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Who made the decision to promote mass Muslim Immigration into Australia?

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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The biggest problem is: what is muslim in your head, what is muslim that you define, what are muslims in the world etc... There are more than 1.5 billion lives you are talking about with thousands different rituals, cultures, ethnicity etc. The media, the prejudices, the brainwahing process work so well that you can define so many diversiteis with only one word: muslim.




posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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I know the Arab Muslims and "international" Muslims in general much much better than you; I could have one eating out of my hand any time.....but they'll bite yours off. They don't like people sucking up to them. I on the other tell them straight what I think of them and I get treated like royalty!

The Muslims outside of the Middle East and in nations like Kosovo, Indonesia, Pakistan, India etc are not real Muslims, they can't even read Arabic for pete's sake. I mean, how the bloody hell are they supposed to read the Qu'ran in it's proper format?


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5

The Muslims outside of the Middle East and in nations like Kosovo, Indonesia, Pakistan, India etc are not real Muslims, they can't even read Arabic for pete's sake. I mean, how the bloody hell are they supposed to read the Qu'ran in it's proper format?



Bit like those not real Christians from places like Britiain or America or Australia who can't even read Greek or Aramaic


In fact, exactly alike.




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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Source 60 Minutes

This video is from 60 minutes last night, it talks about the Muslim extremest in the UK and thinks Australia is on the same track.

Transcript below.
Some say it's the very thing that makes Australia great. Others believe it threatens our national identity.

It seems right now nothing divides opinion like multiculturalism.

Our government insists it's working here, a shining example for the rest of the world.

But in some countries like Britain and Germany they've declared multiculturalism a failure, a disastrous social policy that's torn communities apart.

But let's be frank here. This debate isn't so much about race as religion and a fear of one in particular - Islam.

Read Michael Usher's blog on this story and have your say

Full transcript [edited by staff]:



TOMMY ROBINSON: Whenever I go out of the house, I wear this. Um, just 'cause I know the threat is real. It's not a joke. I know they're serious. I know there's killers within their religion and I know how seriously they take it.

MICHAEL USHER: Tommy Robinson is ready to fight for Queen and country.

TOMMY ROBINSON: This is bulletproof, yeah, bulletproof, stab-proof.

MICHAEL USHER: To defend the British way of life against an invasion he says has already begun - the spread of Islamic extremism. It's a cause he's prepared to die for.

TOMMY ROBINSON: There's no retreat, no surrender, and people aren't willing to surrender now or willing to submit. We're not being beaten into silence.



ANJEM CHOUDARY: I don't agree with the British values.

MICHAEL USHER: But you are British.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: Well, I mean a British passport is a mere travel document.

MICHAEL USHER: Born and educated here.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: I may be been here but if I was born in a barn, it wouldn't make me a horse. My dear Muslims, we live in a time of fitna.

MICHAEL USHER: Anjem Choudary is the face of extreme Islam in Britain and he's proud of it.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: This is the downfall of Western civilisation.




MICHAEL USHER: How do you view someone like me - a young, white Christian man who likes democracy and likes the society we live in?

ANJEM CHOUDARY: Well, I think obviously you're misguided. I would invite you to look at the Koran at the word of God –

MICHAEL USHER: I'm misguided.

ANJEM CHOUDARY: I believe that you're misguided. I would invite you to look at the Koran as the word of God and to embrace Islam and God willing you will attain paradise.

MICHAEL USHER: Where am I headed?

ANJEM CHOUDARY: If you die the way that you're dying, then you'll go to the hellfire.


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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by M2298
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Im not exactly sure what you mean by your first paragraph but what you said in the second one...



All i am pointing out is that regardless how you feel or what your surroundings have obviously projected upon you is that, simply, this world we all call our home, is simply an illusion. You are a product of your environment.


You just reminded me of something someone said in a video i once watched... It has stuck with me ever since and has changed the way i see everything..

"The only realities we know are they ones our brains manufactures.... Our brain receives millions of signals every minute, and we organize them into holograms which we project outside ourselves and call reality."

Whether or not thats what you are referring to, i thought you might appreciate it anyway... If not, thats fine too.
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Inject ideology into any subject, sprinkle it with religion and you what is needed. Its a proven method regardless of how one assumes civilization has evolved.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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That was scary. I'm not surprised though. We have people like that in Canada too. Not converted to islam but born and raised in muslim families. So I know the tune.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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or Latin

agreed!



