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An ATS member reports from central Tokyo: Part 2

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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>> My 2 cents about the level of danger:
The US has satellites that can detect radiation emissions very accurately -- that's how they track nuclear testing and activity -- this contradicts some of the LOWER estimates from the Japanese government. Other countries do as well. From what I've heard -- the reactors themselves have a high level of radiation. And our naval vessels have backed off from the area and are avoiding the Westerly (I think that is "down wind") point from the reactors. So it sounds like it is safe for now if you are over 100 miles away.

>> However, I'd say that the contradictory information from the government and the power companies is NOT a good sign. It means a certain level of "freak out -- and what do we do now?"

Most of the radiation that you have to worry about (from my sketchy reading), is long-term. The gamma radiation, is VERY dangerous, but that's going to be intense at even the reactor site and is not going to be blowing in the wind -- unless there is a massive explosion hurling material. Even then, it's going to be MOSTLY on the heavy bits, so if you are 100 miles or more away -- no problem (I however, am not a Nuclear Fallout Specialist).

A radioactive plume, however, is a real danger. A Melt-down, means the Uranium pools, and it gets super hot. At 2000 degrees the water breaks up into hydrogen and oxygen and THAT is probably what is causing a lot of the explosions. So perhaps there is at least a PARTIAL melt down.

The Iodine you DON'T have, isn't much of a worry unless you are young, pregnant, or drinking lots of milk. It protects your thyroid mostly.

The Ionizing radiation blown by the wind, can be stopped by a Poncho -- it's just a dust with radiation that is dangerous, but can't break through a sheet of paper (or so I've heard). But the MAIN problem, with this fallout, is it covers grass, and crops and leaks into groundwater. That's why MILK is really a danger when there is fallout -- cows eat the grass and concentrate the ionizing radiation. A filter SHOULD pull it out of water if it's one that can stop lead -- BUT CHECK ON THAT.

So, the IMMEDIATE danger -- other than being within 200 miles of the reactor, is long-term. Even if it blows, panic is more of a threat than the reactor.

LONG TERM is another issue all together. I'm guessing most of the people who were working at the plant are going to get very sick in a week or two. Long term, nobody is going to want to live within 10 miles of that reactor for 300 years.

>> I wish I had good news -- but I'm not even sure what is going on, other than speculating from what we can tell. Behavior wise; with the constant steam and dumping of water and small explosions -- I'm betting that the fuel may have pooled up and is on it's way or has already burned down through the containment vessel. Even if the generators were destroyed by the Tsunami -- what happened to the water pumps? Couldn't a cable be run to plant from a generator a half mile away? Makes me think that the pumps aren't going to be running again.

>> If you are worried about radiation -- and I'm guessing that a geiger counter would be going off SOMEWHERE in Tokyo.

Radioactive fallout is "dust" and can be blocked by a cloth over the face, and clothing or a poncho. I'd read up on how to "shake off the clothes" and get dusted off before you get in the house. Perhaps some sort of "shop vac" at the front door, or taking everything off and showering down with a hose if you have a private back yard.

>> The BIG danger, I think, is the nuclear material melting down to bedrock and getting into the ground water (near the plants). This won't effect Tokyo -- but would be a HUGE issue for the future in the Northern areas of Japan that could be affected.

So, most of the danger is long term, and the difficulty of coping. The immediate area surrounding the plants and down-wind is another matter.

>> Sorry if this has been covered before -- but I think it's important to have a real perspective of the danger.




posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Tarnished Templar
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
 

...Yeah, there's always going to be "one bad apple" but thats not what I saw in this thread. i saw a bunch of idiots repeatedly pile on some stressed out guy who was kind enough to provide free info, nitpicking him to death.. ...


>> I'm not defending the nitpickers at all -- I'm only trying to boost Thunder's spirits a bit by pointing out that there are ALWAYS people who will nip at your heals. The more "freaked out" you are -- the more the dogs seem to like to chase you.

