La Bruzzo wants to drug test welfare recepients...

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by larrydavid

 

Where did I say I got help?

I hated it so much, I did what was necessary. Worked 80 hour weeks at a crap job until I found something better.

Where can I find such a job? Even the crap jobs are filled by 20-somethings. Nothing for a little old lady, I tell you what!

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


This isn't about a constitution or a government this about common humanity. If a government loses its humanity than any country will fall. Look at many countries in Africa is that what you want for your country?
People living in make shift homes that are easily destoryed. People searching all day long for food? We do have some of that now but the social programs are designed to step in and keep that from happening to all people in the country.
If the country was set up according to you we would all be living in the streets except for the elite 1%. BY having social welfare programs this allows people to keep a basic standard of living.

reply to post by dreamseeker


Well if it makes you feel any better, your opinions are pretty much meaningless to me.

Originally posted by EternalChef
This is pretty much going through.
I talked to my uncle this past weekend who
works in Tallahassee and he told me they will be voting on these kinds of things
this quarter. so expect it soon.
There is also talk of not only testing those on welfare but possibly moving to other
govt. assisted benefit programs.

Of course it's going to go through. It's a huge cash-cow for the government. They will rip off the taxpayer for this useless service.

The only drug you can really test for is pot. Anything else is out of your system in 24-72 hours.

So not only will tax dollars be going to cover the costs of hundreds of thousands of drug tests every month, but welfare will have to hire hundreds, maybe thousands of new people just to process all the paperwork it will generate.

If you did some digging, I would be willing to bet that you would find the lobbyists behind this are the private companies who do drug testing,

reply to post by dreamseeker


lol this isn't about the Constitution?

Are you sure you have a degree?

You have just rendered yourself irrelevant, and will be ignored from this point forward.

Enjoy your 15k per year .

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


That just shows how self-centered you are. I kept digging and asking questions to help you show a shred of humanity for your fellow human being. Let me guess you are under 30? I am 36 and have experienced the grittiness of life and the goodness of life.

reply to post by Amaterasu


You're right, most crap jobs are filled by the younger people because they have a higher tolerance for crap jobs than those who have more experience.

Walmart greeter seems like a crap job thats filled by the elderly though

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


I think right now most people would take a crap job!

Originally posted by StigShen

If you did some digging, I would be willing to bet that you would find the lobbyists behind this are the private companies who do drug testing,

I think you're wrong... You'd ALSO find "treatment" facilities behind this.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne


Actually, general welfare is the term. As in welfare of the nation, not the individual.

Unless you think you know more about it than the founding fathers did, you are simply wrong.

And if they were doing their job providing for the welfare of the nation, there wouldn't be one in seven Americans trying to survive on less than ten grand a year requiring direct welfare.

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by larrydavid

 

Where did I say I got help?

I hated it so much, I did what was necessary. Worked 80 hour weeks at a crap job until I found something better.

You say you slept in your truck?

Well I hate to tell you this,but the land/property that you parked your truck on belonged to someone. It was not yours.

Therefor you took help from someone in your time of need by parking your vehicle on their property.

reply to post by HaveAnotherOne


Yes I have quite a huge loan. Right now you by your statements you are afriad that I might be right. This is why you are attacking my education and wisedom. I am just saying common sense stuff this has little to do with my degree. This is about basic humanity.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by HaveAnotherOne

 

This isn't about a constitution or a government this about common humanity. If a government loses its humanity than any country will fall. Look at many countries in Africa is that what you want for your country?
People living in make shift homes that are easily destoryed. People searching all day long for food? We do have some of that now but the social programs are designed to step in and keep that from happening to all people in the country.
If the country was set up according to you we would all be living in the streets except for the elite 1%. BY having social welfare programs this allows people to keep a basic standard of living.

We had the New Deal under FDR, now we have the New New Deal under Obamacare.We have Social Security and Medicare, food stamps, welfare, Section 8 Housing, free education for illegals and the children of illegals. How far do you want us to go? Sounds like you are opting for a completely Socialist Utopia there. It sounds lovely and caring but is even according to their own websites and those of the Communist Party merely a stepping stone to an all out Communist society. Is that what you want? Soviet style breadlines? KGB style politburo? Snooping in every aspect of our lives? We are halfway there now.

And by the way, do you want us to trash the US Constitution to usher in your shiny new Utopia?

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

You're right, most crap jobs are filled by the younger people because they have a higher tolerance for crap jobs than those who have more experience.

Walmart greeter seems like a crap job thats filled by the elderly though

Yeah - and there are a lot of elderly competing for it these days.

Of course, WalMart's personnel policies are wretched, their business practices are hideous, and they offer virtually none of their employees benefits... I think that is the crappiest of crap jobs out there - or not out there because they're already filled.

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by StigShen

 

No offense intended, but you are full of fecal matter.

Slept in the back of my truck for a little more than a month and a half, in the summer of 2007. In Phoenix.

Making ridiculous assumptions about people makes you look like a fool.

Pot calls kettle black.

So tell me hotrod. How did you wind up in that truck? How did you get out of that truck?

reply to post by StigShen


Study the Constitution and the writings of the founding fathers more.

Get back to me when you have a clue as to what you are talking about. You're lagging far behind right now.

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined . . . to be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce." - James Madison, Federalist 45

This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist 83

reply to post by StigShen


I agree the whole system is really broken down. I would rather have the help then not have it though. The system was designed to help people get on their feet. Right now unforunately because of our corrupt government people have to depend on that. It is a very complex mess right now. I am just glad I am not the current president or in the government boy what a mess I would have to straighten.
I feel bad for the next generations inheirting all our problems.
We have simply made life too complex and that is why everything has to balance a certian way to work out.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by jplaysguitar
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

maybe welfare could come in the form of debit card(no cash sorta thing) that would stop ppl from abuseing it on illegal drugs right ther. honestly just cuas some poor indavidal tests positive dose not mean thay paid for drugs. party situation could arise and someone offered it to them

Both WIC and food stamps (the largest "welfare" programs) do this. There are no "cash handouts." Of course, there are also no Cadillac-driving "welfare queens" raking in tens of thousands of dollars by cranking out babies, but just try convincing some quarters of this.

It's just another way to say "uppity"

Just to add my 2 cents. I worked at Rouses (grocery store, for those not in Louisiana) in customer service. People would come in buy food with there Louisiana Purchase cards (food stamp card) then come back a little later return some "no good" food and then turn around and buy booze with it.i know alcohol is legal and not a so called drug but it's not a necessity like food is and they should NOT be able to do that. Luckily Rouse's caught on pretty quickly and now if you buy food with food stamps and want to return food their card gets credited and no cash is given.
I'm all for drug testing welfare receivers. I don't know about the other 49 states but in Louisiana, Especially NOLA people think of welfare as a free ride. Don't believe me? Come to New Orleans. I'll show you. But not at night, I stay far away from that city after dark....you run the risk of getting shot.

Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

You're right, most crap jobs are filled by the younger people because they have a higher tolerance for crap jobs than those who have more experience.

Walmart greeter seems like a crap job thats filled by the elderly though

So you just shot yourself in the foot with circular logic. Here is your fail, thanks for playing.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The problem is a Utopia is a fallacy! There is NO utopia. Please read this sentence a few times. There are only better systems and evolving systems. We have a lot of problems to fix but we sure can't scarfice our poor,needy,disabled and elderly.
I am open to any ideas you might have on a better system. I am not saying our current system is great but I am saying we can't just end it without SEVERE concequences.