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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Geoengineering by stratospheric sulfur injection


So now tell me how these are to be injected and what type of aircraft are they using? I will give you some time to think about your answer.
Times up...this is very interesting and it answers an interesting question.


Main articles: Geoengineering and Stratospheric sulfur aerosols Military jets or tanker aircraft have been suggested to deliver aerosol precursors to the stratosphere, to reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface.[1]The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in geoengineering projects[2] to limit the effect and impact of climate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.[3] Delivery of precursor sulfide gases such as hydrogen sulfide (H2S) by artillery, aircraft[1] and balloons has been proposed.[4] Tom Wigley calculated the impact of injecting sulfate particles, or aerosols, every one to four years into the stratosphere in amounts equal to those lofted by the volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991,[5] but did not address the many technical and political challenges involved in potential geoengineering efforts.[6] If found to be economically, environmentally and technologically viable, such injections could provide a "grace period" of up to 20 years before major cutbacks in greenhouse gas emissions would be required, he concludes. Direct delivery of precursors is proposed by Paul Crutzen.[1] This would typically be achieved using sulfide gases such as dimethyl sulfide, sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide, or hydrogen sulfide (H2S).[4] These compounds would be delivered using artillery, aircraft (such as the high-flying F15C)[1] or balloons, and result in the formation of compounds with the sulfate anion SO42-.[4]


en.wikipedia.org...(geoengineering)

Artillery aircraft such as a high flying F15 and balloons are a far cry from commercial airliners or private aircrafts now are they not?

One last question for you. I live in the flight path of the worlds busiest airport(Hartsfield/Jackson in Atlanta,Ga) so how do unmarked planes fly through the flight paths without having any identifying numbers or having the FAA approval to fly through these flight paths? Try flying any aircraft through the flight paths of any airport without approval and see what happens.Planes just cannot go flying around all nilly willy without clearance or a flight plan
but I guess chemtrail planes are exempt from filing flight plans, correct?




posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Well I guess your just to smart for the rest of us here.So I have decided to look into your claims about Evergreen and here is what I found..

This is a pic of Evergreens spray plane

www.planepictures.net...

Oh wait thats a picture of a fire fighting super tanker. Also notice that the word Evergreen is painted very clearly on the plane kind of hard not to notice that. In fact why not check this out it is a breakdown of the Evergreen fleet.

www.airfleets.net...



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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You believe some idiots on UTube, despite ALL OF THE EVIDENCE shown you, already, that those videos are BUNK????


Pinal Airpark revisted ...



HAVE YOU been there, yourself? I want to know. I want you to go there, for YOURSELF!!! It's not all that far, for you...considering this is a world-wide internet Board and community. You could hop on a Virgin America flight from SFO (or OAK or SJC) to PHX .... or to TUS (if they service Tucson....I know SouthWest does, so that's another option).

Both of those airlines are "discount" carriers.

Of course, like so many "chemmies", this fantasy is important.....and NO amount of facts, evidence and science that prove "chem"-trails are a HOAX will get in the way of those "beliefs"....

So terribly, terribly sad.........


edit on 2 April 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
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Pinal Airpark is the home of Evergreen Aircraft Maintenance Facility

Those jets with no engines aren't the only ones there. Your argument is foolish at best.



in addition to the planes being disassembled and sold for parts, are the ones totally just being scrapped, there are aircraft there in long term storage and planes for sale

However, what do all of those have in common? They sit there, parked, for years. I am not sure parked aircraft that do not move, can be doing your spraying. Funny how thats all you have too, pictures of stored parked and disassembed aircraft, not videos of aircraft taking off, or coming back into land.

But in chemmieland, it does not matter. It can be whatever it is you want it to be, so if it requires posting doctored photos, and videos of aircraft in pieces, its all fine to them. i guess we now have to include F/A-18 Hornets as chemplane too, now that he brings up Lemoore NAS



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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I figured that his little interesting post would get things going. I am dumbfounded as to how he keeps posting the same videos even after they have been shown to be wrong. I guess some learn faster then others. The thing that amuses me is the fact that he as even said it himself that geoengineering is a theory yet he insists that it is happening in real time. Hard to play both sides and be right, but he does try hard at it.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by firepilot
 


I figured that his little interesting post would get things going. I am dumbfounded as to how he keeps posting the same videos even after they have been shown to be wrong. I guess some learn faster then others. The thing that amuses me is the fact that he as even said it himself that geoengineering is a theory yet he insists that it is happening in real time. Hard to play both sides and be right, but he does try hard at it.


And on top of that, he is insisting that the interior 777 from airliners.net, is the doctored one, and the one that chemmies pass around, is the real one.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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I have asked him a question in an earlier post about how do unmarked planes fly around busy airports without having flight plans or even markings that would show any identifying numbers. I live in the flight path of the busiest airport in the world(Hartsfield/Jackson in Atlanta,Ga) and find it very difficult to see any plane flying around unmarked and no flight plan sent to the FAA. What would happen if you flew any aircraft near a major airport without permission or identifying marks on a plane and what would happen when you did land? My guess is a whole lotta something you don't want to happen with a lot of legal problems that you couldn't get away with.
edit on 2-4-2011 by tsurfer2000h because: added text



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Lol. SOME PEOPLE MUST BE GETTING PAID TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH ON HERE BECAUSE THEY REALLY JUST DONT WANT YOU TO QUESTIONS THINGS AND LOOK TO THINGS TO HELP YOU FIND THE TRUTH. LOOK INTO THE THINGS BEFORE YOU GO OFF OF SOMEONES COMMENT BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST BE TRYING TO MISS LEAD YOU



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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I have asked him a question in an earlier post about how do unmarked planes fly around busy airports without having flight plans or even markings that would show any identifying numbers. I live in the flight path of the busiest airport in the world(Hartsfield/Jackson in Atlanta,Ga) and find it very difficult to see any plane flying around unmarked and no flight plan sent to the FAA. What would happen if you flew any aircraft near a major airport without permission or identifying marks on a plane and what would happen when you did land? My guess is a whole lotta something you don't want to happen with a lot of legal problems that you couldn't get away with.