There is NO ESCAPING the nonsense people can spew on the web. I don't know if the "add as rival" switch does the same thing as the old "ignore" switch for a user -- but I suggest that people use it. If everyone is ignoring the barking dog -- it doesn't mean it isn't still going to bark. That's it's nature. If it isn't barking at you, or the mailman, the dog is barking at a tree.

I think if ANYONE here were dropped in Japan now, they'd be helping in any way they could. I don't excuse abusive talk -- I just think that people need to keep in perspective that MANY PEOPLE, are totally removed from the emotions and impact of their comments in a blog. It isn't fully "REAL" to them.

>> But, I think it is also, something any OP should be expected to deal with; people who CHALLENGE your authenticity. It's pretty dumb to think someone would "forge" an identity of someone in Tokyo right now -- but a discussion of anonymous people, does require speculation and questions.

Try not to take anything TOO hard that you read on this or any blog. The moderators do a pretty good job here of keeping it civil -- but we cannot expect babysitting or NOT to get our feelings hurt.

>> And once again; my heart goes out to the people of Japan. If they had to resettle -- I'd be more than happy to have them as my neighbors. Take Arizona if you want -- it's not being used right now.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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My one philosophical thought about some of the weird replies about how someone should respond to the disaster in Japan, is that I think a lot of us are too influenced by the "EMOTION > ACTION > RESPONSE > MORE ACTION AND EMOTION" we see in movies. All the "calm bits of doing nothing or washing the laundry" are removed from Movies as "not dramatic."

>> One of the most vivid memories I have of sleeping beside my dad in the hospital as he was dying of lung cancer, was that I was really pissed and annoyed that the world didn't stop. My dad had calmly worked on some accounting paperwork, and some details for lawyers, to make sure he was taking care of his family -- it was "his way" to show he cared. But I was kind of pissed off at this world mankind has created in the USA, that PAPERWORK and bureaucracy were going to be there, bothering my dad up until his last breath. There was humor, eating, chatting, and a bit of sadness. It was annoyingly banal except for coughing and adjustment of pain medications.

I'm not sure if I've been in a "disaster" -- other than to lose family members, and be in a Hurricane once or twice -- but I've been fortunate enough to NOT have my house destroyed or fear impending doom.

I can't say as I've ever been "in a panic" even though I've been in a car (a few times) during a crash, or a brother falling asleep -- and it's always (for me at least) like the Matrix where time slows down, and I'm oddly annoyed that I cannot change the course of the car as it slowly spins off to the curb.

My son almost died once from some virus that shut down his lungs -- but we got to the emergency room and he healed. I guess that's the closest I've felt to real panic. But I usually, whatever the emotion, grit my teeth and focus on "what can I do?"

Once; A lady in an SUV, got cut off and jerked her wheel and drove her SUV into the concrete median. The SUV flipped and she was thrown out of the car because she had no seatbelt on. My wife screams in my ear as I slow down to where the van is, because she is afraid that on a major interstate we are going to get run over. I turn the car and face the headlights BACK up the road and leave the blinkers on. "what are you doing -- get off the road!" she yells.

"Look, there is a big SUV smoking up ahead, and people are going to see headlights -- they are GOING to stop. If they don't see lights in their way -- they are GOING to run over that lady on the road, and then they'll freak out and cause more accidents." I wave down a few cars as well as I can, and tell them to keep on their blinkers. So, in seconds, there is a line of stopped cars with blinking lights -- NOBODY is going to be running anyone over now.

I pull the parking break and walk over to the ladies body. I knew not to move her -- but I had to know what her condition was. I touched her neck -- it was broken. Her body was warm but cooling. Other than a few open caskets -- this was my first experience with an actual "dead" person. I was sad, thinking about how her life was just going along until that moment when she made a mistake and it was over. She was a pretty lady, young, and well dressed. Soon, a group of people were around us, and the lights of some ambulance on their way. We all grabbed hands and some man started saying a prayer.

