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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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As you already know Proto, and I have mentioned in this thread already, my mother works for the US Army Corps of Engineers.

I don't care what anyone from FEMA says, when an emergency happens, it is the CORPS that winds up finally fixing the problem.
She tells me daily of the massive amount of money that went into fixing the levies in New Orleans and they are still not currently built to withstand another Katrina.
The levies were not originally built to the standards that were demanded of the corps because the corps works on a budget, and it is massive, but so much corruption happens that little monies are left for the actual job after everyone "takes their cut".

You are very correct. We are taxed all to hell and back in this country. I read somewhere that the actual amount of our income that we spend on taxation reaches upwards of 80% at times.
And when one of the many alphabet letter agencies screw up their job, then congress allocates more money to the agency because they must have not had the necessary resources to complete the job correctly.

That is such a load of crap. I usually try to stay somewhat level headed in these discussions, but what is happening in Japan right now is nothing short of a crime against humanity.

I never really bought much into the depopulation program, mainly because during times of crisis it is human nature to want to copulate.
It's an interesting conundrum for TPTB if their plan is to depopulate, because it simply will not work....

Unless you can keep people from copulating during a disaster.

And if anyone took the time to read the CNN article that I linked, then you will see that people with radiation exposure are afraid to have sex. They are afraid to marry, because they do not want to bear a radically deformed child due to the radiation exposure.

I now think and wholly believe that there is something to this depopulation program, because the reactions of the many world governments to the literal onslaught of disasters within the last 10 years is abysmal.

A 5th grade child could plan for the disasters ahead of time better than anyone in any disaster agency that I have seen in action.
Because a child in uncorrupted. They do not simply see profit in dollars and cents, but they see human lives.

I am sick and tired of the incompetence excuse, because it is merely a way to hide the massive amount of corruption and wealth extraction that is happening in the hands of an elite few.
The earth has more than enough carrying capacity for our population. We are not running out of resources.

They have been hidden from us and stolen from us.

When we live is a world where 95% of the world's wealth is in the hands of 5% of the population, then overpopulation is NOT the problem.
Logistics is NOT the problem.

The problem is apathy.
Apathy, greed and corruption at the hands of the few who hold the many hostage.

God man, I just woke up and I am already angry.
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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What is really bizarre my friend, and was well evidenced on another thread recently where the Rich said 7 million dollars a year was not enough to live well off of, is that many people seem to actually want to be poor.

Not only that but they want the average person who has a good union job, or government job, or blue collar job to be poor too.

They don't rebel against the notion of some CEO making 110 million a year, they rebel against the notion of some electrician making 100K with benefits.

They don't rebel against the notion of the queen of England getting 1.00 dollar a year from millions and millions of subjects, they rebel against the idea of the metal worker making 100K with benefits.

If I am making 10.00 an hour, you should too, even while at the very same time, the very same people rile against socialism and communism as not being 'free' enterprise.

They have successfully seemed to train us to accept less, and insist on less, and insist for less, for our fellow average person, as opposed to ever wanting to actively see a virtue in promoting the belief we all deserve a bigger slice of the pie.

They have trained us to believe that what causes us to fail as people making 10.00 an hour, lack of focus, initiative, self discipline, assertiveness etc, are natural byproducts that also cause the people getting paid 110 million to run a electric utility to also fail when it comes to having a solution to a nuclear crisis!

While the guys who make 10.00 an hour get to lay down their lives and health trying to solve it for the guy who got paid 110 million who put no thought into it at all, even though he's the top of the food chain.

We are so infected with faulty ass backwards and self defeatist thinking I don't know if the people can ever be deporgrammed into learning some common sense and self respect and realizing that we all have a far greater power to effect and change than the Powers that Be want us to believe.

We have seen it on this thread, "This thread is an insult to the Dead!" the language of emotion, "they are doing everything they can, you don't know what you are talking about" the language of blind faith, "You are one ignorant SOB" the langauge of anger, etc. etc., where again and again, people not only refuse to see what is being done for us, but want to excuse it away as if somehow that really is solving our problems or making the world a better place.

It's a tragic situation but I think we all have to try to keep speaking out and acting out and trying to set better examples and hope that maybe common sense and some common solutions can be applied.

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Here is a link to another thread here at ATS regarding the radiation readings in the Western US.

Here is a quote



Since the official US radiation site is experiencing some problems, I would strongly suggest you take a long hard look at this live streaming site using live streaming technology. It is based in Driggs Idaho using a Ludlum model 177 that is exposed to direct wind. What is concerning is that you can watch the CPM go from around 80 CPM to 140 CPM as the winds wax and wane. This is scary stuff indeed.


