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Oh please. I don't even give these people the time of day. They have the nerve to say "oh I can't believe bible thumpers are on here!" What?!! I can't
believe atheist are on here of all people!! The biggest skeptics and unbelievers in the supernatural are on a conspiracy site where everyday there is
a UFO/angel/demon/chemtrail report?! Really?! Hypocrites I tell you. The biggest ones on Earth!
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reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:11 PM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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You moron. I wasn't even talking to Jax!! I was adressing someone else who attacked what I believe in first! That's how the sparks start!!
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Yep, there is that faux compassion in full view, all of which has nothing at all to do with the topic of this thread. Thumping a bible in a thread about news agencies is hardly a sign of intelligence.
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:23 PM by Target Earth
reply to post by ag893
There are a lot of Christians on this site, a lot more then the "Elite Think" I don't attack others for their beliefs, but Christians are under fire, all the time, It really does get old, I think the Christian community doesn't seem as strong, because most of us have better things to do, then grip about Christians on the internet... all day long.
There are a lot of Christians on this site, a lot more then the "Elite Think" I don't attack others for their beliefs, but Christians are under fire, all the time, It really does get old, I think the Christian community doesn't seem as strong, because most of us have better things to do, then grip about Christians on the internet... all day long.
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:24 PM by Skippy1138
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Wow-are you really that blind that you don't think NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN,MSNBC,NPR,Huffington Post,NY Times,Boston Globe, on and on and on and on don't have their Liberal agendas?? Really?
Wow-are you really that blind that you don't think NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN,MSNBC,NPR,Huffington Post,NY Times,Boston Globe, on and on and on and on don't have their Liberal agendas?? Really?
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:43 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by DevilJin
...None of those are actually news sources. Fox and the NYTimes are 100% editorial, and the Huffington Post is... Well, take all the dumbest things you see posted here on ATS in a day, put them on a single website, and you've got HuffPo.
If you want to get actual news, you have to go outside US sources; We've abandoned any variety of journalistic integrity in favor of advertising dollars and "EXXXTREME" programming.
...None of those are actually news sources. Fox and the NYTimes are 100% editorial, and the Huffington Post is... Well, take all the dumbest things you see posted here on ATS in a day, put them on a single website, and you've got HuffPo.
If you want to get actual news, you have to go outside US sources; We've abandoned any variety of journalistic integrity in favor of advertising dollars and "EXXXTREME" programming.
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:49 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Skippy1138
No. These outlets are only "liberal" if your definition of "liberal" is dramatically skewed. All of them are corporatist outlets that take their fuel from the right-wing trend. Even NPR has developed a considerable habit of only having Republicans on to present a single side of a given story, and they often get the same advertisers that Limbaugh runs.
The trick is, they're not as extremely swamped in it as FOX, they don't scream into your face, so FOX turns this into its competitors being liberal dishrags. And the Fox Viewers believe it, 'cause, well, Fox is their Jesus-in-a-Box, I guess.
You're not going to find "liberal" media outlets in the national discourse, Skippy. They tend to not have the massive corporate funding that allows for such distribution
No. These outlets are only "liberal" if your definition of "liberal" is dramatically skewed. All of them are corporatist outlets that take their fuel from the right-wing trend. Even NPR has developed a considerable habit of only having Republicans on to present a single side of a given story, and they often get the same advertisers that Limbaugh runs.
The trick is, they're not as extremely swamped in it as FOX, they don't scream into your face, so FOX turns this into its competitors being liberal dishrags. And the Fox Viewers believe it, 'cause, well, Fox is their Jesus-in-a-Box, I guess.
You're not going to find "liberal" media outlets in the national discourse, Skippy. They tend to not have the massive corporate funding that allows for such distribution
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:57 PM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Journalistic integrity is a fairy tale told to adults who prefer to remain naive little children. Walter Cronkite was touted as the "most trusted man in America" as if his journalistic integrity was sound, but when reporting on the Tet Offensive he allowed his own personal bias to enter into the reporting and subsequently made it appear as if the United States military succumbed to the Viet Cong during the Tet Offensive, but plenty of historical accounts tell a much different story.
Woodstein -- Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein - brought down a President largely based on an unnamed source, which in turn became the standard practice of journalism, to not name the actual sources being used to report the facts. While Nixon obviously deserved what he got in that Watergate scandal, the dubious practice of using unnamed sources as a legitimate form of investigative journalism is hardly integrity. In fact, the practice condones the government using legislation to criminalize whistle blowers in the name of "national security" more than it does anything else.
I do not offer these observations as criticisms, I only offer them to question the notion that "journalistic integrity" should be expected from news sources. It is a naive expectation, and at best all people will get is the appearance of integrity, and at worst the people will come to believe that the news source can be trusted because of a fairy told about "integrity".
If you want to get actual news, you have to go outside US sources; We've abandoned any variety of journalistic integrity in favor of advertising dollars and "EXXXTREME" programming.