This was in the USA. And everyone was considerate, and calm. It is NOT surprising to me, that this was the case. While I think the Japanese are admirable in their cool reactions and teamwork -- I think that a LOT of people in most places of the USA, are going to react as decent human beings. The one BIG difference, is that we have a media that likes to show looting, because that's going to get a lot of people to watch -- it's a STORY. They cut out the hours and hours of people and the miles and miles of places where people are NOT looting during a disaster.


>> IN my case, Panic, would be a 15 minutes to an hour long, tops. Depression, sadness and anger -- well, they can last. But eventually, you sit down, eat a chilly dog, drink a beer -- you live. You deal. That's just the way I'm built. But one day, maybe I'll see my kids get a terrible injury -- and I'll freak. I can't be sure. But hopefully, I won't have people say; "He's too calm -- he doesn't care."

What are you going to accomplish by freaking out? I've had a nebulous sense of impending doom since Bush took office in 2000 -- and it hasn't gone away. Reminds me of the nuclear war fears we had in the 80's -- and in hindsight -- we were perfectly justified, because the nutballs in our military and the warmongers in the USSR almost launched on 5 different occasions.

>> Germany and China have shut down all of the GE Mark I reactors. In the USA, where we have about 35 in service -- they are still churning out electricity and making someone a few bucks. Should I panic? I KNOW that someone who is deficient in judgement, integrity and greedy as hell is going to EVENTUALLY do something (like the BP oil disaster) that is going to threaten a lot of lives in the USA.

Japan has a lot of brave people SACRIFICING their lives to fight the fires at those nuclear reactors.

Hopefully, we will all pitch in and do the right thing -- and LEARN from what Japan is going through. But apparently, there is NOT ENOUGH panic over here that would prompt the right response BEFORE such a situation needs calm people.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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If you are still reading this op ST, I'm not going to give you farewells or the likes, I want to ask you to come back and not weigh heavy on the words of a few.
You have many supporters here, many more than critics and it's not that they don't like you, they may not understand how a crisis, such as an EQ, can affect a person.... I know, I've been through a major EQ myself, talk about a complete mindjob and yes, I, like you, dealt with it in humorous ways, which didn't appeal to everyone at the time.
Extreme situations, can bring out "extremes" in People.

Hang in there ST, ATS is still your one of your Homes, just take your time, concentrate on your own safety, and when all is better..... please report back to us........ that's an order!!


Take care
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by silent thunder

Straw that broke the camel's back. You win. I apologize for offending you, and all the rest of humanity, with my very presence.

Maybe I shouldn't take this $&+) as personally as I do, but its kind of hard to separate emotions from reality at this point.

I'm leaving ATS.

Forever.

Mods, I would respectfully ask you to scrub this thread, and the other one. Please. It has been very painful for me personally.

Bye ATS.
edit on 3/18/11 by silent thunder because: (no reason given)


Credit to you for trying. I've tried a couple of times to get a thread together, but I just don't have it in me at this point. I can barely read through half the japan threads these days. Been close to asking for an account deletion out of disgust on a few occasions, but I don't think they do that here.

Keep your head and stay safe down there.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by silent thunder

Originally posted by ZombieWoof
ST, not cool to accuse me of endangering lives by posting on your thread. Good to know you are able to respond to every post here on ATS at a moments notice.

I think about the well being of everyone in Japan all day, every day. God bless and protect you all!



Straw that broke the camel's back. You win. I apologize for offending you, and all the rest of humanity, with my very presence.

Maybe I shouldn't take this $&+) as personally as I do, but its kind of hard to separate emotions from reality at this point.

I'm leaving ATS.

Forever.

Mods, I would respectfully ask you to scrub this thread, and the other one. Please. It has been very painful for me personally.

