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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by rutters1983
Hi

I dont really know a lot about chemtrails so i thought i would post some photos i took.

I was watching tv and heard a very loud bang so thought i would look out the windows to see if i could see any thing and i saw what looked like a chemtrail coming straight down.




now zoomed in



it most likely not related but just seemed odd.



Serious, look at this, i filmed this years ago!




posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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it looks almost the same at 4.25. Yours has the same angle change at the top as in my photo.

(if you had sound i couldn't hear it as i have no speakers on work computer)



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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That trail isn't necessarily going "straight down", but could simply be a plane flying away from you and toward the horizon (or maybe a plane coming from the horizon and flying toward you).


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: speling



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Grifter.be
 

That trail isn't necessarily going "straight down", but could simply be a plane flying away from you and toward the horizon (or maybe a plane coming from the horizon and flying toward you).


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: speling

I never said it was going straight down. What i find strange, is the angle of the trail. The spin-turns it takes toward the end...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
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I agree with you Tecumte. The fuel being used by certain planes and the exhaust those jets put out needs to be examined more closely if we are ever to get the answers we are seeking. We can not rule out this possibility. New engines and modified engines are being built and installed. These could easily operate on a modified fuel. Boeing has been trying to design some engines that using a 50/50 mix of diesel and bio fuel. They could also easily be working on designs that use a cloud forming fuel.

And can you give me more information as to which kind of trail to expect from each different type of fuel? Which fuel will make a trail that persists, and which trail would make a trail that would only last a few minutes? What additive to the fuel is actually creating this extra-long trail, and why does this additive react with the air like that?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Grifter.be

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Grifter.be
 

That trail isn't necessarily going "straight down", but could simply be a plane flying away from you and toward the horizon (or maybe a plane coming from the horizon and flying toward you).


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: speling

I never said it was going straight down. What i find strange, is the angle of the trail. The spin-turns it takes toward the end...


I'm sorry -- that was "rutters1983" who said:

I was watching tv and heard a very loud bang so thought i would look out the windows to see if i could see any thing and i saw what looked like a chemtrail coming straight down.

I see now that you were quoting his post.


As for the turn, are there any aviators out there who can tell me if this is an abnormal turn for a plane to make?


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Grifter.be

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Grifter.be
 

That trail isn't necessarily going "straight down", but could simply be a plane flying away from you and toward the horizon (or maybe a plane coming from the horizon and flying toward you).


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: speling

I never said it was going straight down. What i find strange, is the angle of the trail. The spin-turns it takes toward the end...


I'm sorry -- that was "rutters1983" who said:

I was watching tv and heard a very loud bang so thought i would look out the windows to see if i could see any thing and i saw what looked like a chemtrail coming straight down.

I see now that you were quoting his post.


As for the turn, are there any aviators out there who can tell me if this is an abnormal turn for a plane to make?


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)


I never said it WAS coming straight down i said it looked like it was coming straight down.

If you read the begining of my post i state i dont know much about chemtrails. I just thought i would share the photo, if you look in the first pic you can see two planes very high up and the one that LOOKS like it is coming straight down is very low. Im not 100% sure on this but i didn't think plans could leave chemtrails that low



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by rutters1983
Hi

I dont really know a lot about chemtrails so i thought i would post some photos i took.

I was watching tv and heard a very loud bang so thought i would look out the windows to see if i could see any thing and i saw what looked like a chemtrail coming straight down.




now zoomed in



it most likely not related but just seemed odd.



Well, just wait until you see literally dozens and dozens of those just like that at all angles and cross overs and x's and o's all made within hours by jets looking like their pilots had one too many at the airport lounge and these trails blot out the entire sky in a white out. All the while 'well behaved' pilots fly more 'regular' patterns right throough the soup leaving only quickly disapating contrails. While it doesn't nesessarily 'prove' anything in and of itself, it surely is enough to make me question and look further.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by rutters1983
If you read the begining of my post i state i dont know much about chemtrails. I just thought i would share the photo, if you look in the first pic you can see two planes very high up and the one that LOOKS like it is coming straight down is very low. Im not 100% sure on this but i didn't think plans could leave chemtrails that low


That plane could be at the same altitude all the way to the horizon. It may only look like it is going straight down because it could be flying directly away from you, over the horizon (or towards you -- but my guess is away). It may not be changing altitude at all.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

I got blocked from that channel for daring to suggest an answer......I wonder if Matty would??


That is all part of Rod Hilderman's agenda. He thrives on blocking and then informing everybody that he is being targeted by disinfo agents. I spent some time about a year ago contacting some of those people who were praising Rod for presenting the 'evidence' in the various videos. It was amazing the amount of people that replied back and realised that they had been duped. They had absolutely no idea that airliners could carry such vibrant colour schemes and also that some schemes were unique and easily identifiable to one registered aircraft.

