Originally posted by faceoff85
reply to post by Vizzle
Since the sentence of your question is a biblical scripture you should use the bible to answer it. God (YHWH) never said he was the only god, in fact
he told the israelites time and again to steer clear of pagan worship, since Jehovah is a jealous god. For example Jehovah mentioned the existence of
a god called Baäl. However the bible talks of no more then 1 Almighty god, being Jehovah.
I think the word God is nothing more then a title to signify status. So pretty much anyone and anything can be or become godlike if there are those
willing to worship
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The word "God" actually means "the greatest good" if you trace the etymology of the word. And you are correct about there being the one Almighty God
in the Bible but it also being used as a title of sorts. I'm going to try to demonstrate that here.
But Vizzle is right as well.... there is the use of the word "US" which is critical when talking about this. If the word of God was written as it was
spoken, and God used the word "us", it can't be chalked up to a mere slip of tongue. He would have been referring to more than one God, and whether or
not the additional entity that is being referred to in the plural sense of the word "US" is another God that is equal to Jehovah or below him is
irrelevant in this context because it is complete conjecture with no written record to go by. The fact is, the word US is used, so one must ask why?
When asking why, we also have to wonder WHO else is included in "us"?
However, since there is speak of other "Gods" in the Old Testament, even though Jehovah says not to follow the Pagan beliefs since it refers to more
than one God, it would be pure ignorance to not acknowledge previous pantheons from the cultures that predated Genesis. Why would Jehovah be a jealous
God? Jealous of what? What does a benevolent being, the Creator of all that is, need or care about one creature on one planet, praying to him and
giving only HIM their praise??? That makes ZERO sense to anyone with a shred of logic in their brain. BUT.... if you think of there being multiple
Gods, or entities that have the same abilities that are god-like or beyond humans, then anyone with these abilities could very well be considered a
"God", in which case, you could have rivalry between them. The previous pantheons spoken of by the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Akkadians... they
are the same, with different variations of the words and names of characters to fit with each culture's language at the time. As things were
translated over and over, and different names were used, we start to lose a sense of the original story. Some of these stories have been preserved in
the Bible, but only those that have served a purpose to people who want to control others through the use of religion. The REAL stories, the ones that
matter such as the ones in the book of Enoch or the Dead Sea Scrolls, were intentionally left out because they spoke the truth.
When we talk about Sumerian and Mesopotamian cultures during those times, the stories of Enki and Enlil are more popular because these were the two
Gods that lived amongst the people and had the greatest influences over them. Those that are more astute readers of Sumerian history will know that
Anu was the Father of Enlil and Enki and had the ultimate say in earthly affairs. The stories tell of him being overthrown eventually by Enlil, but it
was Anu that was supposedly the "king" of the gods of Sumerian times. When you talk of Jehovah being jealous of other Gods and making a commandment (a
rule on high) that nobody should worship anyone but Jehovah, who does this sound like in the Sumerian pantheon? Again, anyone familiar with these
stories will immediately think of Enlil and his angst for humans. The stories of Enki tell of the God that we all think of... loving, benevolent,
kind, wise with a fondness for humans. Supposedly, Enki is Noah's half-god Father according to the Sumerian version of Noah (Ziusudra), which is why
Noah/Ziusudra was warned about the coming flood. Enki was also represented as a SERPENT, which has been a symbol for medicine and human DNA. It was
ENKI that was being referred to in the Bible. Enlil was like a tyrant, the people feared him. He would punish those who didn't follow and him and Enki
fought over this a lot, eventually leading to Enlil deciding to wipe out all of Enki's beautiful creations (humans) with a flood. This is where the
biblical flood comes into the picture.
Here are some things to consider.... The Sumerians and other cultures of Mesopotamia, appear to have developed advanced civilizations from basically
nothing. Music, art, law, medicine, writing all seemed to have "appeared" at once, not over time, which is contrary to all other historical
development of cultures around the world. Many scholars admit off the record that Egypt and prior cultures must have had a "third party" involved in
their advancement. These cultures wrote down EVERYTHING they saw and did, and not in the form of myths. They were very specific about how the Gods
dressed, what they slept on, where they came from, how they behaved (similar to humans oddly enough), how they ate, when they ate, etc.... the concept
of a myth was not developed during those times, so we have to assume that a lot of what they wrote about was REAL, and if this assumption is made, we
must consider it's implications for future generations and religions.
Today, we still have tribes of people that throw arrows at planes and helicopters and think they are magic and "gods". Some of these tribes have
thought that their "God" was returning when they saw a white man for the first time since their God left. It happened to the Aztecs when the
conquistadors savagely murdered thousands of them; the Atecs mistook them for their "God". The parts of the world today that are advanced see these
tribes as "ancient" or "way behind" and we don't really think of ourselves as "advanced" but we know we are more advanced than them for instance. If
you wanted to, you could land in one of these villages and easily convince them that you are a "God" right now.... why would it be any different 7000
years ago? Why COULDN'T there have been a highly advanced race of HUMANS, that had technology and abilities beyond the "natives" of the other
countries at the time? We hear about Atlantis a lot... we also hear stories about the Atlanteans influencing early cultures.... why couldn't Enlil,
Enki, Anu or Jehovah been Atlanteans that fled their country during a war? A war that ended in a catastrophe of BIBLICAL proportions? Why is it hard
to believe that an advanced race of people may have wanted to "start over" by using the "natives" as a starting point for a new civilization that
would be free from the problems that plagued and eventually doomed their people? Why wouldn't the natives be bedazzled by their abilities and wisdom
and refer to them as their "Gods"? There is enough evidence to strongly support this idea, and as I mentioned before, you will find many scholars in
the fields of Egyptology and ancient history that will also support it but not in a way that will put their reputations and livelihood on the line.
For that matter, you could take it one step further and say that these "Gods" were alien, mostly because of their long life spans, but that's a
different topic. The stories of Atlantis talk of human interaction with non-human beings, but again, different topic and I digress.
This is a great thread, I'm considering starting a new one just to talk about this relationship between all of the religions and the pre-Genesis
pantheon of Gods. Thanks for opening Pandora's box Vizzle!
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