White House wants new copyright law crackdown

Mixed feelings here. I disagree with being able to tap pirates, but I understand, that at least in the software industry, piracy is an issue. I mean, who really owns a legal copy of photoshop? Also with games it is a huge problem, which is why they use more and more annoying DRM mechanisms. If they want free software they should use GNU software.

Any with audiovisual things, not many people would buy DVDs if they can find a free stream of copyrighted material.

This is yet another disturbing development in a long list. Cause a global financial meltdown and get big bonuses, attack your own country and get billions in contracts, politicians take open bribes as lobbying. Yet watch a movie over the internet without paying and get locked up. America is getting seriously messed up with its priorities. Sounds like someone wants to make some money from all those apparently unused FEMA camps.

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Who owns legal copies of high end programs like photoshop? People and companies that make a living off of them do. Who in their right mind would pay the kind of money they charge for personal use every once in a while? If photoshop pirated wasn't available, I guarantee you photoshop sales would not be increasing by the millions, GIMP downloads would though lol. For every software that is pirated, there is also a great GNU version anyways.

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Before the internet, I just kept my fingers by the record button on my tape deck while listening to the radio to get songs free lol. I get a tape for christmas, my friend gets another one. We trade for a day or two to make copies. That's how it went when I was a kid.

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Is it illegal to make a living developing and selling software? If you want photoshop, BUY IT, or STFU and learn to use GIMP. Because of pricks who refuse to comply by the terms and condition of the software they use, honest users have to put up with crappy DRM.

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Blame the company for DRM lol. They keep coming up with new ways, that gets cracked again in like a month tops. That is not piracy to blame, it is companies putting the DRM there. They care more about trying to protect their product, than they do about not pissing off the people that actually pay for it. Like I said, if they couldn't get it pirated, they would use GIMP. If enough people just switched to GIMP instead, maybe they would get the message and stop annoying people that do pay for it. Doubt it would happen though.

Obama is just the latest POTUS that the entire entertaiment industry being spearheaded by the likes of The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picure Association of America so that they can shut down illegally available downloadable material which is now about to entre it's fourth decade.

Remember when Lars Ulrich of Metallica sued Napster? Well, that was in 2000 and guess who was POTUS? Clinton. This is not Obama. My house was amongst one of about 350,000 ip's that got banned from Napster.

If you own a hardcopy of the album in question you can legally download it from anywhere as the law states you cannot be double taxed, nor double charged for the same item or product twice, ie, you buy a cd new or used, no entity can make you pay taxes or for the product a second time.

Remember when blank cassette tapes and blank vhs tapes were manufactuered and marketed first in the mid 1980's? That is what started this entire mess. When blank cd's debuted around 2002 it caused more chaos, when blank dvd's were issued around 2003 more controversy, when the iPad and portable mp3 tech hit around 2005 it caused even more chaos so in reality this debate is nothing new and to blame the current POTUS for something that the entire entertainment industry has been pushing since the 1980's.

This is an expansion of something called The Digitial Millenium Copyright Act of 2000.

Existing thread here :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thier are blank CD's out ya know* tapes are so rare now. damn last time i was ever in a music store, was like 2004? at a mall FYI..hadnt been in thier since 1999. 1999, they had tapes and cd's..many tapes. 2004...only tapes left, were literally tapes NO one wanted. xmas from aound the world, xmas with the irish, xmas with the polish lol things like that. i was in stunned awe! and those many were on clearance. the wall of tapes was gone.
lol@keeping finger on recording button i woulda done the same back in the 80's thats what helped sell vcr's..you could record! then technology made it so you could pre prgram to record. thats what i think helped suepr sell the vcr to just about any household...the ability to record. now its like super illegal almost.

What i find arrogent and most intruiging is the economy isnt on good shape( as well all know) the crisis over in japan, and libya..and this is what congress worrys about piracy* talk about not attending to matters that are critical! hugh? how buisness and neglegent.

I believe that this is more of a systemic problem rather than a specific "felonize the pirates" issue. I'd be willing to wager that out of all the computers that sing their electronic signals on the internet that the vast majority of them have at least one or two bits of "pirated" information on them. Can you say fw:fw:fw:fw: emails, "you have to see this"? The point being that if you forward a picture that you didn't take, it's a copyright violation under the bright light of the law. So you have an excellent avenue to tap emails - after all, that's where a lot of unauthorized copy activity happens. So your private conversations are now looked at. The NSA already does this looking for keywords. It's how they catch terrorists.

