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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by firepilot
 


So what you are saying is that my friend with his 15 years serving our country in the RAF is wrong and you are right?
Its good to know that we have such a fine expert on here perhaps your talents could be put to a better use.
I would also like to add that in the world we live in and the tighter controls in air plane emissions then I'm sure we should be seeing less contrails rather than long lasting ones.
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I would go so far to say that ...yes, your friend in the RAF is wrong, contrails can last far longer than 10 mins and that is a scientific fact.

When fuel manufacturers have worked out a way to remove moisture, or halt the chemical process that allows fuel to generate moisture during combustion and exhaust, then we will see less contrails in our skies.




posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Read the post properly you will see that he said that contrails can last from 5 min's to an hour depending on the temp of the air the plane travels through but from ground level should only be visible for 10 mins.
And no offence I've know him most of my life so don't take it personally if I choose to take his word over yours.
After all unless you have more years than he dose around air planes you have no right to question his honesty or his experience in this matter.

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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by Argyll
 


Read the post properly you will see that he said that contrails can last from 5 min's to an hour depending on the temp of the air the plane travels through but from ground level should only be visible for 10 mins.
And no offence I've know him most of my life so don't take it personally if I choose to take his word over yours.
After all unless you have more years than he dose around air planes you have no right to question his honesty or his experience in this matter.

edit on 18-3-2011 by djcarlosa because: added info


Its pointless to try to argue second hand statements made by someone who is not here. That statement makes no sense that it would persist but not be visible, does something magical happen to it?

You can see trails from a hundred miles away, and there are so many instances of people talking about trails persisting for hours. There have been scientific studies of it for DECADES. However, science, data does not matter, you would rather talk about feelings and perceptions, since the data and science does not back up your chemtrail conspiracy.

How about this. I am guessing you did not tell him what you were actually asking, you were being indirect hoping to get something to support your religion. Asking directly if he thinks persistent contrails mean aircraft are spraying people. If you arente going to ask him that, then its all pointless anyways
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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That was not the point I was making to you and if you are as smart as you claim to be then maybe you will go back and read what I wrote and give me an answer point 2.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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I am vacationing in Cancun for couple of months - it is amazing living in California and British Columbia used to seeing all planes have chemtrails. There are at least 50 planes on a daily basis passing over the beautiful blue sky here and NONE of them have chemtrails.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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also I answered your last point in an earlier post too and why I went with asking him what contrail's are and how long they last before I sent him the vid I took for him to review take a look at that post and maybe that will answer your last question



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by Argyll
 


Read the post properly you will see that he said that contrails can last from 5 min's to an hour depending on the temp of the air the plane travels through but from ground level should only be visible for 10 mins.
And no offence I've know him most of my life so don't take it personally if I choose to take his word over yours.
After all unless you have more years than he dose around air planes you have no right to question his honesty or his experience in this matter.

edit on 18-3-2011 by djcarlosa because: added info


Okay, I can live with you siding with your mate


Tell me then, or ask your friend, since it is patently obvious that contrails do indeed persist for many hours when the atmospheric conditions are conducive, if it is not simply moisture from the exhaust fumes that is forming ice crystals at around temps of -50C at heights of around 30-35,000 feet (approx 7 miles) then what "chemical" is it?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Yes I agree you can really tell the difference but that won't stop them saying that the air over there is special so contrail's cant persist.
I noticed the lack of spray planes today and the temp has been the same for the last 4 day's and the planes going over followed the flight route as normal and there contrail's lasted about 2 min's there where no planes criss crossing the sky and as I've been told I'm under a busy plane route where were all these planes or was it a low air traffic day.
Maybe because it is comic relief and alot of people outside doing thing's to raise money and they thought it might be best not to spray after all more people out and about the chemtrail's might become more noticed.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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No offence, but you really have to grasp the fact that temperatures in the upper atmosphere really don't bear any relevance to the temps at ground level, the temps at ground level can be consistent for days on end, but 7 miles straight up.....they can, along with the humidity, can be very different



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by true-life
 


Yes I agree you can really tell the difference but that won't stop them saying that the air over there is special so contrail's cant persist.
I noticed the lack of spray planes today and the temp has been the same for the last 4 day's and the planes going over followed the flight route as normal and there contrail's lasted about 2 min's there where no planes criss crossing the sky and as I've been told I'm under a busy plane route where were all these planes or was it a low air traffic day.
Maybe because it is comic relief and alot of people outside doing thing's to raise money and they thought it might be best not to spray after all more people out and about the chemtrail's might become more noticed.


can you really tell us, with certainly that the upper air conditions have remained consisted over the last few days, with no change in conditions that would apply to contrails?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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I have not talked about chemtrail's with him I've only sent him the vid and asked him what he thought and he feels that it was strange and he would keep an eye on the sky and get back to me.
I feel that this way he can study with an open mind after all I want him to come back to me with his answer and I know it will be honest and unbiased.
Now I know that I post my views here but that's because it's a thread on chemtrail's but I don't expect anyone to side with me but what I do expect is to have the ability to openly discuss the subject and have my evidence reviewed instead of dismissed out of hand.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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OK I concede the conditions in the upper atmosphere may have been different but it's interesting you made no comment on the other point I made in that post.
Pick holes in what you can and sidestep the rest or just ignore it.
You should keep track of what you say when answering questions so that when you sidestep it don't come up and bite you in the ass.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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dude where is your thought train u skip around as if it makes sense Rome is my absolute favorite subject you’ve insulted intelligence with your i be sparing vaguely scattered determinations



