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Originally posted by djcarlosa
reply to post by Phage
I wish that you all would make up your minds or get your story's strait most of you claim 30,000 feet as the height at which contrails become long lasting and now you are saying 38,000 feet come on just find a figure and stick to it.
Also the vid I posted shows the planes are below the cloud line now correct me if I'm wrong but that proves these planes are not at 30,000 or 38,000 feet.
I would like this thread to be for people who truly want to investigate the subject of chemtrails. I would also like to respectfully request that the chemtrail debunkers refrain from interfering with this thread and post their usual anti-chemmie comments elsewhere.
There are many hours difference between the time of the images and the sounding data on that page. . Weather changes.
Click on any region you want. You will see the current information on the Jet Stream. It's important to notice where it is coming from so you will understand what kind of air it is bringing with it. If it comes from the extreme north, then I would hazzard a guess that it would be bringing arctic or cold air. If it's coming from the south, then it would bring warmer, moister air. I have learned a little about this because of these discussions. A weatherman or someone who has a degree in climatology could explain it much better.
Of course there are those in the Professional Chemtrail Denial Corps who would criticize the upper atmosphere data by saying that the radiosonde data represents only point samples at a particular point in time. Which is true. But this data is good enough for the NWS to make daily weather forecasts across the United States upon which millions of people depend on for making decisions affecting their personal lives and safety every day. The Chemtrail Denial Corps postulate that somehow enough moisture magically blows in on the jet stream for a few hours between the standard data collection times in one of the driest airsheds on the planet to allow the so-called "persistent contrails" to form and spread across thousands of square miles in the sky above us. Any honest weather scientist viewing this data would admit that the "magic moisture" scenario is highly unlikely, especially considering the number of examples (25 spray days) of the upper atmospheric data and Chemtrail Spray images documented on this site.
Originally posted by gloomyblue707
reply to post by Jack Squat
personal experiences are totally acceptable data... you think the fda just accepts prescription drugs without running clinical trials... i think not... if you would actually do your own research instead of grilling me for what "i" have learned. you could see many many links online as well as well documented personal experiences among the wealth of information and photos online...
Originally posted by badw0lf
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Aloysius you are one of the biggest chemtrail debunkers on ATS. Please respect the request made in the OP and post your comments in one of the other threads listed above in the OP.
See this is what irks me. You go get a MOD to approve the rules set by the OP, otherwise this topic is open for all ATS to discuss.
No clubs allowed...
I am not trying to debunk chemtrails at all. As I said, I still entertain the possibility, I'm just not as easily convinced as you are. Do yourself a favor and play devils advocate with yourself. Pretend you are a disbeliever in the theory and see what information you can find. It's healthy to do this on any debatable subject before making up your mind completely.
Originally posted by Gazrok
I would like this thread to be for people who truly want to investigate the subject of chemtrails. I would also like to respectfully request that the chemtrail debunkers refrain from interfering with this thread and post their usual anti-chemmie comments elsewhere.
You face a daunting task. If you really want to make a case for it, you'd have to:
1. Identify the companies/airlines involved.
2. Prove the capability of spraying by said aircraft. (includes how accused jetliners can carry passengers, their luggage, contracted luggage, AND large tanks of chemicals)
3. Show how this effort is kept quiet when it would involve numerous ground personnel and company officers.
4. Show how any substance would remain potent enough when exposed to the vast volume of the atmosphere, to affect anyone on the ground, from standard flight altitudes.
5. Identify differences between contrails and chemtrails.
6. Provide a motive for such an all-targeting method (i.e. you can't pick and choose WHO is affected and who is not).
7. Identify unexplained shortages of the chemicals involved in the process or unexplained amounts that weren't used for their stated purposes.
8. Provide documentation, air manifests, orders, etc. helping to prove any of it.
9. Identify how constantly changing air currents are predicted to spray on any specific target (or if just an all-encompassing target of population centers).
10. Explain why no credible whistleblower has ever come forward with compelling evidence.
I'd say you're in for quite the task.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by MathiasAndrew
Matty - no I will not respect that request.
You said above:
Let's give the doubter's a fair chance to voice their opinion and lets treat everyone here with respect.
Sure didnt' take long to change you mind!!
ATS is a public forum, and members are allowed to post to any thread they like as long as they stick to the T&C's.
sorry about that....but if you want a nice cosy fireside chat about the chemtrail hoax that you can control you will have to do so in your own forum, where you do have the ability to censor replies, or one of the many existing chemtrail love-fests where no dissention is allowed.
Gazrok makes a good point.. Take 7 for instance.. After this amount of spraying around the globe there must be some shortages of said chemical(s).