Driggs, Idaho is across the Teton Pass from Jackson, Wyoming (aka Jackson Hole).

I used to live there back in 1996. It is just south of Yellowstone National Park. Within the next 6 months they will see upwards of 2 million visitors.

I would be interested to see the readings for the other side of the Grand Tetons.

The Grand Teton National Park splits the states of Wyoming and Idaho.
So... while Jackson and Driggs are neighbors they are split by the Tetons, which the Grand Teton peak is around 13,000 feet in elevation.

BTW.... For those of you who do not understand numbers regarding radioactivity, any reading above 100 counts per minute is considered dangerous when talking long term exposure.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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l think Japan is finished. lt will be interesting to learn who is awarded the "clean up contract. l don't think that all that is happening is about money though. The guy who was in charge of the reactors must have been on a salary only you or l could dream of. Look at him now, a broken man. He will feel responsible for all those folks deaths and destitution. Yes he will probably commit Hari Kari, lt is their custom when they bring dishonour upon themselves and the people they are responsible for.
l really don't think it is about the money, l don't think money matters to the perpetraters of these horrific crimes. Thats just a sprat to catch a mackerel, so to speak. The important thing to remember is "They" know the value "We" put on money so they use it for control. Radiation poisoning and starvation will affect the multi billionaires the same as it will affect us, they will just live a little bit longer thats all. Now, here comes the crazy part. Who are the people doing all of this, surely they are flesh and blood like the rest of us? Will they not be as vulnerable as the rest of us?. l've been racking my two tiny brain cells for years about this one, Aliens? good theory but l don't think so. The one thing that has puzzeled me for years is Why are the pictures we are presented with to do with the lSS. practicaly the same now as when they they first started showing them in the 60's. lt seems to me that there has been very little progress in fifty years. lf you add up the money that NASA has recieved in the last 50yrs lt is astounding how little they have progressed. Then l heard about Gay Mckinnon, the hacker from the uk. he claims among other things to have seen "off world" rota's. and huge ships. The US are trying to extradite him and want to give him up to 70yrs. lt was after reading his story things started to make more sense. Sorry there are no paragraphs, l haven't got a clue how to do them yet. Peace starchild.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Yes, now Japan will have no choice, they will have to accept help from the lMF now, the same as Australia, Newzealand and all the other countries affected by. Global Warming" and greedy bankers. As scams go you got to admit its a corker. .



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by star child
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Now, here comes the crazy part. Who are the people doing all of this, surely they are flesh and blood like the rest of us? Will they not be as vulnerable as the rest of us?. l've been racking my two tiny brain cells for years about this one, Aliens? good theory but l don't think so. The one thing that has puzzeled me for years is Why are the pictures we are presented with to do with the lSS. practicaly the same now as when they they first started showing them in the 60's. lt seems to me that there has been very little progress in fifty years. lf you add up the money that NASA has recieved in the last 50yrs lt is astounding how little they have progressed. Then l heard about Gay Mckinnon, the hacker from the uk. he claims among other things to have seen "off world" rota's. and huge ships. The US are trying to extradite him and want to give him up to 70yrs. lt was after reading his story things started to make more sense. Sorry there are no paragraphs, l haven't got a clue how to do them yet. Peace starchild.


I am very adamantly against any alien theories and the such, but you do bring up some very valid points.

Anyone who is a fan of Bill Cooper should be intimately acquainted with the presence of Alien beings and governments. (I am a fan. The guy is a hero and a martyr in my eyes)
But his theory, after claiming for years that we were contacted back in the 50's by EBE (extra-terrestrial biological entities), was that the alien theory was designed as a hoax.

According to Cooper, the supposed "alien" presence is both being used as a guise to hide the actual advancements that we have made regarding space travel.
And it will be used to set up a mock invasion in order to give the world a common friend/enemy.

This will be the lynch pin in the design for world government.
The aliens attack or show up and we will have no choice but to unite as a planet.

I know that this sounds really far out, but Reagan really liked to talk about it.
Werner Von Braun talked about it.
And Cooper talked about it.

I do agree with you that what is happening in Japan is not solely about the dollars and cents.
There is some other reason for this and I cannot place it quite yet.

Is this a message to the Asian powers?
Is this a way to depopulate the planet?
Is this a way to soften the masses and make them more pliable concerning plans for world government?

An argument could be made for all of these, but I think that what will be the ultimate end result is that we are slowly being conditioned into accepting things that would otherwise be unacceptable.