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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and how did he become the figure head may i ask?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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im back on topic im not bebating the obvious off topic i dont know how i got wrapped up in that nonsense o wait i do it was ........................................


sorry mods
i know i get loopy when people attempt this kinda stuff Bad On Me
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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I don't doubt that you may know alot on that subject but that fact still remains he was taken out because he wanted absolute power therefore he didn't have that power and full control over the Roman empire.
Also it would help your cause if you took the time to read posts properly before you post reply's and miss quote.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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okay so your a very observant reader who has chosen to selectively read the post between us that we are now making no sense about and treading water yes he was taken out of power for many more reasons then angry senators who then were also the land owners and merchants of power but if i ask u how did he get to power then we will be where we started you are wrong and that stuff about the navy is just wrong reason at best or a personal opiion of a history Buff far from a fact sorry your freind has got u playin middle man ive been banned usually theres a good reason he should try saying hello to the mods rather then gettin u involved in his opinions ive been simply scanning your recent posts so dont worry i know what we r talikng about however they have nothting to do with the discussion at hand i am seriously not even understanding why you think the well sensatioalist and expect me to be leave your words yes the rich influence society
but that is not the end of the line its part of it
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by Argyll
 


I have not talked about chemtrail's with him I've only sent him the vid and asked him what he thought and he feels that it was strange and he would keep an eye on the sky and get back to me.
I feel that this way he can study with an open mind after all I want him to come back to me with his answer and I know it will be honest and unbiased.
Now I know that I post my views here but that's because it's a thread on chemtrail's but I don't expect anyone to side with me but what I do expect is to have the ability to openly discuss the subject and have my evidence reviewed instead of dismissed out of hand.


You do have the ability to openly discuss this subject!, and your evidence is not being dismissed out of hand.........at least no more than mine is!

I have noticed on this thread the number of "believers" who seem to consider themselves as some sort of victims!, why is it that "believers" think that anyone with conflicting views is a dis-info agent or government shill?.....why the talk of sceptics attending "secret meetings" to discuss their agenda? ( yes I know this was said tongue in cheek!)

The point I'm making is that here on this thread, the majority of posters who believe in the "chemtrail" story, consider that they are fighting some sort of crusade, and that all dissenters are paid agents, whilst the majority of posters who offer an educated scientific view, do so without accusing anyone of anything other than misguided ignorance.....and I don't use the term ignorance in a derogatory way.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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The video was a prank by a USAF KC-10 crew member and his colleagues on the Chemical Trail conspiracy people. The person named Tim posted the video on his You Tube Channel USAFFEKC10 in July 2010. The channel is now disabled although the chemtrail believers have set a channel up with this name. The chemtrail people fell for it hook line and sinker and it was reposted as evidence that USAF Pilots were spraying chemtrails.

Originally posted on the KC-10 crewman's You Tube Channel.

"The truth is, the video is real and unedited but the title was created to poke fun at the chemtrail people. All this video shows is a couple of KC-10's flying in formation. When I saw the contrails coming from the lead KC-10 I pulled out my video camera knowing I was going to pull this prank and the pilots played along. So there you have it. It's just a prank on all the chemtrailers.sorry,

-Tim"

The Chemtrailers still won't accept that it was a hoax.


TJ
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by tommyjo
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The video was a prank by a USAF KC-10 crew member and his colleagues on the Chemical Trail conspiracy people. The person named Tim posted the video on his You Tube Channel USAFFEKC10 in July 2010. The channel is now disabled although the chemtrail believers have set a channel up with this name. The chemtrail people fell for it hook line and sinker and it was reposted as evidence that USAF Pilots were spraying chemtrails.

Originally posted on the KC-10 crewman's You Tube Channel.

"The truth is, the video is real and unedited but the title was created to poke fun at the chemtrail people. All this video shows is a couple of KC-10's flying in formation. When I saw the contrails coming from the lead KC-10 I pulled out my video camera knowing I was going to pull this prank and the pilots played along. So there you have it. It's just a prank on all the chemtrailers.sorry,

-Tim"

The Chemtrailers still won't accept that it was a hoax.


TJ
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I know, the guy even admits it was a hoax, he even said so on ATS, but the chemmies absolutely refuse to believe it was a hoax and to them, this is their biggest video of all time. Of course it shows how totally out to lunch many of them are.

And even when I pointed out how the Tanker Enemy clowns intentionally mislabeled parts of the aircraft as spray nozzles, and I put up a photo of the same kind of plane that would illustrate that, they thought it could not be the same type, even thought the DC-10 series is extremely recognizable, and the KC-10 variant even more so.

Between that video, ole Crazy Gunderson, Aircrap, and the What in the World are the Smoking video, the chemmies have been in quite a frenzy!!
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