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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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In the 1970's chemtrails were done by rocket for geomagnetic and atmospheric testing.

Website main page www.dtic.mil...


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Accession Number : AD0724099

Title : Characteristics of Upper Atmosphere Barium, Trimethylaluminum, Diborane and Lithium Releases, 1969.

Descriptive Note : Air Force surveys in geophysics,

Corporate Author : AIR FORCE CAMBRIDGE RESEARCH LABS L G HANSCOM FIELD MASS

Personal Author(s) : Vickery,William K.

Report Date : 26 OCT 1970

Pagination or Media Count : 39

Abstract : The report summarizes the flight and engineering aspects of rocket launches made by the Chemical Physics Branch (USAF Project 7635) during the calendar year 1969, inclusive of TMA vapor release system development flights since 1966, for the purpose of releasing chemicals in the atmosphere at high altitudes. Chemical releases provide means for modification of the upper atmosphere, as well as data on atmospheric dynamics and ionospheric properties from which quantitative understanding of increasing accuracy is derived. Results of this research are relevant to the solution of current Air Force problems, such as the precise prediction of the motion of operational satellites and nuclear debris, or the assessment of the effects of solar bursts and nuclear detonations on the propagation of electromagnetic waves through the ionosphere. The four basic experimental release systems, barium, trimethylaluminum, diborane, and lithium, are designated as individual sections. In addition, information is included regarding new instrumentation tested in some of the flights, in order to improve the acquisition capability of the tracking radar and to transmit vehicle and payload operational data. (Author)

Descriptors : (*UPPER ATMOSPHERE, *ATMOSPHERIC SOUNDING), IONOSPHERIC DISTURBANCES, SOLAR DISTURBANCES, NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS, SOUNDING ROCKETS, BARIUM, LITHIUM, DIBORANES, TABLES(DATA)

Subject Categories : ATMOSPHERIC PHYSICS

Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE





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Observation and theory of the barium releases from the CRRES satellite
by P A Bernhardt, J D Huba, W A Scales, E M Wescott, H C Stenbaek-Nielsen

The relationship between releases of barium from the NASA Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite (CRRES) and enhanced auroral activity is discussed with reference to observational data. Barium releases were conducted at a variety of altitudes and injection velocities, and plasma irregularities are reported as a result of the interactions. Auroral activity increased within 5 min of each release, and references are made to the effects on diamagnetic cavities, bulk ion motion, and stimulated electron and ion precipitation. Artificially created structured diamagnetic cavities are noted for each release, plasma waves are generated by the high-speed ion clouds, and enhanced ionization is found in the critical ionization-velocity process. Barium releases are effective in stimulating electron precipitation, and the observed irregularities are related to cycloid bunching of the initial ion distributions.








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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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So now chemtrails are anything put into teh atmosphere for any purpose at all, not just geoengineering?

I can't keep up with all your changing definitions of chemtrails........so far you haven't included car exhausts and the air people exhale - but I expect you to shortly since they have barium in them too



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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When they deny there is anything going on now, I don't believe them.


Which scientists and which government agencies "deny there is anything going on" with regard to "chemtrails?"

Please elaborate. Or, did you just make this up, as "chemtrail" advocates are so quick to do?

jw



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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reply to post by MathiasAndrew
 

In the 1970's chemtrails were done by rocket for geomagnetic and atmospheric testing.


Mat that is an outright lie, and you know it. If you do not understand what you post, you should find something you do.

No reasonable person claims "chemtrails" were created by rockets and satellites in the 1970s for ionospheric testing.

This is getting more desperately pathetic as "chemtrailers" troll the internet for anything that mentions the atmosphere, aluminum, barium or anything else that scares them.

deny ignorance
jw



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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reply to post by jdub297
 


Maty does - he listed the space shuttle as a chem-plane once!



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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Maty does - he listed the space shuttle as a chem-plane once!


And firefighting airtankers too!

Cant forget about that one...



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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The space shuttle and firefighting planes are absolutely without a doubt chem-planes.

When I listed those they were listed as examples of other types than the normal idea of what a chemtrail is.

But of course none of you ever keep anything in the right context or actually represent the facts correctly.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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reply to post by MathiasAndrew
 

Interesting.
Your references are solid.
Deny ignorance indeed.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
The space shuttle and firefighting planes are absolutely without a doubt chem-planes.

When I listed those they were listed as examples of other types than the normal idea of what a chemtrail is.


You have said that the space shuttle leaves chemtrails eg www.abovetopsecret.com...

indeed the aluminium in solid rocket fuel is part of your evidence that chemtrails exist:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



So there is a top Geo engineering scientist admitting that aluminum is in the space shuttle exhaust. We have now established the existance of aluminum chemtrails in the space shuttle exhaust. Not trying to prove them in Jet air plane engines yet....have we established that "chemtrails" exist at all ?



And I particularly like this message: www.abovetopsecret.com...


EXAMPLES of chemtrails

1 ) Space Shuttle exhaust

2 ) Chemical dumping for extinguishing fires

3 ) Fuel dumping for emergency and other required scenarios

4 ) ICBM exhaust other military rockets

5 ) Cloud seeding by plane and other cloud seeding methods (rockets)

6 ) Other methods used for aerosol Geo engineering (ex. balloons)

7 ) Jet exhaust with anomalous persistent contrails




But of course none of you ever keep anything in the right context or actually represent the facts correctly.


