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Death of Detroit, and what it means to America

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posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 12:15 PM
The United States is declining. I'm sure none of us will dispute this. The folowing article portrays a chilling picture of what WILL happen if the country remains on its current path!
The City of Detroit is leading in this slow death, and the author explains how this happened:

"Observing the death of Detroit, as it shrinks into oblivion and its citizens are ravaged, one is struck by a fundamental transformation: In the period 1940 through 1963, Detroit was the greatest manufacturing city in the world, unmatched in real physical productivity. But during the period 1964-2004, Detroit became synonymous with blight and decay beyond imagination."
"Following the late 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Wall Street-City of London financier oligarchy moved to impose a post-industrial society policy upon the United States, the policy of the Anglo-Dutch system. This policy deliberately withered manufacturing, agriculture, and infrastructural production, while building a gigantic speculative bubble, which has sucked more of the life blood out of the underlying physical economy, thus imperiling human existence. As a result, the 1964-2004 trajectory transformed America from a producer society, to a consumer society in imitation of the model of Imperial Rome, based on bread and circuses and the looting of foreign nations through slave-labor."
"As shocking as the story of Detroit is, one must realize that its trajectory is the story of every industrial city, and that of the United States itself. At one time America's most productive city, and having been built itself around manufacturing, Detroit necessarily felt the collapse of manufacturing more intensely than any other city; its consequences there have been more extreme.

However, this process that is infolding in Detroit is occurring in the formerly manufacturing, sister cities of Detroit: Buffalo, New York; Chicago, Illinois; St. Louis, Missouri; Cleveland, Ohio; and Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But Detroit and the industrial belt represent the picture of America as a whole in the immediate future. The idea that the United States can escape the fate of Detroit by "diversifying" into services, represents the same post-industrial thinking that created the crisis in the first place."

the entire article

[edit on 21-7-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 12:19 PM
No country or power has ever lasted...sooner or later it, falls. What was once down, rises above and what was once above falls below. This is true whether it is a city, a country.......what ever. I see America, and it's cities, falling....sad, but in my eyes anyway, true.

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 12:27 PM
I suggest you read the article.

The author is saying that the decline of our country is an orchestrated series of events. Not the gradual, accidental decline we usually speak of.

I always said that America peaked on November 21, 1963 and began its decline ith the Assassination of JFK. The author says that this is INDEED what hapapened.
Draw your own conclusions.

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:24 PM
Anyone from Detroit can argue this fact with you. One of the reasons Detroit is a festering hole, is because of the housing scams of the late 70's and throughout the 80's. As Detroit became more 'desegragated', fiesty realtors would move in the most loud and obnoxious families into the vacant houses. This would of course lead to 'white flight'. But, unaware that the realtors and City Housing Inspectors were in cahoots, they found they could not sell their houses, do to alleged 'much needed repairs'. The realtor would then approach the home owner, and offer to buy the house at a dirt cheap price, which the owner of course would accept. With most of its tax base scurrying into the 'burbs, Detroit had less and less revenue to work with. Less money=less city repairs=one big stink hole of a city.

No wonder an aquiantance of mine tried to sell me his 3-story, 2 bathroom on Livernois Ave., in Detroit, for only $3000.00. That's it. That's all it was worth. That same house here in Chicago would be upwards of $270,000.

Detroit caused it's own problems. They are on the verge of bankruptcy. Their mechamics at DDOT(Detroit Dept. of Transportation, on Mack ave.), were making in the area of $100,000 a year. This because of the overtime they were getting. And there are still over 400 buses sitting out in the parking lot at DDOT, waiting for repairs. The City of Detroit purchased 10's of natural gas street trollies, but didn't have the facility built to work on them. As they started breaking down, they sat in the yard for over 2 years. We rebuild the engines for the buses in Detroit. They cost around $22,000 each. We rebuild about 4 or 5 a month. When we unload the truck, the previous engines that we delivered months and months ago are still sitting there, waiting to be installed. Detroit is now having their buses towed to us, to have the engines pulled, and the rebuilt engines installed. This caused a scene with the mechanics up in Detroit. The same guys making $100,000 a year, but who were so backlogged (laziness?), they couldn't keep up.

I used to get purchase orders from DDOT for engine and transmission parts. An order can consist of $50,000 in parts, and I did plenty of them. These same parts are still sitting there, on the floor, at DDOT. They are now looking for a buyer for them, because they purchased too many. We have open invoices from the City of Detroit, dating to over 3 years old, that have yet to be paid. The just don't have the money to pay at the moment.

Ever been down I94 in Detroit? That makes the expressways in Chicago look golden.

The City of Detroit brought all these problems down on themselves. There is no 'outside' conspracy here.

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 07:16 PM
I don't buy Detroit brought it ALL on itself. I grew up in Detroit and worked in Detroit for more than 30 years.
These changes started at least that far back, and I'd say probably before the riots. Detroit is a product of its history.

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 07:28 PM
Very nice DTOM! All I can say is, The chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 07:30 PM
Well, Spttin, you said a mouthful..and thanks

What is important here is that this is been going on for generations...there is no easy or quick fix, if it can be fixed at all.
And of course it is important to note that Detroit is only the FIRST domino to fall. It will not be the last

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:01 AM
hmmm...Detroit is far behind in where it should be as far as development, employment and proper housing. This decline did start well before the riots, a self serving mayor did not help the city. The biggest hit to Detroit is manufacturing. When automotive and manufacturing jobs leave, then Detroit and its suburbs are hit hard. Just wanted to bring up a point come no one has stated anything about the new development? GM has now moved its headquarters to Downtown, as well as other companies. 2 new stadiums are now in the city, one of which will host the superbowl. Casino's are thriving, and will have permanent homes soon. The Techno festival draws people from all over the world yearly, along with the biggest Auto Show in North America. Numerous new, upscale housing developments are well along their way, and are looking great. Many new resturants are popping up. The boardwalk is under development. It will take years for the city to overcome what it has been through, but there is hope. As avid site viewers here, we know that we should never take all stories as the gospel. There is usually more to the story. Now personally I am not saying all is great in Detroit. Heck, there are way too many problems, and violence can be frightening, but the amount of people that are living in, and visiting Detroit that do not experience any problem is quite high. Personally I do not live in Detroit at this time, as the quality of education needs to improve, and although I may find a great historic home, or new home to buy, I don't have the great conveniences that I need nearby. When that changes, I would happily go back to live. I do frequent the city and support local business there. That is the only way to help keep them alive. Anyway...just my 2 cents for what they are worth!