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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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One should not be concerned or scared of other races taking over if they are competent and a bit racial with their observance. When people identify the race, they teach the differences to their children which in-turn helps the children learn about their own race and others. This keeps things tidy upto certain extent until they start to make babies together. This is where the mainstream culture seems to disappear as there is no true identity of the race or culture that people are phobic about. Australians has nothing to worry about but only to fear their own insecurities.

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by hp1229
One should not be concerned or scared of other races taking over if they are competent and a bit racial with their observance. When people identify the race, they teach the differences to their children which in-turn helps the children learn about their own race and others. This keeps things tidy upto certain extent until they start to make babies together. This is where the mainstream culture seems to disappear as there is no true identity of the race or culture that people are phobic about. Australians has nothing to worry about but only to fear their own insecurities.

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Right, nothing to worry about but I can't get on the freeway to work or the train or tram because it's packed full...nothing to wrry about at all.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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An interesting video for some people here, I know most of this stuff anyway I've heard it before.

Because the world is becoming less friendly in terms of relations with democratic and Christian people with countries Muslims and Islamic ideologies we have to think is it a good idea for so many to migrate to countries where people are free from that side of the world. The world split in terms of both ideologies a long time ago.
What this video shows is what to expect if your country becomes popuated by a group that can be easily offended and have little interest of your freedloms.


www.couriermail.com.au...

Muslim taxi drivers refuse blind fares with 'unclean' guide dogs

SOME Muslim taxi drivers are refusing to carry blind and disabled passengers with guide dogs - because their religion tells them the animals are "unclean".
Brisbane's Yellow Cab Company has been forced to sack drivers over their conduct towards passengers with assistance dogs.
Bill Parker, general manager of the firm, said the behaviour would not be tolerated and penalties will be imposed if drivers disobeyed.
The company has produced a booklet informing drivers of their duty towards blind and disabled customers with dogs.
Islamic Council of Queensland president Suliman Sabdia said dogs were considered a health risk for Muslims but "to use religion as a reason to refuse blind and disabled passengers is unjustified".


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Victorian Taxi Association spokesman Neil Sach said the association had appealed to the mufti of Melbourne to give religious approval for Muslim cabbies to carry guide dogs.
One Muslim driver, Imran, said yesterday the guide dog issue was difficult for him.
``I don't refuse to take people, but it's hard for me because my religion tells me I should not go near dogs,'' he said.
There are about 2000 Muslims among drivers of Melbourne's 10,000 taxis. Many are from countries with strict Islamic teachings about ``unclean'' dogs and the evils of alcohol.


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www.crescentrating.com...


Sydney Airport receives a sizable number of Muslim passengers, especially from the Persian Gulf region. This has resulted in the establishment of two prayer rooms at the airport. Passengers, however, can easily access only one room present at Terminal 1. It is located on Level 3 and directions are clearly marked to help people in finding this room. The Prayer room is multi-dimensional with separate praying spaces for men and women. It has attached washrooms with foot stools and other accessories.
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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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I havent read thru all this thread, but the first few pages were enough.

I have lived in Australia for nearly ten years. In this time I have very quickly realised how lucky I am that I was able to emigrate here.
I live 10 mins from the beach, my winter lasts perhaps 8 weeks with the rest of the year T shirts and shorts weather, the people are very easy-going and I am grateful that my children have grown up here.
My wife and I have worked very hard in this time and have a lovely home with pool and pretty garden.
Whilst taxation is high here, so are the "perks" regarding Pensions, health Care etc.The schools are of a high standard, and, given we lived in Africa prior,we really appreciate the gun free society which most americans cannot begin to fathom.

Why am I telling you this?
Because, having lived in Apartheid South Africa and Zimbabwe under Mugabe,I know racism when I see it.

Sadly Australians are very racist.( a sweeping generalisation, but my general feeling!)

I read recently that "Boat People" make up 3% of illegal immigration, with the vast majority of "illegals" arriving legally on a temporary visa....except they dont leave. This fact is a non-issue in OZ...everythings about the Boat People(invariably muslims fleeing wars in Afghanistan or Iraq...wars which ironically Australia is quite happy to partake in)...who have on average paid thousands of dollars to some People Smuggler who then, with total disregard for their "clients",organise rickety wooden boats with which to cross the sea in.

Many boats are lost at sea...infamously they also smash against rocks, killing men women and children.

Muslim bashing is a worldwide scurge....sadly Australia is no exception.

To me its just sooo sad that some here are too busy being hateful instead of realising that the whole world has a problem with refugees, which will worsen as the food shortages of the world continue to increase, or America and its Allies continue to invade muslim countries for their oil or minerals.