I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of mistaken context in our interpretation of that list - you say, quite specifically, those are all chemtrails.

And you provide a list of purposes too -


PURPOSES in order of my hypothesized reasons and speculations.

1 ) Geo engineering (albedo temp. reduction, solar radiative force reflectivity/absorbing)

2 ) Weather modification (cloud seeding, atmospheric control)

3 ) Satellite image enhancement for understanding weather, ionosphere, magnetosphere)

4 ) Weather warfare (rain forcing and rain prevention, HAARP, satellite/radar image enhancement/reduction)

5 ) Atmospheric alteration into plasma state for secret black aviation projects

6 ) Reduction of the harmful qualities of toxic waste and toxic industrial by products.
(cheap disposal by ignition and dispersal methods)

7 ) Bio and chemical research projects (disease, depopulation)



None of them to do with fighting fires, getting into space, killing bugs......and there's pretty much nothing else in that post that we might have missed......


What was our mistaken context again??!!



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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The second list applies only to # 7 of the first list.

What haven't you misrepresented and taken out of context?


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Some do apply to #5 and #6 but not all.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure I didn't take the first list out of context - ther's nothing else in the post that I can see that contextualises it - and you haven't argued that I did - so therefore I have to conclude that you think the Space shuttle et al make chemtrails.

Especially the Space Shuttle, since you mention it elsewhere too.

Would you like to revise that position now?

Regarding teh 2nd list - sorry for not being psychic - you didn't put that in the post at the time & I couldn't read your mind. So I don't think I took it out of context at all - you said it applied to chemtrails, and you listed all those things that make chemtrails.

It's not my fault that you now realise you made the mistake - be a man and own up to it!



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
The second list applies only to # 7 of the first list.

What haven't you misrepresented and taken out of context?


EDIT
Some do apply to #5 and #6 but not all.
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Would you like to see firefighting aircraft operations ended then?

Why do you not include cars and ships in this too?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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I made no mistakes in either list.

The only possible thing that could be considered a mistake is that I left a few items off the list.

example :
another purpose for chemtrails - keeping debunkers off the unemployment list



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


I made no mistakes in either list.


so therefore you DO think that cloud seeding, firefighting and space shuttles create chemtrails.

So why try to deny it?


So I guess all those reasons DO apply to them too?......how very odd


The only possible thing that could be considered a mistake is that I left a few items off the list.

example :
another purpose for chemtrails - keeping debunkers off the unemployment list


Very droll



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Like before when I posted that list....

I said chemtrails come in many types and have many purposes

Some are good and some are bad.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


I made no mistakes in either list.

The only possible thing that could be considered a mistake is that I left a few items off the list.

example :
another purpose for chemtrails - keeping debunkers off the unemployment list


Sorry, but the only ones making money from chemtrails, are the ones that have been trying to promote chemtrails.

Will Thomas started the hoax, and it wasnt even about persistent contrails then, it was about low level trails, that he ended up never being able to prove so he changed it to being about high altitude trails. When he first started it, he completely acknowledged high altitude trails can persist by turning to cirrus. But he started the hoax about low level trails back around 2000 or 99.



Four years ago I wrote one of the first articles (published in Eco Decision magazine) describing how atmosphere-altering contrails in high-traffic routes such as the Atlantic corridor between the USA and Europe can occasionally persist for hours, forming cirrus-type clouds that drift over a large area. Yet, photographs and videotapes deluging my office clearly show unmarked, all-white KC-135 tanker aircraft laying thick billowing ‘trails over American communities at altitudes below 9,000 feet - where short-lived, ice-crystal “con”densation trails cannot form."


He never did reveal any of this supposed evidence he had and he then switched over to the very same high altitude persistent trails that he initial claimed were normal. But Will Thomas, Len Horowitz, Don Croft, Anthony Hiller, Don Croft, Alex Jones all have tried to make money from the chemtrail hoax. So as long as you try to bring up jobs or money, I will bring up those with a history of trying to fleece people in the name of chemtrails

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posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


I made no mistakes in either list.

The only possible thing that could be considered a mistake is that I left a few items off the list.

example :
another purpose for chemtrails - keeping debunkers off the unemployment list


What about airshow aircraft also? Should they be up on your list too?



posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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double post
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posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 03:29 AM
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Yes you're right they should be on the list.

I told you I left a few types and purposes off the list.



posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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So what you're saying is that your definition of a chemtrail is any substance introduced into the atmosphere by any by form of aircraft, whether intentionally or more often unintentionally as the consequence of propulsion, regardless of whether or not it is visible from the ground.

Given a lot of atmospheric pollution comes from industry, shouldn't that be included as well?

And I suppose toilet waste discarded by in flight aircraft is also a chemtrail?

In any case, you are in direct conflict with almost everyone else who believes in chemtrails and specifically define them as what the rest of us refer to as persistent contrails.

No wonder these threads go round and round and round .....



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