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Draft Dodging -- What would you do?

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posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 07:59 AM
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With each passing day, a war with Iran becomes more and more a reality. Most of you are aware that congress has a bill in the works which will reinstate the draft if passed (Sn 89, HR 163).

My question to all of you is: What will you do? Will you avoid the draft or choose to serve? Why?

I wonder if we'll see an increasing number of people claiming to be gay




posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:19 AM
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I've never really thought about it. I'd never actually make it through the draft process though. I'm not physically able to do much in the military since I've had major spinal reconstruction and other back surgery on top of that.

I'd get to be one of those "lucky" guys who gets to stay home.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:23 AM
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Well, I'm off to college. So unless they alter the actual draft rules themselves to include those attending school, I'm okay.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:25 AM
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This Retired Navy Captain seems to be calling for the draft...

"• We have broken our social contract with the members of the National Guard and the reserve forces, misusing them as substitutes for active forces in an open-ended operation in Iraq that is well short of national emergency. These backup forces are demoralized and headed for the door. Rebuilding the reserves may take a generation.

• The combat strength of our ground forces will be badly bogged down in the Middle East for years to come. Policing a broken nation and skirmishing with irregulars, they are anchored in Iraq; we have little left for the rest of the world. Terrorism? North Korea? Iran? More force in Afghanistan? We have only the Navy and the Air Force to send, but they alone cannot take and hold ground, root out terrorists, or alter a bad regime.

• We have few resources left to fix things. Instead of investing in new military capabilities, we divert defense funds to refilling ammunition bins and paying for peacekeeping. The military improvements needed for the future are lost in the dusty sands of Iraq.
Our American military is in trouble. Is there a fix? We should share the burden, spreading to the rest of our society the sacrifice now made solely by our fine people in uniform. How? With realistic funding to pay the true costs and a return of the draft. Pending that, it will be up to the military to struggle through the current mess and protect us as best it can until we can get ourselves back to battery.

The U.S. Military is in Bad, Good, BAD, Shape
By Captain John Byron, U.S. Navy (Retired)
Proceedings, July 2004
www.usni.org...
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is he an oddball? or is the spin we hear about the military refusing to accept the idea bogus?



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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I believe the new draft legislation would include men, women, college students, etc. Everybody. I'll probably be out of school by then, and if it comes down to it I'd probably join the Airforce. My family has always wanted me to join the Airforce (my dad, 2 grandfathers, uncles, cousins have served in the Airforce and Army) but I haven't because that's not what I want to do with my life. If it comes down to me being drafted into the Army though, called to serve as cannon fodder, I'd definitely choose to join up.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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If I got drafted I would serve even if I did not agree with the actions of the goverment I would not run away to canada or where ever like some ''Girlie man'' I would consider my service as helping the men and women already in the military rather then helping further the goals of my countries leaders



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 08:29 AM
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Thanks for the info and link, dawnstar.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 01:25 PM
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I think that is going to be a reality AFTER the election! Better get ready and dust off your deferrments folks. With the military stretched thin and NO plans to bring anybody home from different places they are scattered around the world..it is only a matter of time.

With special forces already making upwards of $200,000 in the private sector.. who are we going to have go into the military? Hello Junior!! The sons and daughters of Mr. and Mrs. Average American. Only this time around lets end the educational deferrment and have everyone join the party. Even the Senators sons!!



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:00 PM
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The bills the dems (or at least that's who the republicans say are responsible) wrote up in the legislature have it so everyone within a certain age group..(not sure off hand what it was), men, women, disabled, don't matter...will have to serve...only if there is a medical reason why you can't serve in the service, you'll have to do community service here, or something like that..
would serve two purposes...
first, it would open up the draft to all....no rich kids getting out of it...
and two.....it removes all these people out of the labor market....making the economy seem better than it is...also moving us closer to a socialist state...



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:50 PM
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I'm likely out of the age group, so no worries... Still, if for some reason I wasn't, and they'd take me, I'd serve, if for nothing more than life experience.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:56 PM
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I'd fight the draft tooth and nail.

I'm unfit, have documented medical problems- especially knee and back problems- and i'm a student.

now i know for a fact that the new rules dont allow for the same deferments as in the past, such as being a student.

if none of my other plans work, i'll defect. no lie- I don't agree with a draft, I don't agree with war, and I don't agree with the use of firearms.

so i'll see you in mexico or canada, if it comes right down to it.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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Following is an email message I recieved about the bill. It basically states that every citizen aged 18-26 will have 2 years manditory service.

No conscientious objections (they just keep you as non-combatant), no educational exeptions past age 20, no discrimination for sex.

The length of service can be lengthened at any time for any individual they feel did not complete to their satisfaction ANY part of training or service, and they have not yet definded what is satisfactory, or for any reason they find necessary. If you opt to train as an officer, you can't leave after 2 years but are obligated to fill the post as they see fit when your 2 years are up.

A bill has already been passed taking away the option of fleeing to Canada.
Individuals who have voluntarily already served may be given credit toward or covering their 2 years.

It's not a draft, it is a law enacting mandatory service. It means next april I may be saying happy birthday to my two year old and never see her again until she is four- so I can be pushed into combat I don't agree with.
It's an entire generation of citizens being handed a death sentance and veteran compensation being taken away because everyone becomes eligable. We can't compensate every citizen.


>>>There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (Bills S89 and HR163 which will initiate a draft in spring of 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The current administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is focused on the elections. Here are some
links for further details:

www.hslda.org...

www.theorator.com...