You do realize that we are talking about a group of people that make the rules and break them with impunity right? How many big bankers are in jail for obviously illegal activity? A few token ones maybe but rules mean nothing to to the people in power, CIA included. How about the Black Helicopters? They don't have markings and I have seen them up close and personal on several different occasions. A weak argument at best.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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reply to post by coyotepoet
 


I realize this post was NOT addressed to me, but I have to jump in....


To make such 'claims' as you did displays an ignorance of reality, and the VERY REAL air traffic control standards that are in place, day in, day out....

....(OH and those STANDARDS are not just casually vacated, and made absent, to comply with YOUR odd 'conspiracy theory'......)



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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To make such 'claims' as you did displays an ignorance of reality, and the VERY REAL air traffic control standards that are in place, day in, day out.... ....(OH and those STANDARDS are not just casually vacated, and made absent, to comply with YOUR odd 'conspiracy theory'......)


I do understand that there are air traffic control standards but that's not necessarily what I was arguing. Are you arguing that there aren't powerful groups of people that make and break the laws with impunity? Are you arguing that there aren't unmarked helicopters that I have seen with my eyes?

And you really couldn't let it go without the judgmental use of the the emotional charged words of "ignorance" and "odd?" Because that just really amounts to impolite name calling.


edit on 2-4-2011 by coyotepoet because: last sentence



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Are you arguing that there aren't powerful groups of people that make and break the laws with impunity?


I AM merely telling YOU THE FACTS.

You went on, after the bit I didn't quote, about "helicopters" and such....get a grip, please. Try to step OUT of the paranoia, and into the science and logic....JOIN the rest of us in clarity.


OH! I know.....THAT last is going to "break open" the next phase of paranoia.....is my prediction....well....

LOOK!! IF YOU want to be "paranoid"? Do so to your heart's content!! The rest of us will just laugh at you....sorry, but this is the tragic truth.......already, we LAUGH and chuckle at these stupid claims. HENCE the few punking videos, to spool you up.....guess you aren't getting the "joke"......weeellllll....WE ARE!!! LOL!!!!



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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I think we all might be needing one of these real soon. Be prepared.





posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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I think you are the most paranoid of the whole bunch.

You're afraid the truth will come out.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Just wait until you hear the ridiculous excuses for this military SNAFU





posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Pinal Airpark is an active maintenance and repair facility used by Evergreen Aviation.

www.evergreenaviation.com...

Commercial airlines, aircraft leasing companies, and leading government agencies entrust heavy maintenance work to Evergreen Maintenance Center (EMC). Located in Marana, Arizona, the EMC is one of the largest full-service commercial maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities in the United States. Consisting of three maintenance hangars and a large maintenance flight line, the Evergreen Maintenance Center also operates the Pinal Air Park and its 6,850-foot runway rated for Boeing 747-400 through 747-8 aircraft. With 20 million square feet of ramp and storage area able to accommodate up to 400 aircraft, the EMC also holds the distinction as the largest commercial aircraft storage facility with heavy maintenance services in the world.


Pinal Airpark revisited 2010 update
www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Try to step OUT of the paranoia, and into the science and logic....JOIN the rest of us in clarity. OH! I know.....THAT last is going to "break open" the next phase of paranoia.....is my prediction....well.... LOOK!! IF YOU want to be "paranoid"? Do so to your heart's content!! The rest of us will just laugh at you....sorry, but this is the tragic truth.......already, we LAUGH and chuckle at these stupid claims. HENCE the few punking videos, to spool you up.....guess you aren't getting the "joke"......weeellllll....WE ARE!!! LOL!!!!


Nope, I guess you aren't able to carry on a communication without being rude, judgemental, and dismissive. But then I already knew that.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Of course, like so many "chemmies", this fantasy is important.....and NO amount of facts, evidence and science that prove "chem"-trails are a HOAX will get in the way of those "beliefs"....


What facts and evidence? So far the only people who have presented any facts and evidence are the "chemmies".

All of you "con-nies" have done is talk in circles and insult people. SHOW ME SOME PROOF IT"S A HOAX



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
 

That video has been debunked in numerous other threads, already. The initial premise, as stated at the outset is IMPOSSIBLE!! It proposes a "plan" to include aluminum in Jet Fuel! Cannot occur. This has been covered at great length, in other ATS threads already.


Yesterday, you started your same old debunking techniques in a new thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

After 3 people including the OP posted you started to negate valid evidence with complete and out right lies.

weedwhacker IMO you are the only thing that has been DEBUNKED.

The only thing IMO that is impossible now is believing a word you say.



posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Proof that aluminum can be put in jet fuel. Don't try to change your story or play word game semantics.

You completely lied and pretended to be the ultimate authority, while you insulted people again from the start.

You can take credit for being my inspiration to investigate this topic.

oai.dtic.mil...

Aluminum soap demisting agent in jet fuel
www.patentstorm.us...


Aluminum nano particles for jet fuel
www.airmanonline.af.mil...


The research team recently produced aluminum nano-particles in the laboratory to test the material's ability to boost the energy content of aircraft fuel. Because the surface area of the aluminum dominates on the nano scale, the material is very reactive to air and water. The particles theoretically would boost the energy density of JP-8 jet fuel by 10 percent and increase its stability at higher temperatures.




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