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 03:11 PM
Manufacturing jobs have been leavbing the city for 40 years or more. Even "empowerment" zones have not had companies flocking to Detroit. Compuserve came to Detroit and built Campus Marshes. where the Hard Rock lives. But, I believe they got huge tax concessions and suffered when the tech bubble burst.
The 2 stadii bring in people, but two bloks away is ugly blight and abandoned homes and office space.
GM didn't move into Detroit, though. They moved from the New Center area, which is suffered itself from lack of tenants.
The State of MIchigan and Detroit Publich School moved into the New Center area. Wayne State University took over the building that housed the Schools. WSU is, in fact, growing by leaps and bounds as it gobbles up land and becomes bigger and bigger.
My only hope is they take over the floundering Detroit Public Library which has plans to charge non-residents $100. a year to USE its special collections, beginning August 1, 2004. (that in itself may be unconstitutional and a poor way to mend the fences between Detroit and its suburbs).
The Auto Show struggles to remain in a city that cannot enlarge it's convention center.
I see the new husing and it does not impress me. What good is it to have housing when conveniences are a half hour or more away. Security is also an issue.
Many restaurants are popping up? How many have closed? The Greektown Casino has ruined Greektown. One belly dance club is now a strip club---real progress, huh? The casinos are no where near having permanent sites, unless you think as I do that they are already in their permanent locations.
The mayor is in waaaaaay over his head.
The amount owed the city in Property Taxes and unpaid water bills is horrendous. The suburbs subsidize these unpaid water bills with anuual water rate hikes.

Yeah, there is more to the story, and I fear it is far worse than I have shown. I saw nothing in that story that was untrue. Please, take off your blinders.
Detroit may be the firs to die, but it will not be the last. What happened here is beginning to happen in other industrialized cities.

[edit on 22-7-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 03:18 PM
I dont know how well you know of Gary Indiana, but it was the same way. It was the place to go 50 years ago. People from chicago would go there to party and what not. When the steel plants slowed so did the city, it turned to the murder capital of the world for like 5 straight years in the early 90s.

It is all hood down there. Its intresting to see the way things are, you will have one nice street( for the area anyway) ant the next one over can have ten houses burnt down.

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 03:28 PM
I was born and raised in Cleveland, OH... back at a time when the population of the city itself was over 1 million people. I spent 7 years working for a company whose HQ was located in Detroit and spent 1 week of every month there for 7 years. My wife grew up in Buffalo and I was educated I just outside of Pittsburgh, PA... so I think I'm slightly qualified to discuss the decline of the manufacturing belt as it became the rust belt.

I think that DontTreadonMe is right, 1963 marked the apex of America's great climb as a super-power. The shift from a "production society" into a "consumer society" began the great downfall and it is affecting all of us. Cleveland's current population stands at around 400,000 and it is declining every single year. We have lost 27 Fortune 500 HQs over the last 15 years... Rubbermaid, Little Tikes, Sealy, Cole National, British Petrolem, GE Lighting etc... To add insult to injury, our manufacturing job base has dropped by a whopping 60% during that same period and more plant closings are in sight. In fact, unemployment in industrialized cities remains, on the average, twice that of the national average which is 5.6%. Cleveland's unemployment rate is just barely under 11%.

The long and short of it is that we are in trouble. When a country loses it's ability to produce goods, it loses it's ability to sustain itself. We have become far too dependent upon third-world labor which is likely to go away as their standard of living increases. What then? The cost of goods increases while the number of jobs decreases. I'm sure you're starting to get a real picture on the math here, and it's just not good.

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 03:29 PM
Detroit is hardly a sign of the decline of America. its a sign of a change in America.

We have been transforming from industrial to informational for the last 40-50 years. In the early 20th century money flowed into the country as europe purchased all our manufactured war goods. But at teh same time, durring WW2 information began to play a big role.

What does America make now? Well the US dominates entertainment and churns out a tons of education. People from all over the world come to the states, go to college, then leave again. Additionally the US still has some manufacturing and agriculture.

The problem isn't a global conspiracy to ruin the US but rather what to do with all the people who lived off manufacturing. While many people and cities thrive on global trade of technology and information there is a working class with no more assembly line to work on. This is why so many of the grunts in military uniform are from detroit and other cities that didn't adjust with the rest of the country. Holding a gun is on par with running large manufacturing machines. It takes training, and skill, and you could lose life or limbs but you don't need lots of money to get there.

The US is changing. Just as Rome changed so often and so drastically. Change can just leave people and places behind.

posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 04:25 PM

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
It is all hood down there. Its intresting to see the way things are, you will have one nice street( for the area anyway) ant the next one over can have ten houses burnt down.

I think this photgraph may exemplify that which you speak of.

Gary neighborhood 1
Gary neighborhood 2

Some examples from Detroit:

Eastside of Detroit 1
Eastside of Detroit 2

Have some fun with the zoom level and panning functions.

Notice all the empty lots. They use to be homes.

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