That being said, copyright laws are now international in nature. If one of my photos are stolen by someone in the UK, I have a recourse country to country. I'm looking at this as another methodology to internationalize the United States law.

Let's look at it in another way. Say you wanted to, as an example, set up a political system so that every country has the exact same laws - you know for a world government. Well, you can't just come out and say "Alright you idiots, your constitution is now abolished, we are Star Fleet". You have to do it via the slippery slope.

There are several avenues that are being used. The executive order is a powerful tool. The White House is working on using an EO to get around that pesky second amendment. The same method can be used for this instance.

The real question is behind the curtain. Who exactly is doing all of this. Is POTUS coming up with this or are others? I believe that this is part of the plan that is being implemented. Critical thought will show the next step in the process. All we have to do is look for it. Then duck.

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They should have a right to protect their copyrighted product. I fully blame the punks who crack it and do illegal things like that for the lulz. Too many people want a free lunch. If the software is quality I don't mind paying for it. I think people should be able to program for a living.

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Enough already.

Science, democracy, humanity - cannot move forward without free and open access to information!

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In accordance with Florida Statute 772.11, you are liable for threefold the actual damages sustained and, in any such action; we are entitled to minimum damages in the amount of $200 and reasonable attorney’s fees and court costs in the trial and appellate courts.

3 times the cd or movie and 200 dollar fine...
that is a big jump to felony just cause its digital downloaded.

www.shelbystar.com...
Woman accused of $800 Walmart theft

A Shelby woman was charged with stealing nearly $800 in goods from Walmart. Tonya Nicole Farmer Vinson, 35, of the 400 block of Hobbes Avenue, stole numerous items from the Walmart Supercenter at 705 E. Dixon Blvd. on Feb. 12, according to a misdemeanor criminal summons. The merchandise had a combined value of $799.66 and was recovered without damage, court documents state. Vinson was served with a summons on a charge of misdemeanor larceny

800 dollars worth of stolen goods from walmart....still not a felony.

Obama and his communist friends make me sick.

Who sells pirated movies nowadays?
i don't know one soul.

Under these new laws it might be considered illegal paraphernalia for owning a blank cd or dvd and a burner.
Just like its a Federal felony to own a money printer for counterfeiting.
The fact is this crazy..
The economy is collapsing ..we are in a war...Nuke plants and earthquakes killing 10k+ people..
and obama bows down to the movie and music industry and kiss's there collective arse's..just like a uncle tom.
I know a homeless guy that could run this country better than he is.

Metallica sued napster what happen to em?
Everyone i know stopped listening to metallica..lars committed band suicide.

BTW guys i go ta AM/FM and tv tuner card in my pc.
I record radio at will.
and then burn it as in the old day with tapes.
Guess thats a felony now to.

Why sell me the technology to do this crap with to make it illegal.
What next kodak suing people for posting pictures of your family on the internet.
Because they own the camera it was took with?
and they owned the film.

Originally posted by 547000
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They should have a right to protect their copyrighted product. I fully blame the punks who crack it and do illegal things like that for the lulz. Too many people want a free lunch. If the software is quality I don't mind paying for it. I think people should be able to program for a living.

edit on 17-3-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)

Have you ever downloaded a pirated version of lets say photoshop ?
If you read the torrent it has a file in there that sometime says.
If you like or enjoy this program support the company that made it buy buying it.
And a lot do end up buying it.
Programs update and the crack doesnt work...People get tired of searching for a new crack for the prog.
And by that time they have got so use to using this program...they buy it to save em the trouble.
win win for the program makers.

Guys, its very simple
If you do not pay buckets and buckets of lobbying money to elected officials everything that you do is illegal!!!

Get with the program!!!!!!

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First you bitch about there being DRM, now you say they have a right to protect their program.... Well I have CS4, DRM never hindered me. Only gripe I have about it is that sometimes it crashes sometimes when dragging things around on a layer. No big deal, I have learned to save every 30 minutes or so, or after I do any major change, and especially before I am going to move something. DRM doesn't stop piracy anyway, so it is pointless, isn't it? As long as there is DRM there will be people cracking it, just because they like the challenge.

I tried CS5 the pirate way for a month when I was considering upgrading. It crashed way more than CS4, piracy saved me a lot of money and headaches once again. I love piracy for that, I never have to worry about buying a digital piece of crap and wasting my time and money.

