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Originally posted by SprocketUK
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread676207/pg31#pid10842061]post by again with the conditions. All sorts of people could have conditions. Atheists not wanting people to spend money on going to church, racists not wanting black people to get money, anti racists not wanting nazis to get it.
If social security is gonna come with all these conditions, then no one will be eligible and it'll just turn into a tax break for people who won't need it, and what's gonna happen to someone who tests positive? Are they just going to quietly starve to death? Hell no, they are going to be forced into crime, and how much will that cost society? It would be cheaper to let them smoke Cuban cigars.
Originally posted by ripcontrol
reply to post by StigShen
It could be done cheaply, very cheaply... most of the ones who receive benefits already also have doctors and doctors vists...
Originally posted by StigShen
Originally posted by Sagittarian69
reply to post by StigShen
If the street you are walking down is regulated by an agency or private business then they have the right to require the test. Otherwise your question is plainly silly.
I do agree that many people do not want to ask the government for anything. What is wrong with making sure that those who are manipulating the system do not take away funds that will help those in need?
One more note, the government shouldn't have to take care of deadbeats. What obligations include those that would take advantage of the current systems? And grovel to the likes of me? Really?
edit on 18-3-2011 by Sagittarian69 because: (no reason given)
Stop putting the cart in front of the horse.
Not sure what you mean? Put the horse back in front for me._javascript:icon('')
Are there people who abuse the system? Sure.
We agree here.
Does that mean because there are tax cheats that you should be audited without cause. Does that mean because there are drug dealers, you should have your house searched without a warrant?
People get audited for no reason all the time. If I was a suspected drug dealer then search but who said without a warrant? Doesn't fit this scenario.
Does that mean that every student who gets a loan or a grant should be drug tested?
Originally posted by macman
Again, how is this even an issue?
When you are on the Govt handout, you are at the whims of the Govt.
If you are to receive money from taxes, then why would anyone be surprised when asked to do submit to a drug test?
What do people have to hide?
If the money is truly important, then there should be no fuss from those receiving.
Otherwise, stop taking the money. Stop expecting something for nothing, with no strings attached when it is for nothing.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Originally posted by macman
Again, how is this even an issue?
When you are on the Govt handout, you are at the whims of the Govt.
If you are to receive money from taxes, then why would anyone be surprised when asked to do submit to a drug test?
What do people have to hide?
If the money is truly important, then there should be no fuss from those receiving.
Otherwise, stop taking the money. Stop expecting something for nothing, with no strings attached when it is for nothing.
Hmm let me see, could it be that Citizens of the USA have the right to liberty or that everyone is equal under the law.
These people have not joined the Armed Forces so they have not signed away their rights as individuals.
Isolating people on welfare for " special " treatment is just bullying people who are already disenfranchised.
Lastly, it is not you that is paying the welfare for these people, your taxes are paying the interest on your ridiculous debt, both public and private.
The rest of the world has been paying for your lifestyle since 1973, if you don't like the money going to those less fortunate than you, tough, it's not your money.
Maybe the Chinese, Japanese and UK should demand the whole of the USA take a drug test or face a sell-off of worthless treasury bonds, or worse an end to the Dollar World Currency status, which incidentally provides the USA with free or very cheap imports.
You are ALL on benefits, you just don't read or pay attention.
Cosmic...
Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by macman
there is nothing wrong with asking for drug tests, but how do you enforce it, what method do you use that people cannot cheat on, are the unemployed now property of a governement? and is it worth paying extra taxes to test 2-3 million people for the sake of catching 20,000 people.
is it cost effective? is it worth spending 6 million to save 1 million?
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Cosmic4life
You know, to debate the whole "It's not your money from taxes" crap is old and really has no stance within the realm of US Welfare.
If (Going on a ledge), if the Govt had the right to demand citizens in general in submitting to drug tests, I would not worry. I don't use drugs.
When you enlist to the military, become a cop, start a new job, start at a Govt agency, you submit to a drug test. Welfare money is from the Govt. They control the purse.
Don't take welfare money, then you wont have to submit to a drug test.