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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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I know i posted this earlier but it seams to have been sidestepped


Wow it still amazes me how quickly the pages on subjects that are considered hoax's rise and always the same names in each many who claim to be experts in certain fields who have the time to sit at a pc all day and waste there vast intellects attacking a subject that to them has no truth to it.
Now I know that many of these members consider me a layman who has no real knowage on any of this subject and after some thought I decided that maybe I should have a chat with a source who served in the RAF for 15 years and see what he could tell me about contrails.
Now he told me that a contrail can last 10 mins to an hour depending on the temp of the surrounding air that the plan is flying through but should only be visible from the ground for no more than 10 mins.
He also said that military spend lots of money trying to reduce the time a contrail was visible to help reduce the ground based spotters from knowing they had passed.
I also believe that this is true in the us especially with the stealth aircraft as contrails would be a good give away wouldn't it.
But I don't doubt that you will start an attack on my honesty or the honesty of my source and that's OK because
you have the cards stacked in your favour you make the rules and you feel you have a unbeatable hand but your overconfidence will be your downfall.




posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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you do realize at best this entire notion sounds completely insane a global alliance of which none exists s to secretly poison us in the most obvious way .

how and why would such a enormous secret exist you clearly are not on a higher level other then in the clouds your evidence is at best eager speculation.

its well known the government has done particle spray testing using airplanes that should not make or even come close to this outlandish connection you have determined that there is a conspiracy .

with your recent replies it is clear you have no answers for us this info is not facts while fun to speculate you state posts as though you are in some secret government plot that we are to blind to see ?

airplanes make vapor trails SOMETIMES they turn around Sometimes more then once it really is hard to believe how much time you must have spent creating this...

you should see Slayer69 new thread it is creative and doesn’t need the straw clutching approach to get the ooooo aahhh effect because it is really there!...

i will say at least you try and try hard but this is just to much for reason to allow it just is i am sorry you believe so fervently in this ...........................................

Be Well
Triiple


ive posted some serious nonsense and def don’t practice what i preach but am learning there are enough real things to explore that we don’t need to fabricate the truth.. i wish you luck ever proving this theory of yours true

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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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www.youtube.com...


i1207.photobucket.com...

check out the chem trailing on this 1 !! as this is a chem trail thread
i1207.photobucket.com...



www.youtube.com...

last 1 i promise and this 1 is probably the best

www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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HAHAHA you wont be able to speak up and do anything because no one listens... especially with so many people like you constantly attacking the legitmacy of someone investigating the issue through meaningful discussion...



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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were those making a funny i couldnt tell i am laughing though planet X
i was there once finally got back

contrails do consist no dispute



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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wow this place is as bad as GLP !



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Have you ever wondered why with each change in government you don't see any real changes occur.
Do you honestly think that its the government that rules the country you live in?
The most powerful man will be the one you never see and is it not to hard to believe that one organisation can control most of the world.
Just look back in history the British empire the Roman empire just show it is possible and just look at how much power the banks have we are so dependant on them that if they fail everything else goes down with them.
Big company's [drugs, tobacco,oil,computer software]are the real power holders in the world and you will find them in every country around the world that is true global control.
Now if they wanted to run a chemtrail's program they have the funds and resources to do it and like I said these company's can be found all around the world so is it so hard to believe that is possible?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Wow it still amazes me how quickly the pages on subjects that are considered hoax's rise and always the same names in each many who claim to be experts in certain fields who have the time to sit at a pc all day and waste there vast intellects attacking a subject that to them has no truth to it.


This has been the case for quite some time apparently and it's not just on this site. I found an interesting chemtrail video from 2009:

www.youtube.com...

The comments on the video are at least as interesting as the video itself, especially considering that they were made 2 years ago.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Big company's [drugs, tobacco,oil,computer software]are the real power holders in the world and you will find them in every country around the world that is true global control. Now if they wanted to run a chemtrail's program they have the funds and resources to do it and like I said these company's can be found all around the world so is it so hard to believe that is possible?


Absolutely. That's why I always chuckle at the arguments that it would be too expensive. A drop in the bucket for billion or trillion dollar organizations. Global corporations-global reach.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Its so quiet today none of the wolf pack seam to be on which I find rather strange.
Usually by now I would have had my posts attacked maybe there is a big meeting today so that they can update and get there story's straight just a thought.
Its that or my posts are easier to ignore after all better that than draw attention



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Here is a document about geo-engineering on the Council on Foreign Relations website:

www.cfr.org...



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Was just thinking about the idea of poisoning us. Would it not be easier to put the chemicals in our petrol? I mean its less obvious with the same effects.
It would also be a lot more cost effective as we pay for them to poison us lol.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Hahahaha.......I've already mentioned that I started debunking on YouTube in this thread. What did I do? I asked questions that they could not answer. If you also notice in the reply, they weren't interesting in



I stated that this is not a forum for opinionated posts

And that



I stated how I wanted objective & unbiased research data & sources or information on how to find such research. I stated that I will not entertain 3rd person information especially via internet.


