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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You will be wanting to find a quote no doubt that you can post that can be directly attributed to me saying such things.


I particularly liked:

"It's also possible though that the neutron beam is being shot in for some reason and not out. A space based weapon that Slayer69 and Youtube doesn't know about either trying to further damage the reactors or to possibly seal them in some top secret attempt to worsen or alleviate the disaster, that here on ATS some might even suspect involves a non-human alien presence involved in the situation. "

Here you have embraced space based neutron beams, and added in little space buddies for sauce. But any suggestion that the article was just a bit poorly translated here and there, and you'll say it's speculation. It's obviously NOT speculation if it's a neutron beam that's 'blue glowy radioactive lasers', to which you'll reply "Great post my friend."

There you go. Two quotes for the price of one.



By the way if you want to learn something about Public Speaking, Ben Franklin was very good at not marrying himself in the minds of the crowd to his own position, or even revealing it, but would often say, something like "Some think Bedlam is a disinfo agent".


Oh, come now. Isn't the current meme that I'm a bot?

The disinfo agent accusation is common coin on ATS. Inject a bit of common sense and bam, you're a gubmint agent.




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by crazyray
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OMG, dude. I spit my tea all over my government issued cubicle!!!! Priceless.


Was watching some reruns of old cartoons with the kids a couple of years ago and saw that one, and it struck me just how much Simon Bar Sinister looked like Dick Cheney, plus how the Weather Machine pretty much covered the HAARPlore, minus maybe the mind control bits. Weird how art predicts reality.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Just a quick question regarding the prism aspect

Could the water being sprayed into and over the plants act as a prism?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Here I have raised a question nothing more and nothing less.

See!

In reality all those things are possible, we live in a Universe full of infinite possibilities that are not simply limited to the ones you can define, understand or identify.

Yet the truth remains I have not stated that I believe that to be true.

People ask me all the time here on ATS "Proto what do you think is going on?" both publicly and privately and when answering I always start with "This is what I think is happening".

Your argument is basically a poor version of the "A little bit pregnant argument" where it's not as bad as it could be, because it could be worse.

Yet you really don't have by your own admission real data from on the ground to make absolute statements and that really is what it is.

So how you imagine what you are saying does make sense, is really just all about how it makes sense to you.

From where I sit I see a situation that has steadily degraded since day one.

Degraded to a point that people from MIT who had their phsyics degrees said wouldn't happen on day one, but did.

They imagined they were making sense and being rational too.

Who has credibility right now in relation to this matter? No one that I can think of.

The fact that you keep going on and on about HAARP kind of illustrates you would like to simply deflect away from all the things you really don't know to suggest others are speculating further afield than is presumed wise or sane.

The fact that you want to attribute a HAARP based argument I haven't presented to me suggest an attempt to 'kill two birds with one stone'.

Which some would conclude you don't like HAARP or people speculating about it and you don't like me.

Me I have an open mind!



edit on 23/3/11 by ProtoplasmicTraveler because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Ya gotta wonder if Cheney didn't subconsciously mold his personality on Simon Bar Sinister, cause they sure seem to have a lot of personality traits in common. Great discovery.

Simon says, destroy Japan for building hybrid cars that are a threat to the oil conglomerates who control the world.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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we could TOTALLY get into the slow feed of ideas through the media, but that's for a completely different post, good sir!!!



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by colin42
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Just a quick question regarding the prism aspect

Could the water being sprayed into and over the plants act as a prism?



Water would slow neutrons down a bit, which is its function in a water moderated reactor.

But it seems pretty clear from the rest of the article that they're calling any neutron emission a "beam", which isn't really the right word to use there in English.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Ya gotta wonder if Cheney didn't subconsciously mold his personality on Simon Bar Sinister, cause they sure seem to have a lot of personality traits in common. Great discovery.

Simon says, destroy Japan for building hybrid cars that are a threat to the oil conglomerates who control the world.


Hey, in part four, Underdog uses steath cloaking technology to become invisible so he can destroy the Weather Machine. Must work for Boeing.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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I keep hearing an argument from you that no one can refute.

(I will summarize what I am hearing
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We are not being told the truth of the matter regarding what is happening in Japan, in fact, we are being told lies upon lies about the issue.

That was my summary of one of Proto's arguments.

And THAT is 100% the truth.

One only need listen to the reel news coming from the MSM in order to qualify this.
The MSM is, as usual, rife with contradictions.

Hey, if nothing, they are consistently inconsistent.

One day we hear about radioactive steam being ventilated into the air to keep the bunkers from exploding, but then the next day we are being told that "EVERYTHING IS OKAY... GO BACK TO SLEEP".

I do not care what any official source tells me. No amount of radiation exposure is healthy.
And the amount that the people of Japan are being exposed to is unbelievable and growing exponentially.

Yeah... Everything is A OKAY, but for some reason I see this being reported by CNN today.