Bye ATS.
edit on 3/18/11 by silent thunder because: (no reason given)



alright enough of the fun and games......i lurk here frequently and checkout ats nearly every day, but i rarely if ever post......today i simply CAN'T resist. silent thunder, you agreed to provide a report on the circumstances in japan, no one put a piece to your brain and forced you to do it......so to get upset and leave like a small child whenever someone takes issue with the fact that you aren't bringing forth the information you previously claimed you would, i think is just plain deceitful in my mind. i don't think you've done the job as well from what i've read, i quite frankly have doubts you even are there at this instant, if only i were to analyze your attitude......you have brought virtually nothing to bear upon this thread.....all that you have spouted can basically be looked up on the internet.....and i also find your pictures of what is supposed to be downtown tokyo dubious indeed. it would be helpful if the moderators would check his ip to verify his actual whereabouts so we all may know we aren't gettin' jerked around.

but it's too bad so many on this thread are too busy praising the scant information silent has provided as absolute gospel, while also stroking his substantial ego in the process of this action. obviously he needs the instant gratification....but back on point, you signed up for this spot, so stop crying like an infant when the rapids become a little choppy......we only want the information about the situation in japan THAT YOU YOURSELF PLEDGED TO DELIVER TO US......if you can't do that (or if you aren't present in tokyo in the first place, which would make your task almost impossible) then do close this thread and stop waisting people's time!!!



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
Your attention:

The title of this thread is An ATS member reports from central Tokyo: Part 2.

This is not a debate about other members. This is not a debate about this particular member. The topic is that an ATS member is indeed in Japan and is giving on the ground accounts as they encounter them. Keep in mind that Civility & Decorum are Expected from everyone.


As the OP has stated categorically that he is abandoning this thread we can no longer discuss the original topic so it might be best to close the thread to avoid further squabbling.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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All the grovelling on here is getting really hard to stomach.


In the North of Japan, the elderly in hospitals are being left to die because they do not have enough food, let alone medicines. They don't even have heat. Some of these are in hospitals in the radiation danger zone. Meanwhile we have the OP living it up with Champagne, eating the most expensive beef room service has to offer, and then being chauffered around town to see the sights.

I don't understand what constitutions you all have that can accept these disparities with ease and worse, grovel at the man's feet. How this cannot upset you is beyond me.

The man gloats over having the best of everything in spite of the crisis, while others have nothing - neither food, clean water, heat or a roof over their head; and yet you praise him.
Where the hell is your compassion and common sense?
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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If someone wants to find information on a person in Japan, their best bet is to use the People Finder website setup by Google. japan.person-finder.appspot.com...

reply to post by wayno
 


They have no common sense.
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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And there are Children all over the World starving, everyday

Do you still enjoy your Christmas Turkey?



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Village Idiot
reply to post by wayno
 


And there are Children all over the World starving, everyday

Do you still enjoy your Christmas Turkey?


I hate turkey actually.


This man is right there in the midst of the suffering; yet he has the gall to brag about his posh circumstances. Tokyo is only one of his many homes across the Pacific region. I have no sympathy or appreciation for his accomplishments in terms of personal gain while others around him suffer. We got a slight glimpse that maybe he is having some second thoughts about his priorities. I certainly hope so.

Thus far most people here have been sucking up to an egomaniac whilst attacking anyone who dare question him. It is deplorable.


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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An ATS junkie slinks back for his fix...consider it a lover's spat in a lifetime romance, ATS. You jilted me and broke my heart, but you know deep down I'm your man.

Love and kisses,

ATS's resident evil exploitative disaster-capitalist sexist thug.


******


March 20,Tokyo
No longer in hotel. Have moved to secure location near Shinjuku. Took a walk around Shinjuku several hours ago; photos below.

TOKYO STATUS REPORT:
Weather: Decent but should rain tonight or early tomorrow. According to some, this will be the first threat of serious radioactive contamination being carried to the city from Fukushima.