As there I have never met a professional with regards to "chemtrails", and knowing that I am not one myself, just someone who has studied the phenomena and knows where to get information on the science involved on the one common source we had, the internet, what was expected?
Seems like "it" (I believe referring to a person in this way is ad hominem) presented information that did not coincide with the posters view of the world. So they were not objective, unbiased; they wanted only information about "chemtrails", not science to show they are normal contrails or a request for why the poster decided that the video was "chemtrails" and not something else.
Kind of like this thread. It was set up, against ATS policy, as a place for "chemtrail" believers to gather and discuss........what exactly? The videos they have seen of white lines in the sky?
Originally perhaps.
Now it has turned into a bashing of people with different ideas about the topic, who have been able to produce items of research that support their opinions.
Perhaps you should go to a forum where you are able to block differing opinions so you don't have to be exposed to science and the people who understand it. Then you can congratulate each other about how the vast majority of people you meet know about "chemtrails" and agree with your views. Until then, sorry. You'll have to put up with me and the other debunkers.
And no more ad hominem attacks, which your post is most definitely. It's against T&C.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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A good question you pose there but they put sodium in our water supply to dumb us down and there is no doubt that the fumes from cars really don't do you any good at all.
Now I'm not going to say why they are doing it as that would take alot of research and money I don't have but what I will say is that it is happening and I hope to be able to prove it soon.
When we can prove that they are spraying then we can move onto the subject of why they are spraying.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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I've already supplied at least three sources one of them being NASA that proves the knowledge of contrail science is faulty, limited and inaccurate..


In your opinion.
Science says you are wrong. If you understood science, you would understand you are wrong.
And you have provided zero sources that proves the "knowledge" of "chemtrails" are right, unlimited, and accurate. You have provided videos. From YouTube.

As I have been singled out by more than one person here, because people have claimed we have been called out but have not provided any instance of a question not answered by debunkers, because the posters here ('chemtrail believer side of the debate) have chosen to not answer questions posted to them, and because this thread has continually tried to enforce your OP by disavowing debunkers en masse and preemptively, I'm out of here.
Please wallow in your ignorance about standard science without me. I chose to deny ignorance and won't be joining in.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by shadowkat
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It is for sure that the chem trails do exist, one of the best websites to visit is aircrap.org. They are doing a tremendous amount of research on the subject. You can not look at the amount of the particulates found in the air in Arizona and still say that these chem trails do not exist. The increase in respritory illness alone is enough to question just exactly what is it that they are continually spraying. Sometimes you look into the sky and it looks as though they are trying to create a gigantic tic tac toe pattern. Between the chem trails and the possible radiation from the reactors in Japan, things could sure get very ugly, very quickly.


Shadowkat


HAHAHAHAHAH.

The aircrap site? The same one that shows a video of an aircraft storage and scrapping operation, shows planes that havent moved in years, planes that missing engines and parts, and even claims rear mounted engines on planes are aerosol spray devices.

They know exactly that those are engines, but they are trying to decieve people. There is so much junk on that site, its ridiculous. Being open minded is one thing, being so open minded that you stop thinking for yourself is something different altogether

I am going to even link to that stupid video from aircrap, so everyone can see how ridiuclous it is. Well everyone means everyone minus the chemmies, who will be entranced by it and think its so awesome.

Everyone else will see that aircraft that do not fly, are often scrapped out, well that does not make for a secret chemtrail base.


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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by gloomyblue707
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HAHAHA you wont be able to speak up and do anything because no one listens... especially with so many people like you constantly attacking the legitmacy of someone investigating the issue through meaningful discussion...


Chemtrailers do not investigate anything. No investigation consists of only pay attention to those who have your own beliefs, and reposting a littany of youtube videos.

How many of you in your "investigation" try to learn about science, meterology, aviation and aircraft? NONE.
How can you call it an investigation, when you already made up your minds and are just reading websites that tell you what you want to hear?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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How was the meeting lol but joking aside I did as you said and went to ask someone who served in the RAF for 15 years about contrail's I did not mention chemtrail's in anyway so that he would give me a honest answer I posted his reply to me at the top of this page i wondered what was your view of what he told me



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by djcarlosa
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How was the meeting lol but joking aside I did as you said and went to ask someone who served in the RAF for 15 years about contrail's I did not mention chemtrail's in anyway so that he would give me a honest answer I posted his reply to me at the top of this page i wondered what was your view of what he told me


A contrail can be visible from the ground for a long time, it just depends on the conditions. If the conditions are ripe for it to become cirrus, it can hang around a long time. Does natural cirrus only last 10 minutes? Even chemtrail central says that can persist a long time.

Correct, there have been efforts to actively reduce contrails, like in the B-2. However, the system was apparently not that practical and required a lot of maintainance, so they took it out. But aircraft can for whatever reasons need to stay out of contrailing altitudes and would get a weather briefing about what aitltudes that are worse for contrails and would stay out of that



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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So what you are saying is that my friend with his 15 years serving our country in the RAF is wrong and you are right?
Its good to know that we have such a fine expert on here perhaps your talents could be put to a better use.
I would also like to add that in the world we live in and the tighter controls in air plane emissions then I'm sure we should be seeing less contrails rather than long lasting ones.
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