You pose some interesting questions that would most likely yield even more interesting answers.
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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It is all a result of the con job of the free market.

The oil companies created the stagflation of the 70ties, and the economic downturn, but under Reagan they succeeded in fooling all too many of the people into blaming government for the problems created by the oil companies and bankers.

This resulted in people supporting Reagan and free market politicians, who handed over the power in our nation to the oil companies and bankers who created all the problems in the first place.

This is the basic reality of how we got to where we are today.

And all the corruption that has been created by our fraudulent banking system.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Unfortunately this is not quite true, the Banksters have had a strangle hold on the nation since it's inception, with the First and then the Second United States Bank and finally the Federal Reserve.

There to my knowledge has only been one President in our History who has been honest with the people about the Bankers and was willing to fight against them and that was Old Hickory, Andrew Jackson who came within 22,000.00 of paying off our international debt and making the United States a sovereign nation.

Unfortunately he was still contending with the manipulation of the Second United States Bank at the time and the hyper inflationary wave they set off to counter Jackson's efforts, left him close but short. Since then our debt has only grown and none of our Presidents have been forth coming or honest about that, and the influence the International Banking Cartel has.

As far as the oil companies they might as well be the banks, as the principle owners of the oil companies are also principle owners of the banks.

It's about them wanting to control us through their control of the resources and the systems, that they control at the top.

Our politicians are afraid of them and frankly for very good reason, they do have the wealth and the ability to strike anyone down, anywhere they want to that gets in their way and challenges them.

Regan questioned the need for the Federal Reserve and within short order was shot.

Kennedy talked about backing our currency with Silver and look what happened to him.

There is a Shadow Government my friend, and unfortunately their companies are the companies that build this all powerful technology and to a great extent it's them that control and not the militaries that use it.

It's going to be hard for people to come to terms with how deep and how long this deception has afflicted us, but until we do...
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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l will look up Bill Cooper, thanks, never heard of him, he sounds really interesting. As much as l would love to believe in Aliens l can't bring myself to. you are right Regan has mentioned them as have the others. l also see a lot of sites like Galactic friends popping up all over the place. l don't buy it. While we are concentrating on these things we won't be investigating the reality of what is really going on. l have also heard that Germany, the UK and another country which l can't remember (getting old, lol) are closing down some of their reactors for checks, l wonder what those checks are really for. Peace starchild.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It’s a real tragedy what has happened in Japan but perhaps the bigger tragedy if there could be one is the level of disdain the Japanese Government and the Press and many of the so called ‘think tanks’ and experts have been showing for people with common sense in how badly they are reporting and distorting events from the scenes.

#1: How can they say there is no serious breach of containment at the plants?

Let’s look at a few things here, the first and not the least is the fact that these buildings have suffered massive explosions to the point that the roofs are gone over many of the reactors.

Sure these are ‘just’ the roofs that once covered the containment vessels but if the containment vessels weren’t damaged how would pouring and spraying water on the containment vessels actually cool the fuel?

The super heated fuel would still be safely inside; none of the water would be getting to it.

If what they were saying is true, this would be like your car having an over heated radiator and you being able to ‘cool’ it by going through a carwash with the hood down over the radiator.

Clearly the containment vessels are compromised otherwise pouring water on them would be an utter waste of time.


#2: They plan to restore power to the cooling systems by running outside lines to the main plant junctions?

If this were even possible massive generators could have been airlifted by helicopter to the plant within the first 24 to 48 hours.

Further the buildings have been rocked by explosions and fires, what are the chances of the wiring not having been damaged by them.

In addition they have been pouring sea water, with highly corrosive salt all over the damaged and exposed building, how could any of the wiring to the cooling systems be working for a ‘plug in’.

They say they are going to have to install new cooling pumps to pump sea water, because the old ones are damaged from pumping sea water through them? So how do the new pumps not get damaged too from the sea water in fairly short order?

Further how will they cool fuel where the containment vessels have obviously been badly damaged?


#3: They should be called heroes as they may ultimately have to sacrifice their lives?

We aren’t seeing much from the plant and certainly no one is giving statements from within it, and they have in the last 24 hours started assaulting the plant from the air.

Were the 50 workers evacuated when radiation levels became too high 48 hours ago, evacuated alive? It’s a horrible question to have to ask but I wouldn’t be able to rule out the possibility due to the lack of reporting on the ground at the facility and in conjunction with all the distortions and lies being reported that those 50 workers died, and an hour later another 180 were sent in to lay down their own to keep the show going.


#4: If no significant radiation has been released why is even the New York Times now reporting Radio Active Clouds that pose minimal health hazards will reach the California Coast by tomorrow?

