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Originally posted by gloomyblue707
reply to post by Argyll
you should re read half of what i wrote here on this thread if you are wondering that... i came to this thread to debate with other chemtrail believers about chemtrails and the reality of ... share experiences or new info ...not asked tons of questions by people like you... or thrown tons of info why they cannot be real... its purpose from then on about the 5 or 6 members i seen on this thread is to completely throw off discussion of real chemtrails to engage members why they arent real or to ask for proof... lol so dont be surprised that i cringe as i type this to you.
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew In the mean time I suggest everyone interested should listen to the ATS live podcast replay on chemtrails. Here is the link to the thread that contains the interview with "What in the World are they spraying" producer Michael J Murphy. The interview with Murphy begins in the second hour at approximately 1:01:40 enjoy. I would love to hear everyones comments on this interview. www.abovetopsecret.com...
Absolutely amazing video.
As the member responsible for bringing the good doctor Lenny Thyme and Mr. Murphy to ATS I am saddened by the actions that happened.
I am also saddened that ATS chose to close my thread where were were getting answers from a real life chemist. We are are supposed to deny ignorance but instead we shut off a source of knowledge.
There has been a lot worse bickering than was going on in that thread (also derailed by "debunkers"). The info in it is still availble here: link.edit on 21-3-2011 by pianopraze because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
Hi, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully that will settle down the tone of this thread. I understand that this is a highly contested and at times a very heated debate of what I consider to be a very important issue concerning everyone on this planet. But in regards to all persons involved in this debate, I would hope that we can remain calm and respectful of one another.
I am also saddened and disappointed to hear that your thread with the good Dr. Lenny Thyme was closed. I have only just recently been made aware of some of the facts in regards to this issue . Due to your efforts in bringing his expertise and knowledge to ATS and I thank you for your excellent contributions and efforts. Would you please , carefully as to not offend anyone, expand on the circumstances under which your thread was removed. I would also love to hear more about your connection and involvement with bringing those two extinguished gentlemen to the ATS forum and ATS live broadcast. Once again great job. S&F
I do love ATS and respect the moderators and owners and the wonderful job they do. I do disagree with some things I've seen. I do see T&C violations all the time that are not addressed even when flagged which are one line, off topic, and hostile/mocking. While those with another view are removed for far, far less. This favoritism is distressing.
Originally posted by General.Lee
As far as definitive "proof", the only real "proof" we can get is video of somebody adding stuff to fuel and signing an affidavit stating that they are adding chemicals to the fuel to make chemtrails. And of course, if it's on Youtube, nobody will believe it because its, well, on Youtube. In other words, there will never be "good enough" proof for some people. And they believe our lack of proof in fact "proves" their position, that there aren't chemtrails.
Sometimes you can use deductive reasoning to reach a reasonable conclusion. My reasoning tells me that if two high altitude aircraft fly through clear blue skys, and one leaves a "normal" contrail, disappearing after a mile or two and another leaves a chemtrail, continuing as far as the eye can see, then spreading out like a blanket to create an overcast, there is clearly a significant difference in what those two aircraft are putting into the air.
The fact is, sometimes in life, quite frequently in fact, you don't need a degree in something to draw conclusions. I don't need a degree to utilize common sense and deductive reasoning.
Personally, I will continue to take pictures and videos and be observant and draw my own conclusions. I don't need to be validated by those who argue that the "sky is red".
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
...At the moment I am having alot of trouble getting to sleep so last night I used that time to think over the question you put to me as to why I think they are doing it and I can think of only 2 reasons why that have any real merit.
1. to reduce climate change after all if sea levels where to rise by 7 meters our living space would be greatly reduced.
2. they are trying to hide something going on in space that is only visible during the day.
the danger to people in general I have already spoke about and we can put these down to side effects.