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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
You are correct, Human nature isnt really what most people think it is. But it isnt universally nice and kind and loving either. One of my personal lines of study is "altruism." It turns out, (long argument) in order to create an altruistic social group, you need discrimination. In short, you must always be seeking out and eliminating those within the system who are "cheaters." We might call them sociopaths or psychopaths. Just like your body must constantly be on the lookout for cells gone rogue that we call "cancer."
Its one of the big problems with the "spiritual" theories. The go too far in their rejection of violence and the "negative" when the truth is "balance." All things must work in their proper place, in balance and harmony. Including "discrimination."
Any system we arrive at to keep human beings in good balance and harmony with nature, one that is sustainable, must also operate within the laws of nature. We are not yet realistically at a place where we can pretend human nature is universally loving and kind. It isnt. In no species on Earth is there that kind of universal "goodness" variation can and does arise, and some of that variation has a negative impact on the whole if left unchecked. You do not have to "hate" those who are harmful to the whole, but you do have to select against them. God or nature or both, has decreed that we are in a game of differential success.
We cannot be in denial about that.
Even in this discussion, if a more equitable society is created, it will mean the end of the last meme.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
In a system that has no place for cheating to happen...then there cannot be "cheaters." As for sociopaths and psychopaths, I contend they are a product of the twisting and "love-killing" nature of a money/power/energy (three manifestations of the same thing) scarcity system. In abundance, such twisting will be a very rare case indeed. And Humans untwisted are indeed loving, caring and giving.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
I don't see a need to balance peace with war. The only purpose for war is to gain something, and in abundance, One can gain without war. Without violence. And without money.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTravelerSure these are ‘just’ the roofs that once covered the containment vessels but if the containment vessels weren’t damaged how would pouring and spraying water on the containment vessels actually cool the fuel?
#2: They plan to restore power to the cooling systems by running outside lines to the main plant junctions?
If this were even possible massive generators could have been airlifted by helicopter to the plant within the first 24 to 48 hours.
They say they are going to have to install new cooling pumps to pump sea water, because the old ones are damaged from pumping sea water through them? So how do the new pumps not get damaged too from the sea water in fairly short order?
#3: They should be called heroes as they may ultimately have to sacrifice their lives?
We aren’t seeing much from the plant and certainly no one is giving statements from within it, and they have in the last 24 hours started assaulting the plant from the air.
#4: If no significant radiation has been released why is even the New York Times now reporting Radio Active Clouds that pose minimal health hazards will reach the California Coast by tomorrow?
#5: Clearly these plants are beyond repair, why aren’t they actively entombing them?
It would seem to me a plant rocked by explosions its structure and equipment exposed to high levels of radiation is not going to be back online next year.
For a week now we have been hearing, don’t worry, phony figures, ridiculous analogies, and what the disaster is ‘not’ as opposed to what it honestly is.
We do not have the most competent people in charge of things in part because competent people would not go along with what the corporate elite want. We need to understand that. We have people in positions who give the answers big money wants to hear. By design. And when things go wrong, and competence is needed, no one knows where it is.
Originally posted by colin42
Of course it is, you cannot make cheap bombs without them.
The passive cooling did work as designed at Fukushima. I didn’t realize that engineering now constitutes propaganda.
Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by SirMike
The passive cooling did work as designed at Fukushima. I didn’t realize that engineering now constitutes propaganda.
True, maybe I was a little hasty in my assessment of those videos. After understanding the logic presented to me in your post and the way the safety systems are functioning at these plants, I digress. There seems to be nothing to worry about. Everything was engineered to accommodate these pesky little explosions and what not that I've seen in other alarmist videos. Thanks.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by SirMike
So! Basically you are saying, don't worry, be happy?
If you aren't an engineer, you don't have a right to an opinion?
By the way, the switchgear on the yard might be still usable, but it is still hard wired to the melted down MCCs in the plant.
Bringing in portable equipment would be far faster.
You don't have to be an engineer to realize that the world's corporate controlled media response seems to be centered around how this will affect the markets, rather than solving a world crisis.