One YouTube source already is claiming radio active clouds were detected in Bakersfield yesterday and what exactly is minimal health hazard? They tell us that the radiation being released quickly dissipates once you get away from the plant, yet American Ships have been withdrawn to 100 miles from the plant and Americans are being airlifted out of Japan now on chartered flights.

#5: Clearly these plants are beyond repair, why aren’t they actively entombing them?

It would seem to me a plant rocked by explosions its structure and equipment exposed to high levels of radiation is not going to be back online next year.

Is this whole obscene series of lies and story telling just a way to cover up the fact that once again no one in government anywhere was prepared with the proper materials at their disposal to actually handle a disaster of this severity?

The corporations that run them have no logistical ability to quickly entomb them and the governments themselves have no ability either.


Those are just the major questions regarding the common sense inconsistencies in the ‘official stories’ being broadcast out of Japan and our own Medias and higher learning institutions.

For a week now we have been hearing, don’t worry, phony figures, ridiculous analogies, and what the disaster is ‘not’ as opposed to what it honestly is.

What more will it take for people to start using common sense and realize that the Media and Governments are always running a three ring circus on us, where the people are the last to ever know anything, and the Government and Media are of the opinion that we can be taught to argue anything simply by giving us carefully constructed versions to argue over, while all the while they operate nearly unaccountable in the vacuum of the confusion that they create.

Can the world really afford to keep running on lies? Are people really not better served by the truth?

As dangerous as radioactive clouds roaming the earth is, I for one think it pales in comparison to the dangers of organized media and government having such disdain for the people that they are supposed to inform, protect and serve but do the exact opposite.


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It just gets worse and worse we all need to donate what we can to help these people.May god help us all



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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We have discussed this before. The smallest gap between the rich and the average worker in the U.S. was at the end of the 1970ties. Reagan's free market concepts ushered in a new era where the banks have gained more control than they ever have enjoyed in U.S. history.

While the banks have always sought control, for most of U.S. history, their control has been very weak.

Thanks to the Free Market con job, banks now have more power than anytime in U.S. history.

Why would you want to downplay the role of Free Market policies in creating our current debackle?

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Oh don't get the wrong idea that my statements in ANY way defend the way this situation is being handled. Just doing some armchair quarterbacking and pointing out that portable flat bed gen-sets of the size needed for the pump motors and related controls DO exist. In my opinion they should have had these units within 25-30 miles of the plants, ready, for JUST this type of situation. Also, my point was that I DO think that at the very least with the help of portable gen-sets the powers that be could have at least run spools of cable and set up what ever working pumps they could, and got them going by now. (If they had the gen-sets close by) You are dead on, that we are taxed up one side and down the other but never seemed to be prepared. That's kind of what I was saying. The BP spill demonstrated that point exactly, The broken well just spewed and spewed while so called "engineers" wringing their collective hands couldn't grasp the situation at all and were caught with their pants down. Completely unprepared for what you would think would have to have a contingency plan.

Carry on.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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I think it's time to at least consider the distinct possibility that humans aren't in control of this planet and most likely never were.

Jim Marrs makes an excellent case for this in Alien Agenda and Rule By Secrecy. Numerous authors from Bill Cooper to Zecharia Sitchin to David Icke have done the same.

Sites like ATS are popular because there isn't a single aspect of society that hasn't been grossly perverted and manipulated.

We have a government that manufactures elaborate Ponzi schemes, funnels trillions of dollars to Banksters, dictators and criminals while keeping us in a perpetual state of war and completely disregarding the Constitution that defines and limits it's power.

We have a medical system that spends trillions of dollars on "research" but cures nothing. "Programming" on the Idiot Box is sponsored by a variety of Big Pharma concoctions whose side effects are far worse than the symptoms they treat.

Our corporate news organizations are little more than the propaganda arm of government and industry.

Our food is full of harmful chemicals, preservatives, growth hormones, artificial flavors, colors, sweeteners and genetically modified organisms.

Our water is laced with the highly toxic industrial waste fluoride that comes straight from the pollution scrubbers of phosphate fertilizer plants.

Our skies are criss-crossed with strange white lines that contain aluminum, barium and who knows what else.

And to add insult to injury, our conspiracy forums are filled with professional debunkers and pseudoskeptics who spend their lives trying to deny all of the above!



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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Just to correct a spelling error. The guy l mentioned was Gary Mckinnon not gay as l wrote. must have been when my cat walked over my keyboard. lol. Peace star.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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I think less and less people are listening to the "professional" debunkers because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that something isn't right in today's world. And those same "pros" and their lies just aren't believable any more.

