydney they have "taken over"



Notice Australia with the Lebanese flag and the words "Under new management" And also the car with the number plate "Racist" and also the video footage, including the one from the news after the credits.. Only to name a few things that stood out for me...





"I bash every motherf*cking aussie i see looking at me"
"Im from Bass hill, its a hobby to kill"
Also with the same thing as the other one including Australia with the Lebanese flag and "Under new management" written over it..


These are only a few of the many videos they have posted.... I don't know if they will show up, i've never posted videos before.

Anyway.. this is what i have a problem with.. And im sure many other Australian citizens do aswell. Its not racist, we are just fed up of people coming to this country to flee from their own and then bludge off of our government causing trouble and violence claiming to "take over Australia". Many don't even bother to learn the English language, even though this is an English speaking country.

Not all are like this, others come here and appreciate this country and respect its laws and the people, learn to speak English and get a job... And we have no problem with that.

I think its in Greenacre or Lakemba, where the biggest Mosque in the Southern hemisphere is. You walk through many suburbs here and you swear your not in Australia any more.

It's funny how i get stared at and called racist and be verbally abused for wearing a shirt with the Aussie flag on it...

Why is it so wrong to wear the flag of our country when they wave their flag around proudly?

Does anyone remember when there was talk about banning the Aussie flag on Australia day because people were offended by it?

I just think we are too scared to stand up to them in fear of being called racist, so we let them walk all over us. Its quite sad really.

reply to post by M2298


The obvious difference between you and myself is that you live in your comfort zone knowing full well that you wont be scraped of the road side from some home made device and on the other hand you simply wont know since it will be too late.

You should be aware that the world is a dangerous rock and because you live in a known secure location does not exempt you from any future action. All i am pointing out is that regardless how you feel or what your surroundings have obviously projected upon you is that, simply, this world we all call our home, is simply an illusion.

You are a product of your environment.

I guess its all about respect of anothers body, mind, beliefs.
I happened to experience a couple of Muslims respect to Australians in the workplace, one Muslim Indian talking to one Muslim Pakistani in a small motor vehicle whilst (both recently arrived migrants who spoke near perfect English , I was supposedly in training for a new job.

They chose to speak in Arabic for the majority of the 12 hour shift .

I withsttod it for one day , and then on the second day let my feeelings known without abuse , I nearly lost my job for expressing my displeasure at their calculated rude behaviour.

They spoke Arabic because most Educated Muslims who have studied the Koran are taught Arabic

Did it occur to them the disrespect, the rudeness they were acting out?

Or was it I was simply an Infidel, or an Aussie?

Some who waffle on about Multiculturism have never experienced , the alienation of being a minority amongst a foreign majority.

Wake up , every culture values its own ...think about it.

let me tell a story,

i live in hong kong, 10yrs. i am white, lol.

last year, a gal from mexico! lol, trashed some flags of hk and burnt them at a shrine.

wtf?

she was arrested and prosecuted. deported.

this really blew my mind. mexico? really?

but the gov stepped in and delt with it. good on them.

i have to carry my id at all times, i don't mind. i see people being stopped all the time, for id. it doesn't seem to bother them, either.


what this post says is that, immigrants should be play nice, not cause alot of bs for the host country.



how many of you have a chinatown? safest place to be at 3am, if you are white.

or any color, for that matter.

who let them in to australia? the non thinking libs, same as the USA. europe etc.

need some real laws about that stuff.

i need a visa to go to china. ya, i am a permanent resident in HK sar. can't get my disabled brother here to live.



you can't live forever in japan. they send your butt home.

immigration should be tough everywhere. prove your worth. economic refugees are not accepted.