Here is one shape shifting fake chemtrail plane caught by Rod. His evidence busted it! You have got to see the comments left?



TJ



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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It's not all that unusual to see aircraft change direction in flight. And obviously if they're producing a contrail, that will show it up.



Mind, this one is a bit odd - looks like the aircraft vanished in a puff of smoke!





posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
The activity above where I live 125 miles from any major airport, can best be described I think occasionally like a stirred up nest of hornets, the planes look to me like the pilots had one too many airport cocktails and are flying planes without any destination, engines smoking as badly as an old car with worn out rings and occasionally at very low altitudes.( Yes I realize this is subjective but this is an honest attempt to convey what I'm seeing) Remember I am 125 miles from any major airport, in a mostly rural area, so it is doubtful (but not impossible) the activity of all of these dozens of planes flying their acrobatic manuevers is due to holding patterns, also many turn and fly off in an opposite direction and disappear.


This is where it all falls apart for people making these claims. Look back at posts from ATS poster 'djcarlosa'. He was totally unaware that he lived under a busy transatlantic upper air route. He too is under the impression that the flights above him are heading nowhere and not in the direction of airports. You will see this claim from countless others who try to analyse without checking the facts.

Some people making these claims simply mis-inform, or won't reveal their location. That is up to them, but if they were truly honest they would. Rod Hilderman films under a busy ATC route day after day filming his fake planes. In his case it is a target rich environment. So, honestly where do you live? Even a county, state or shire to narrow it down a bit. Have you any videos or images to share? As I stated before it is amazing how many people are simply unaware of the ATC zones and routes above them. Be honest and let others have the chance to examine the data and info?

TJ



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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True --

I live a little over 100 miles from the major New York metro airports (Kennedy, LaGuardia, and Newark). I'm west of them, but under the main east-west air route for planes using those airports. During peak flight times, I can have a plane flying over me every two minutes, even though I'm over 100 miles away (although it averages to only one every 5 or 10 minutes, depending on the time of day).

The bottom line is that I can have several dozen contrail-producing passenger jets flying over me every day using airports that are 100 miles away.

There are planes form my local regional airport, also. However, that regional airport is too close (less than 15 miles away) for planes using it to be high enough to make contrails.


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Grifter.be
 

That trail isn't necessarily going "straight down", but could simply be a plane flying away from you and toward the horizon (or maybe a plane coming from the horizon and flying toward you).


edit on 3/28/2011 by Soylent Green Is People because: speling


It could also be a trail going straight up and that would be pretty unusual behaiior for a passenger jet wouldn't it depending upon where this picture was taken. The really strange behavior though is watching these guys come out in droves on a clear blue sky morning and flying in x's and o's and right at each other and beside each other and within a few hours whiting out the entire sky horizon to horizon, all the while other jet traffic flys right though the soup in straight flight patterns leaving only quickly dispating trails. Something to watch for.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by tommyjo

Originally posted by Tecumte
The activity above where I live 125 miles from any major airport, can best be described I think occasionally like a stirred up nest of hornets, the planes look to me like the pilots had one too many airport cocktails and are flying planes without any destination, engines smoking as badly as an old car with worn out rings and occasionally at very low altitudes.( Yes I realize this is subjective but this is an honest attempt to convey what I'm seeing) Remember I am 125 miles from any major airport, in a mostly rural area, so it is doubtful (but not impossible) the activity of all of these dozens of planes flying their acrobatic manuevers is due to holding patterns, also many turn and fly off in an opposite direction and disappear.


This is where it all falls apart for people making these claims. Look back at posts from ATS poster 'djcarlosa'. He was totally unaware that he lived under a busy transatlantic upper air route. He too is under the impression that the flights above him are heading nowhere and not in the direction of airports. You will see this claim from countless others who try to analyse without checking the facts.

Some people making these claims simply mis-inform, or won't reveal their location. That is up to them, but if they were truly honest they would. Rod Hilderman films under a busy ATC route day after day filming his fake planes. In his case it is a target rich environment. So, honestly where do you live? Even a county, state or shire to narrow it down a bit. Have you any videos or images to share? As I stated before it is amazing how many people are simply unaware of the ATC zones and routes above them. Be honest and let others have the chance to examine the data and info?

TJ


You tell me step by step exactly how to post my pics and I'll be more than happy to share. Sound good?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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It "could be". Or it "could be" some strange and rare long thin (natural) cloud. Or it "could be" a rocket launch. However, there is no reason to believe that it isn't simply the very common everyday sight of a plane flying to the horizon.