Journalistic integrity is a fairy tale told to adults who prefer to remain naive little children. Walter Cronkite was touted as the "most trusted man in America" as if his journalistic integrity was sound, but when reporting on the Tet Offensive he allowed his own personal bias to enter into the reporting and subsequently made it appear as if the United States military succumbed to the Viet Cong during the Tet Offensive, but plenty of historical accounts tell a much different story.
Woodstein -- Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein - brought down a President largely based on an unnamed source, which in turn became the standard practice of journalism, to not name the actual sources being used to report the facts. While Nixon obviously deserved what he got in that Watergate scandal, the dubious practice of using unnamed sources as a legitimate form of investigative journalism is hardly integrity. In fact, the practice condones the government using legislation to criminalize whistle blowers in the name of "national security" more than it does anything else.
I do not offer these observations as criticisms, I only offer them to question the notion that "journalistic integrity" should be expected from news sources. It is a naive expectation, and at best all people will get is the appearance of integrity, and at worst the people will come to believe that the news source can be trusted because of a fairy told about "integrity".
reply posted on 17-3-2011 @ 11:58 PM by 573v0
Funny as they may appear, they ARE the ONLY outlet (or at least Shepard Smith) reporting the closet version of what is really going on in Japan and
how it could possibly affect ordinary citizens on US soil in my opinion...
Just my $ .02.
www.youtube.com...
Here he is slamming his OWN news station on their reporting of the situation in the gulf!
www.youtube.com...
Just my $ .02.
www.youtube.com...
Here he is slamming his OWN news station on their reporting of the situation in the gulf!
www.youtube.com...
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good than harm...
reply posted on 18-3-2011 @ 12:39 AM by 2manyquestions
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Bare with me, this does eventually connect to the topic. I was watching the documentary called "Michael Moore Hates America", and in this documentary Michael Wilson interviews a few people who stand outside an auditorium, waiting to hear Michael Moore speak. When he brings to their attention that some of Michael Moore's movies contain outright lies and he asks whether they would reconsider trusting Moore, some of these people responded that they didn't care whether the facts in his movies were true or not, because they considered the picture as a whole, true.
These people were willing to ignore the fibs, because they believed that Moore's message as a whole was the truth. It may be this same mentality that keeps Fox News watchers watching. They don't care whether Fox News presented a few lies, because they believe that despite these fibs the opposing political party is as rotten as Fox News presents them to be. Just a thought.
Bare with me, this does eventually connect to the topic. I was watching the documentary called "Michael Moore Hates America", and in this documentary Michael Wilson interviews a few people who stand outside an auditorium, waiting to hear Michael Moore speak. When he brings to their attention that some of Michael Moore's movies contain outright lies and he asks whether they would reconsider trusting Moore, some of these people responded that they didn't care whether the facts in his movies were true or not, because they considered the picture as a whole, true.
These people were willing to ignore the fibs, because they believed that Moore's message as a whole was the truth. It may be this same mentality that keeps Fox News watchers watching. They don't care whether Fox News presented a few lies, because they believe that despite these fibs the opposing political party is as rotten as Fox News presents them to be. Just a thought.
reply posted on 18-3-2011 @ 01:28 AM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
If you expect perfection, you're doomed to despair.
Draw whatever criticisms you like. I'm sure Conkite had his biases and opinions - everyone does. The issue isn't whether he, or other journalists of the "old school" achieved robotic perfection and suffered no bias, opinion, or viewpoint, but whether or not he did a better job than oh say, Wolf Blitzer. Tom Brokaw of 1986 did a far better job conveying the news as an anchor than Tom Brokaw of 2010 does.
Standards have slipped HUGELY in America, and you have to go outside our borders to find better good stuff. I can go to CNN to get a three-paragraph nothing about the crisis at the Fukushima reactor from a single uncredited source... or I can go to al-Jazeera and get a big, thick, very informative article from multiple credited sources.
Think of what I'm saying this way; the US media is cotton candy - it comes in a wide variety of shapes and colors, but it's still just worthless sugary fluff. Outside the US you find meat and potatoes, which - even if you hate meat and potatoes - you can still admit is more substantive than cotton candy.
If you expect perfection, you're doomed to despair.
Draw whatever criticisms you like. I'm sure Conkite had his biases and opinions - everyone does. The issue isn't whether he, or other journalists of the "old school" achieved robotic perfection and suffered no bias, opinion, or viewpoint, but whether or not he did a better job than oh say, Wolf Blitzer. Tom Brokaw of 1986 did a far better job conveying the news as an anchor than Tom Brokaw of 2010 does.
Standards have slipped HUGELY in America, and you have to go outside our borders to find better good stuff. I can go to CNN to get a three-paragraph nothing about the crisis at the Fukushima reactor from a single uncredited source... or I can go to al-Jazeera and get a big, thick, very informative article from multiple credited sources.
Think of what I'm saying this way; the US media is cotton candy - it comes in a wide variety of shapes and colors, but it's still just worthless sugary fluff. Outside the US you find meat and potatoes, which - even if you hate meat and potatoes - you can still admit is more substantive than cotton candy.
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