Streets/transportation: Definitely higher volumes of both people and vehicles on the street than in the last few days, but light by typical Tokyo standards. Trains appear to be running normally. Shinjuku station was very crowded; perhaps approaching normal levels.

Food: Have not checked the stores today. As of yesterday, sacks of rice were still hard if not impossible to come by. Bottled water, which had been sold out for a few days, appeared to be back on the shelves in many stores, but disappeared quickly. Other supplies erratic. Most restaurants in the Shinjuku area seem to be open.

Commerce: Large stores, department stores, etc. appear to be open. People are shopping (or at least window shopping). Many stores are still closed. It is a long weekend so most offices are closed through Monday.

Public mood: Appears markedly lighter today than yesterday, despite continued fear, alarm, and sadness. I heard laughter and normal conversation in the streets. I think people want to get out and enjoy themselves, forget the constant drumbeat of doom, and feel normal. There seems to be a feeling, rightly or wrongly, that Fukushima has "come through the worst of it" vis-a-vis the fuel rods and radiation dangers. (Of course, everybody thought "the boys would be home by Christmas" when World War I broke out, too.) Foolish denial during a false dawn, or valid hope in the face of danger that really might be lifting?

Below: Views of Shinjuku (doubters note today's copy of the Nihon Keizai Shinbun newspaper with date and "ATS" inscribed. Note the more normal pedestrian flow, traffic flow, etc.
First four pictures (in order): 1) Facing Kabukicho; 2) below Studio Alta facing Shinjuku Stn. (Central east exit); 3) Looking west, Kabukicho on the right: 4) Side-street, Kabukicho.







Of course, even as things ostensibly "get back to normal," it never pays to take chances if you don't have to.





...and a very special toast to all my haters from deep within the evil Silent Thunder lair:



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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Thank you very much for the update and pics
Keep em coming :-)



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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Thanks for the reporting..

Also pay no attention to the punks on ats.

Have you heard any news about the tap water in Tokyo?

Are people mad about it or concerned?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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Welcome back, Silent Thunder!!
Awesome to have you posting again.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Thank you, ST, for coming back and giving us another point of view on what is going on. Stay safe.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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Welcome back Mr resident evil exploitative disaster-capitalist sexist thug


Seriously, you're far from the truth there ST
Good to see your posts, very informative..... and I love the way you photoshoped that newspaper into those pics.....

Kidding Kidding!


sorry


By the way ST, have you been able to do any readings with your geiger counter, I'm sure there are many People in the dark about what's really going on.

Take Care and Thank you



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 04:26 AM
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Welcome Back to this thread again,Silent thunder.
This is a part of your lesson in life,where you have to learn how to elevate yourself so that you cannot be affected by what negative remarks those young punks throw at you.You should now realise that there many of them in the forum and you can spot them through their avatar and their comments. You have to learn to ignore their posts the moment you spot them. Do not read on cause their rantings may upset you.
Please just post your first hand reports of what is going on in japan,because,most news in the media has been doctored or misleading.What readers need is to have on the spot info when things really starts to happen.Post what you will or have just to keep this thread going so that if things start turning bad in japan,we can get to know about it through you.
Thank You very much again from all of us here.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Those of you who are jealous or who do not believe that Silent thunder is trying to be of service to members by being an on the spot source of information,PLEASE do not post your unwanted comments here.Please get of this thread and go elsewhere.
We will make a petition supported by members to ban you.( your ip will be noted in case you try to register using another name).
Dear mods,Please suspend anyone who mocks Silent thunder in their posts,so that they cannot continue to irritate him.

Thank You very much
p.s. We can sense you and deal with you if you persist in making a nuisance of yourself,so do NOT judge others,but judge yourselves first.

TheWatcher
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 05:26 AM
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Thanks for returning to update us, ST. Stay safe and be good--no unnecessary risks on our account! (I'm glad you moved from the high rise.) Hope to see more reports from you. The news here about the reactors is that they are beginning to get the situation somewhat under control, always good news as well.



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