Rutters1983 mentioned that he thought the trail looked odd, and I simply explained that the trail does not look at all odd, and in fact looks like perfectly normal contrail.

There are always "could be"s. However, when someone is wondering if a certain everyday phenomenon is "odd", why not illustrate that it is not "odd" by explaining how trails like that can be explaining it using a common everyday occurrence?

The bottom line being that the trail is NOT odd.


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
You tell me step by step exactly how to post my pics and I'll be more than happy to share. Sound good?


Pasting pictures in here is a right royal PITA until you get the hang of it - you have my sympathy!!

You have to load the picture into ATS - you do this through the TOOLS item on the menu bar - it is next to "myATS".

then in the TOOL menus select "pictures". You may have to login again at this point IIRC, so do so if required.

afte that you choose "upload picture" on the left and go through the procedure.

THEN to actually include in your message you click on your picture where you have uploaded it and you get 3 options/addresses underneath it - 1 for using it as an avatar, 1 for using it as a mini-profile background, and 1 for embedding it in an ATS message.

Copy the one for embedding - it will start with atsimg in square brackets (I can't write it properly 'cos it tries to read it as a picture
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NOW go back to you message, press the "image" button, and paste the full address into the dialogue bar when it asks, and close.

then we get to see your photos



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tecumte
It could also be a trail going straight up and that would be pretty unusual behaiior for a passenger jet wouldn't it


Not so much unusual as impossible (Matty - here's another thing I say is impossible!), which for me would be an immediate indication that that is not what it is!!

There' a couple of pages at Contrail Science that explain why contrails sometimes look like htey aer vertical, and "coming out of the sea" and suchlike -

contrails are usually horizontal

the infamous LA "missile" - 2 occurences, almost a year apart

aother "missile"



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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REALLY?!? Is it really THAT hard to understand??



Well, just wait until you see literally dozens and dozens of those just like that at all angles and cross overs and x's and o's all made within hours by jets looking like their pilots had one too many at the airport lounge....


Again, with the IGNORANCE....and INSULTING to boot!


Well, such insults require a firm hand, and "tough love" in return:


You're in the UK, right? DO you drive? Does your country have roadways? DO those roadways have bends? DO they have intersections, where they cross? Do have even the faintest, slightest inkling of how silly this looks, when you write crap like that??


For the UMPTEENTH time....this video, just to focus on YOUR one little country. (Oh, and how equally stupid is a recent comment on that video, I have just spotted. Let's see if anyone else can catch it):



Firstly....do you understand what that is showing? One day -- 24 hours -- radar (GPS) traces of flights in the UK airspace. It is showing ALL altitudes, and of course, you realize it is sped up, timewise? (I hope this is bleedin' obvious!). Showing the same thing, in real-time would be less effective, yes? And, incredibly boring, yes??


OK....what is it showing? Care to discuss? Or, to refute? Because, if there is anything you don't understand, for whatever reason, get it out now.



.... and these trails blot out the entire sky in a white out.


BULL!!! That is nonsense. You ARE aware of something known as "weather", right? Do you have weather where you live? Does it ever cloud up...as when fronts are approaching? DO you see......you are making the biggest fallacious argument of all. "Because" it gets cloudy, you then "think"....

...."Oh, Blimey!! Airplanes flew over my head!! Well then, they must be responsible for the clouds! Certainly there is NO WAY that clouds would form otherwise...never before in history, before airplanes were invented, were there clouds, or rain, or fog...."


(Silly enough for you yet?)


Now, this bit....I say "Huh" and marvel at it....


All the while 'well behaved' pilots fly more 'regular' patterns right throough the soup ....


"soup"?

That is usually a layperson's term for "fog"....or, low visibility due to clouds and fog. SO, begs the question.....how do you see these airplanes in all of that "soup"??



Enquiring minds wish to know........



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Tecumte
You tell me step by step exactly how to post my pics and I'll be more than happy to share. Sound good?


Pasting pictures in here is a right royal PITA until you get the hang of it - you have my sympathy!!

You have to load the picture into ATS - you do this through the TOOLS item on the menu bar - it is next to "myATS".

then in the TOOL menus select "pictures". You may have to login again at this point IIRC, so do so if required.

afte that you choose "upload picture" on the left and go through the procedure.

THEN to actually include in your message you click on your picture where you have uploaded it and you get 3 options/addresses underneath it - 1 for using it as an avatar, 1 for using it as a mini-profile background, and 1 for embedding it in an ATS message.

Copy the one for embedding - it will start with atsimg in square brackets (I can't write it properly 'cos it tries to read it as a picture
)

NOW go back to you message, press the "image" button, and paste the full address into the dialogue bar when it asks, and close.

then we get to see your photos


Thanks, much appreciated, I'll give it a try after I round up some of the pics i have.



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