Actually I take it back, my biggest gripe is that call home bull#. I despise programs that access the internet covertly, easy enough to block with the firewall, if you know about it. Most people are oblivious to it though, and if it can use the net without you knowing, then it can send information too.

Few more points.
First of all DRM and such are a total joke. They only harass and piss off people who paid for the product. Same goes for all copyright protection. It's useless and there has never been one that hasn't been cracked pretty much instantly.
Second some people mention how metallica sued napster. That being kind of ironic considering the band has stolen several of it's songs. It's not about the fans, not about the music. It is all about the money. Not only for the bands but for RIAA etc. too. These lawyer scumbags and others in such business need to work. It's nothing else.
Third whoever mentioned why not buy photoshop. Well most people simply cant afford it. Even the student version costs insane amounts of money that very few students can actually afford. High end products such as ps shouldn't be that big of a deal untill you start making money out of it. No hobbyist is ever gonna pay that much for a program not to mention students, unemployed etc. Meanwhile if they do use it and get used to it and learn it when the time to make money comes then their program of choice will most likely be the one they've used and learned. Same goes for CAD, 3D, video editing etc.

Originally posted by TheAmused


this is gonna get bad communism here we come!!!!!
If you vote obama for a 2nd term i will cuss every one of you obamatards i swear to god lol

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Um? Communism? Do you know what the term means? If anything this is the government excessively siding with corporations to protect at gunpoint one of the few remaining industries left in this nation. This attempting to use excessive penalties to force people back in to the Capitalist system of monetary exchange.

Hate Obama all you want, he's a bit of a schmuck, but don't think that this is a sign of Communism. This is much more similar Fascism.

Originally posted by 547000
Mixed feelings here. I disagree with being able to tap pirates, but I understand, that at least in the software industry, piracy is an issue. I mean, who really owns a legal copy of photoshop? Also with games it is a huge problem, which is why they use more and more annoying DRM mechanisms. If they want free software they should use GNU software.

Any with audiovisual things, not many people would buy DVDs if they can find a free stream of copyrighted material.

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This is useless. What is the point of this? Stopping piracy? ok legit. I am a game developer and I would like people not stealing my software and cloning it or not paying for it.

But really this is major phail.Because it is useless.

PHAIL #1:Get some decent video capture software.

Rent netflix or ANY porn website with legal streaming.

Rip as much as you want to your HDD.

or

Get a TV tuner card and a Digital cable/sat/fios Set-top box.
Rip as much as possible.Oh and they will be MUCH higher quality rips then bittorrent or limewire.

PHAIL #2: Rent block buster and rip a high quality h126/aac off of a blueray or DVD.
Save to your HDD

PHAIL #3:Start a small business and import extremely high volumes of DVD just for $4-6 each sell online for $5-6 + tax +SH.

or

Do surveys or referral,cpa ads on their website. Earn enough "points"(money from ads) to buy a unpirated DVD.
Purchase movie with cpa ad money with no money spent out of pocket.

MORE PHAIL:Sign up for Gamefly.Get a modchip(wii,xbox,playstation) or for PC Curerom/Daemon tools etc. Rip game DVD. Play away.

EXTRA PHAIL:Borrow or trade games from friends.

EVEN MORE PHAIL : Criagslist,ebay,amazon and other auctions you can get it for really low.

Where was the Federal Government in protecting MY copyrighted software???

I bought a new Compaq Presario and 13 months after owning it a little bubble popped up in the lower right hand corner of the screen "Your Version of Windows is not Genuine".....I was like WTF?

The bubble went away and after a few minutes, the computer shut down! I tried restarting it and upon booting I got a window saying "Your version of windows is not Genuine"....wouldn't boot up into the operating system...WTH? Compaq installed Windows, it has to be genuine.

So I called Compaq, "Sorry your warranty ran out 30 days ago, call Microsoft". I call Microsoft and they said to re-install windows. I told them I can't, compaq no longer sends the operating system on CD's with new computers. They said they are using "Windows Genuine Authority" and scanning all computers on the internet, if they see two computers using the same Windows XP key, they disabled both computers. My copy was legit, they said somebody used a Key Generator and likely ended up making up my key....then using it on their bootleg windows XP.

Microsoft said tough luck, I had no access to any data, pictures, files on my legal Copyrighted operating system.

Where was the Federal Government in PROTECTING ME over Copyrighted software?