I mean they are really insulting our intelligence lately.
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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I find it interesting that a poster who calls himself "star child" and who brings up Gary McKinnon doesn't believe in extraterrestrials -- unless of course your family name is Star.


Did you ever wonder why the U.S. government is so determined to extradite and convict McKinnon if what he's saying isn't true?

While I understand the reluctance of many to consider the possibility of extraterrestrials, ask yourself, what are the chances that humans are the only intelligent life in the universe? And I use the word 'intelligent' loosely. Sometimes I think we're like the tribesmen from "The Gods Must Be Crazy", trying to figure out the Coke bottle that was dropped on our heads while being completely oblivious to advanced civilizations.

Despite the decades of subtle programming that's been employed so people will categorically reject and mock the notion of extraterrestrials, the odds of us being alone in this universe are so small that it's practically non-existent. The empirical evidence that's been gathered since Roswell is overwhelming.

BTW Proto, sorry for sidetracking your thread, but I'm a firm believer in Shakespeare's "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy."

Not to mention "All the world's a stage."

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Indeed there are more things in heaven and earth than one might imagine or presume but not all of them are 'aliens' or 'extra terrestrial', but instead inter-dimensional.

The earth itself is home to life forms that many people do not know or believe to exist.

The truth is that it's not easy to take a real lay of the land simply because we have been programmed to discount so many different things as being not real, insane, demonic, etc.

One of the things that concerns me in these troubled times is unbeknownst to most our daily lives are filled with various rituals, rituals that we take part in, even though we are not religious.

Most consider these, which are most often just presented as societal constructs as habit, and how things are done, yet many, most of them are rooted in ritual and have deep ritualized meanings.

In many ways we are being compelled to manifest a certain reality, at the present time a very bad one, where through media, government and religion, we are taught to and encouraged to look for unpleasant outcomes and as we dwell on them through our fears and base emotions we are in fact creating in mass, self fulfilling prophecies that actually serve the few, who drive and spin the events towards those angles and conclusions.

In this fasion we are in fact, in large part through intricate rituals creating a distopian nightmare that for the priestly and kingly class is a utopian dream of the kind of world they would like to control and preside over.

Part of those rituals are actually designed to disconnect us from better things and other things, and other entities that likewise or similiarly would like to see their own idea of utopian world manifested through us, except that by and large they can not get through to us, because we have been so well programed through the rituals and constructs painstakenly taught to us in minute detail from almost the moment of birth onward.

Maintaining what is in fact little more than an ongoing 'spell' is then all about people, our fellow humans demanding we adhere to 'reality' while never actually quite understanding that what makes it real, is all of us believing in it, and working subconciously and consciously towards it, whether we agree with it or like it or not, through the constant programming and ritual.

It actually goes much deeper than simple space aliens or extraterestrials, as powerful forces are always being evoked and brought into play, ones that most people either do not believe exist, or if they do exist hypothetically are advertised as and considered to be evil.

Most of us are child like in the sense that we are afraid to think and do on our own outside of the box, rebel against verbal and other clues, the authority of church and state, and peer pressure that is rigidly enforced through the media and political correctness and conventional wisdom.

This remains a huge part of an ongoing problem and leads me to personally believe on a universal scale that ultimately on the path of evolution that individually we will have to leave the collective behind to languish through the hard process of becoming truly aware.

Are people in general on whole aware of the precise nature, bredth and depth of the world and universe they live in?

No, and they look to the very worst sources for information on how to understand it and define it.

In part that is how a very dire and grave situation like the one in Japan with these reactors can be so easily downplayed and ignored, people have been trained to accept the edicts and decrees of the government, media and church on face value and to believe in general there is something wrong with questioning them or believing otherwise.

Despite our advancements in technology, technology as this case demonstrates we do not fully understand, know how to use and have not mastered, we remain a largely primitive, ignorant people ruled by superstition and emotions.

That really is a problem.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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That is very possibly the best post I have ever read.

Truly outstanding to differentiate between the extraterrestrial and interdimensional.

The reminder about dwelling on negative outcomes and manifesting unpleasant realities couldn't be more apropos -- especially for those of us who are fascinated by these end times and perhaps a bit too obsessed with figuring it all out. Instead of understanding the monster, we're inadvertently feeding it.

The truth in what you're saying actually sent chills up my spine.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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I agree



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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freegary.org.uk...

This guy is the UK hacker who may or may not have heard about these 'off-world' systems, as mentioned in the post you quoted.






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