Bottled water scarce after Japan's tap water shown unsafe for infants



Tokyo (CNN) -- Despite being urged not to hoard bottled water, residents of Japan's capital on Wednesday snapped it up in droves after testing showed radioactive material in tap water at levels unsafe for infants. The city's water agency said the spike was likely caused by problems at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, located 240 kilometers (150 miles) away.
Earlier Wednesday, Tokyo government officials advised residents not to give tap water to infants or use it in formula after tests at a purification plant detected high levels of radioactive iodine. Grocery store owner Seiji Sasaki said he noted a sudden increase of customers. He had 40 cases of water in his store, but they were gone quickly.
Meanwhile, officials evacuated some workers at the Fukushima plant Wednesday afternoon as a black plume of smoke billowed above one of the reactors, plant owner Tokyo Electric Power Co. said. The cause of the smoke was unclear.


link to source for both exernal texts.

That is right. Don't give the water to infants because they will die very quickly.
For you however, just drink it.

Oh and BTW... We have no idea what is causing the new smoke coming from reactor 3, but the official word is that it is definitely not a new fire.

"No one will care about this in 20 years time.
We have enough money to settle the lawsuits"
-Hypothetical quote from a TEPCO administrator.

This is a bit from the Telegraph today about the spent fuel rods and the boiling water that the workers would have control of like 3 days ago.


Japan nuclear crisis: engineers battle to stop boiling pool
Engineers at Japan's stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant battled to stop a pool holding spent nuclear fuel from boiling, as fears about contamination spread to the country's seafood industry.



The pool at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan heated up to around boiling point, and with water bubbling away there was a risk that more radioactive steam could spew out. Nuclear agency official Hidehiko Nishiyama said fuel rods had been partly exposed.
He added: "We cannot leave this alone and we must take care of it as quickly as possible." After shipments of spinach and milk from the Fukushima area were halted because of heightened levels of radiation, new tests found elevated levels of radioactive iodine and cesium, in sea water.
That prompted the Japanese government to order monitoring of seafood. Levels of radioactive iodine-131 in sea water samples near the plant were 126.7 times higher than the safety limit.


Not to worry however... cuz if you don't see the FNORDS then they won't eat you.


However, Yukio Edano, the Chief Cabinet Secretary, said: "Radiation levels higher than safety levels were found in the sea-water, but these levels indicate radiation levels that would still be safe even if you drank sea-water for a year.


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That is right...
You can drink water with levels of radioactivity 126.7 times above normal for a whole year.
But only a year unfortunately. You will die soon after that.
(That was kind of sarcastic people, but only kind of sarcastic)

And lastly, simply because I like to do things in three's...

This is from yesterday... 2 days after the workers would have everything cooled and online.


Japan nuclear firm admits missing safety checks at disaster-hit plant


What?!?!?!?!

Are you saying that we are being LIED to about some things?
Would the administrators engage in behaviors that put profit above human life?

NEVER... (again, more sarcasm. This time however it is more than definitive)


The power plant at the centre of the biggest civilian nuclear crisis in Japan's history contained far more spent fuel rods than it was designed to store, while its technicians repeatedly failed to carry out mandatory safety checks, according to documents from the reactor's operator.
The risk that used fuel rods present to efforts to avert disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was underlined on Tuesday when nuclear safety officials said the No 2 reactor's storage pool had heated to around boiling point, raising the risk of a leakage of radioactive steam.
"We cannot leave this alone and we must take care of it as quickly as possible," Hidehiko Nishiyama, of the nuclear and industrial safety agency, said.


link to source for both external texts.

God I hate it when people fear monger, but how exactly should we who search for the truth handle this when something BAD actually happens?

Watch more television. We are bombing the people with the best available source of water.

We got your backs.

Whatever.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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It has been a lesson on how not to deal with a crisis or disaster from day one. At times I have thought that whoever is managing this from the Japanese point of view has to be suicidal and that explains the decisions being made.

This leads to the startling fact that other governments and specialists from around the world who are watching this are in fact supporting the crazy gameplan being used by the Japanese by not getting in there to avert what might be a disaster that will affect us all both immediatly and in the long run. This I cant understand ?

If you look in parallel to the Libyan supposed agenda. We are in there without sovereign invite to save the Libyan people. So, why in gods name are we not doing the same in Japan??

Something stinks about how the reactor scenario is being played out and I totally believe we are missing something vitally important that is staring us in the face.

Respects to you PT, star and Flag
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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Could it be nothing more than greed and ego.

The atomic industries ego not letting them accept that yes the accident that cnnot happen has happened again.

The Japanese gov Ego will not let them ask openly for help

The western gov's ego that Gadaffi has played them for the fools they are and now they want revenge



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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There really are no accidents or coincidences in the world, when you look on it with a universal scale where you aren't using the yardstick of societal constructs handed to you to measure events and understand them.