I would die for Australia and I believe my wife would too...but god your a racist lot.


Maybe some of you need to get out , go overseas and see the kind of "existance" the majority of this planet suffer through....take stock, dont be so bitter...it could be a LOT worse mate!

Afterall it was immigration that made Australia what it is today!!

We all have immigrant blood!!

And guess what?
Tomorrow, when you wake up the sun will be shining, the sky hasnt fallen in and your lovely country will still be the envy of most of the world.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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There is several methods that have been implemented to covertly take down nation states…. mass immigration is one of them. Here in Vancouver Canada, it’s like living in Asia…. In many areas every face you see on the streets and in the automobiles is Asian (primarily Chinese) and there are many indoor shopping venues where every sign in the shops and boutiques is Chinese… if you’re English Canadian you’re in the wrong place to shop. The same mass immigration is taking place in Toronto and Montreal. When people are culturally and linguistically divided they are less likely to unite to resist government corruption and oppression.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:37 AM
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I think what most people here are saying.....

if you want to immigrate to Australia.....GO THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS like you did as a South African immigrant.

Another point I wish to make, people smuggling and coming here illegally or overstaying your visa is a crime last time I looked at the immigration laws.

There have been people standing in long lines through the correct channels for years and still waiting. Most of these are educated and productive people, these people did the right thing.

We already have a large shortage of housing; Australians are already struggling to pay the rent (or the mortgage) living from week to week. These days you go apply for a rental property and the line is long. For every job available there is one for every 100 applicants.

Many of the illegal immigrants are not going to create jobs, they are going to be a burden on the system and so are most of their children.

After they get here, they criticise our policies, break laws and commit some of the most shocking crimes - you only have to look at our prisons and see who forms a majority.

I think it's time we stop immigration of all asylum seekers (except for the absolute exceptional; informants to our military from nations where we are stationed there) and start taking care of our own.

For those who have done the right thing and still continue to stand in line after 5 years is just appauling. Only those with big $$$ jump to the top of the priority list get processed more quickly; among that list of priorities are many of those from South Africans themselves who built their fortunes through the exploitation of black employees throughout the apartheid years. And not much has changed in South Africa since.

Am I racist? No. But I do know those immigrants with $$$ have never rubbed shoulders asylum seekers. They only see whats flashes across their screens once in a while, come in to message boards and deem the Australian people racist, yet they dare not socialise with these illegal boat people themselves; in fact they almost never drive through their suburbs.

I don't care if you are rich, middle class or poor.....go through the correct channels and stand in line like the rest of them and wait your turn.

*NOTE: I too immigrated here almost 30 years years; don't think the ex-Pats of my country have'nt received the brunt of the Australians but they are my ANZAC brothers and sisters. The Australians have their little quirks no less than you or I but when sh*t hits the fan, they have proven time and time again they are among the most tolerant and charitable people on earth.


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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Question 01: Sharai law is mentioned as being a possible law in your country. Do you argue against it?
Question 02: People you know say this a non-event. Do you agree with them?
Question 03: You know a moderate muslim who says it means nothing. Do you believe them?
Questinn 04: A law is passed allowing a certain degree of Sharai law into the legal system. Are you for it?
Question 05: Your Muslim friend says they disagree with this. Do you believe them?
Question 06: People start protests against this legal decision and start to fight against it with violence. Do you fight with them?
Question 07: Your Muslim friends say those involved are racists and bigots. Do you disagree?
Question 08: The law changes to allow Sharia courts for certain things after many attempts to acheive this. Do you bother to act and change this?
Question 09: You are called racist for even stating an opnion on the matter. Your Muslim friends are silent. Do you try and speak out?
Question 10: You now have no chance to change the law, your Muslim 'friends' consider you an enemy of Islam, and the police attack you at any rally you present at in protest. Was it worth it?

THE ANSWER IS NO.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by soleprobe
There is several methods that have been implemented to covertly take down nation states…. mass immigration is one of them. Here in Vancouver Canada, it’s like living in Asia…. In many areas every face you see on the streets and in the automobiles is Asian (primarily Chinese) and there are many indoor shopping venues where every sign in the shops and boutiques is Chinese… if you’re English Canadian you’re in the wrong place to shop. The same mass immigration is taking place in Toronto and Montreal. When people are culturally and linguistically divided they are less likely to unite to resist government corruption and oppression.


I couldn't agree more, Australia is now much the same, every second face is Asian, I have a problem when my culture is struggling against another. The average Australian is in denial, to busy playing the employment game and paying the power brokers to exist, day to day week to week. Or just doesn't care as they are part of it and making the cash.

Some I know are quiet concerned as our government has been very busy playing the propaganda game basically telling big lies much like the following. There are loads of jobs out there, mass immigration works, your future is bright, and we care and are here to help, the welfare system is disgusting if your an Aussie, I could go on.

One that preluded many of our current problems, is when they made laws to sanitize our language and make sure people were to scared to speak out. Those with their own agendas can now quickly send someone into the corner with the racist slogan. Lets face it the world is racist fish are, all animals are and so are we. That does not mean that we cannot get on with it and get along, we basically did before the new controls were put in place and our world was a lot more honest and transparent then it is now.

Most Aussies have the she will be right attitude and everyone deserves a fair go. They do not get that todays immigrants are not like the Italian and Greek and early Chinese people that came here, to work and become part of our culture. The new immigrants wont be giving us a fair go, once they get there chance. They are already into our politics and and becoming our bosses. It wont be long if it hasn't already happened, that the Australian way of life will be no more. And its not just gidday mate either.

We now have employment being run much like how the yanks do it, with slimy HR companies playing games along discriminatory drug testing policies, including bull# bits of paper required for most jobs, sold by the the various educational empires. The educational empires are now largely running the job show, and after all where did education basically begin the church which is a worry. Most every course or study that is undertaken now has a health and safety content, they all regurgitate the same rubbish in the interests of profit. If you haven't learned to be safe by the time you have left school, you wont be around for to long anyway.

Our Schools have largely failed us, often run by politicians in waiting mostly with fantastic employment conditions, what a gig. Free parties at least once a week for the staff, more holidays than any average worker will ever get in a life time, and heck no drug testing and with little accountability, except to their respective clubs. Shame on the education empires is all I can say, yes they have the population by the short and curlies after all they are societies baby sitters. Our kids should be safe in them, but they are not, schools promote no bulling, yet those that run the show are the biggest bullies.

Most of the greatest things were not built by people with little bits of paper, it amuses me that for all the health and safety we have imposed on our workers and industry that accidents still happen and plains still fall out of the sky. But it does achieve one thing, it makes profit for the educational empires and its stops competition. After all we can buy it cheaper form countries that have zero safety laws and associated costs slaves are cheap, yet restrict our own industry and workers, to what ends. Sure lets be safe, lets make the directors and government fully accountable, that would be a good start and make it all a lot safer, chop a few of their heads off and I bet it all becomes a nicer safer place for all. After all they have committed the biggest crimes in all of history and mostly get away with it, along with some fat payout they get to take with them

I don't like the idea of boat people, but I do understand that you have to run somewhere when you let your country stuff up, perhaps they should be offing the problem in the first place, sometimes martyrs are needed. I do have a problem with the legal immigrants coming here as well, just as much as I do with the boat people. Its like you pay to play, if you pay one of the education empires your fees or some shoddy government department you largely have a ticket to be Australian, then you can winge enough to get the rest of your mate in.

I am a bitza Aussie and have traveled the world. I used to go to Asia for a holiday and love the experience, but heck now I do not have to, they are all here, as for the Muslims yes come here and be part of it, but you do not seem to do this. You come here and start to push your pathetic ideals onto my society, while the government and its various profit driven empires clap along saying it all works just fine.

Australia has become a fraud, its government is not transparent, it is now big brother, with many in it who are running the show being slimy and yes incompetent, with yes zero accountability, hiding behind some piece of paper that they purchased from one of the profit driven educational empires. And making laws to protect themselves so they can hide behind the crime empire "the legal system" mostly in their own interests to screw the public for their gain.

Yes I am disgusted and can only hope when the dodo hits that fan, that we get a chance at retribution on these so called leaders their devious companies and corrupt officials, that rape and destroy our land for profit and power. The last time that Aussies showed much back bone was the Eureka stockade, and that was a bloody long time ago. I am guessing we wont get a second chance as now only the government gangsters and real criminals have access to the guns. George Washington once said that to have a democracy you have to have an armed public. the whole gun thing is absurd considering a person with a knife could quietly kill just as many, but you cannot take a pee shooter to a gun fight, so yes the public cannot win if we needed to go up against this elected regime, it will be our blood that flows not theirs.

I am living in hope that 2012 is real, as most of us have little future here now, other than living day to day. I could go on but heck shell be right mate!
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