Once you accept that things are not accidents then you can start looking more closely at the reason why things are happening.

Ego plays a big part here on ATS even in this thread, but go too guys and puppet masters aren't about ego, as usually they take great care to stay in the shadows where no one sees them or is aware of their influence.

They are all just about getting the job done.

The frightening reality here my friend that no one's ego wants to let them face here on ATS or elsewhere is that this is all being purposefully played out the way it is with no real consideration for anyone who is not driving the events.

We simply don't individually want to be so insignificant as to be deemed so utterly expendable, even though surpisingly enough we spend most of our time here trying to deminish one another to insignificant status.

It's a strange universe I will give you that, but there is much, much more here going on that the surface hasn't even begun to be scratched on.

Everything is absolutely happening with a rhyme and a reason, the trick is figuring out what it is and telling it all with words that rhyme!



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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(I will summarize what I am hearing )
We are not being told the truth of the matter regarding what is happening in Japan, in fact, we are being told lies upon lies about the issue.

That was my summary of one of Proto's arguments.


Thank you for paying attention my wise and observant friend.

This is my argument, that we are not being told the truth, that the media is not trying to probe for the truth, that the governments and universities and experts offering explanations are either not telling us the truth or telling us things based on a false understanding of the actual situation on the ground.

I don't know what is actually going on, and the fact that no one else does is not something I consider a consolation with matters so serious and grave.

I honestly hoped and still do that somehow they get this situation under control, but noticible inconsistencies and things that make no sense at all that we were told early on, led me to believe and continue to believe as the situation degrades that we weren't and aren't being told the truth.

As usual that gets lost and confused when you start getting clowns to the left and jokers to the right arguing out the talking points that the media is feeding people and people start focusing in on being 'right' at any and all costs in their argument, because they really imagine life is a team sport competition to be right at any and all costs.

While some understandably are looking for real answers, I am actually looking for a real answer as to why they never give us real answers and what it will take to change all that.

Thanks my friend.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Greed and ego points to someone making money from this disaster, but Im sure it is costing money not making it. As regards The situation we are now in Im sure most would argue that what is happening at the reactors could be described as a series of disasters, each day bringing something more frightening than the day before.

With that thought in mind I dont view the Japanese as lemmings to their ego especially with the world watching them. Someone should have stepped in for the sake of the worlds population and they are not going to. Dont you wonder why?

Respects



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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You could be correct or it may just be life kicking the so called intelligent life up the arse.

Reading the other threads corners have been cut. Not good when playing with atomic energy.

Our ability to control nature to the point we can protect against anything it throws our way is always overblown and found lacking in reality this whole event stands witness to that.

Putting profit before people and propaganda before action believing you can control any and all info is a flawed belief.

And maybe, just maybe attributing events we cannot control to the actions of dark forces is just our simian brain tying to explain our impotence in the face of nature.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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I think you missed the point of my post.

The greed happened before the quake. If you read the posts here and follow the news it is greed and ego that has resulted in the events being played out



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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But it seems pretty clear from the rest of the article that they're calling any neutron emission a "beam", which isn't really the right word to use there in English.


Look, you know and I know that the facilities are now firing radioactive neutron beams all over Japan. Yes, beams or lasers or rays whatever you want to call them. They aren't simply dispersing something intermittently. More than one article states beams or rays. Nothing about a gentle dispersal of neutrons there.


Japan's crippled nuclear power plant is emitting a neutron beam as efforts continue to bring it under control. The "Kyodo News" reports the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, has spotted a neutron beam 13 separate times at the Fukushima plant. The beam is a radioactive ray and could be evidence of a more serious leak from nuclear fission. All 13 sightings occurred after the massive quake and tsunami hit the region on March 11th. TEPCO says the beam only emitted a tiny amount of radiation that isn't considered dangerous.


mystateline.com...

Maybe you should contact some of these people who are interpreting slight dispersal as beam and correct them. I'm sure they'd love to use your explanation instead of their own.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by colin42
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I think you missed the point of my post.

The greed happened before the quake. If you read the posts here and follow the news it is greed and ego that has resulted in the events being played out



I did miss the point and for that please accept my apologies....Respects to you.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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You are 100% correct.

The more that our collective efforts yield nothing.
The more uneasy I feel about this whole issue.

And to think that we aren't even talking about the gulf disaster anymore.
It's almost as if it were old news and everything in the gulf is okay now.
Seriously shocking.

I mean heck... We still have an entire city that is half-worthless. (New Orleans)

My last post was like half directed at you and half at the peanut gallery.

I kept switching perspectives, so it might have come off as haughty and that was not what I was trying to do.

I gotta cool my brain from the ATS. I feel my emotion gauge beginning to kick it up a notch.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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No Problems. I write faster than I think and seeing as though I type with two fingers getting my point across first go is pretty unlikely.





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