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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yes, and yous are the generation that is stuck with the trillion dollar deficit too....
I'm sorry, but this sucks!!
we need every one of our young people here, to help out all of us old cripples in a decade or more...not over there somewhere now getting killed!!
And, why the heck are they trying to talk yas all into taking out loans for college...so you'll owe them later for a education that you would have had if they hadn't dragged yous off?

oh, well, maybe yous will luck out, while yas are all over there, they'll nuke the homeland, get rid of all of us old soon to be cripples.

sorry, but what they are doing just don't make any sense.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 03:34 PM
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i would break my arm, and incase that wasn't enough, i would cliam to be gay, maybe get one of my friends to say he's gay too, that way we both win, and lose...... :fire:



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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I believe that new agreements between Canada and the US no longer allow for defectors to move to Canada....

Selective Service Eyes Women's Draft
By Eric Rosenberg
Seattle Post-Intelligencer May1/04

The chief of the Selective Service System has proposed registering women for the military draft and requiring that young Americans regularly inform the government about whether they have training in niche specialties needed in the armed services.

The proposal, also seeks to extend the age of draft registration to 34 years old, up from 25.

"In line with today's needs, the Selective Service System's structure, programs and activities should be re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18 through 34, with an added focus on identifying individuals with critical skills," the agency said in a Feb. 11, 2003, proposal presented to senior Pentagon officials.

the agency has begun designing procedures for a targeted registration and draft of people with computer and language skillsRichard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, say they oppose a revival of the military draft, last used in 1973 as the American commitment in Vietnam waned, beginning the era of the all-volunteer force.

Mandatory registration for the draft was suspended in 1975 but was resumed in 1980 by President Carter after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. About 13.5 million men, ages 18 to 25, currently are registered with the Selective Service.

"I don't know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes that it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Rumsfeld said last month.

'Special Skills Draft' on Drawing Board
By Eric Rosenberg
San Francisco Chronicle Mar13/04

a targeted military draft of Americans with special skills in computers and foreign languages.

The agency already has in place a special system to register and draft health care personnel ages 20 to 44 in more than 60 specialties if necessary in a crisis. According to Flahavan, the agency will expand this system to be able to rapidly register and draft computer specialists and linguistsSince the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strikes, U.S. forces have fought two wars, established a major military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq and are now taking on peacekeeping duties in Haiti.
The military draft ended in 1973 as the American commitment in Vietnam waned, beginning the era of the all-volunteer force. Mandatory registration for the draft was suspended in 1975 but resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. About 13.5 million men, ages 18 to 25, are registered with the Selective Service.

especially people knowledgeable about Arabic and various Afghan dialects.

AMERICANS COULD BE PRESSED INTO MANDATORY COMMUNITY SERVICE
NewsWithViews.com June 30, 2004

The Universal National Service Act of 2003 sitting in this 108th Congress In the Senate, S89 (Senate Bill), ) reads: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

(D-The House of Representatives has a 'sister' bill, HR 163 (House Resolution), which contains the same language. Both bills will make it mandatory for women to serve in the military as well as men; the age window for induction is 18-26.
(DMilly Sundquist of Houston Texas is spitting mad. "How dare this government continue with further attempts to destroy the family unit by pressing women into mandatory military service! My daughter will turn 23 next year and is engaged to be married. She's extremely upset that this government could force her into the military and send her to someplace like the Middle East to be raped or beheaded by people who care nothing for human life or dignity."

Lauren Beecham, a paralegal studying for her law degree in NY, majored in world history and says Community service - especially forced community service - is rooted in communist doctrine." Section 1 in the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution states: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

A Cold Draft
By Ted Rall
Universal Press Syndicated Dec4/03

When I was a kid, standing around the post office waiting for my mom to buy stamps, I entertained myself by flipping through the "wanted" notices clipped to the bulletin board. I was impressed [that] mostly the felons looked tired. And poor. Mixed in ) were local kids wanted for dodging the draft.

Whenever the feds needed more cannon fodder, they interrupted primetime sit-coms to broadcast a draft lottery. Two guys wearing American flag lapel pins would turn a metal tumbler and pluck out slips of paper bearing birthdays from 18 years earlier. "If you were born on April 4, 1951, you have 30 days to report to your local Selective Service bureau."

In early November, the Pentagon website DefendAmerica.mil put out a call for applicants willing to serve on Selective Service System draft boards. the SSS hopes to fill its 8,000 draft board slots by spring 2005Noting that the SSS hopes to fill its 8,000 draft board slots by spring 2005, many journalists are wondering aloud whether the Bush Administration plans to reinstate forced conscription of 18-to-26-year-olds after the election49 percent of soldiers told Stars and Stripes newspaper that they won't re-enlist.

COME ONE, COME ALL,
Girls and boys age 18—26: by next April you could be “in the Army now”.

www.sss.gov...

The pentagon has already begun filling 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide..


www.informationclearinghouse.info...
Universal National Service Act of 2003
Universal National Service Act of 2003

www.hslda.org...

In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Guardian May31/04


Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class
lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter.

Once they get their grubby hands on you, YOU WILL NOT BE LET OUT!! Their "stop loss" policy will see to that!

Draft "avoidance" is lawful but "evasion" is illegal!

Billy-Joe..Mauldin

There will be no college deferrment, no consciencous-objector status, women will be drafted, and there will be no going to Canada; Two years ago, the Canadian goverment. signed a deal with the administration- in the event of the reinstatement of the American draft, Canada would provide no haven for draft resistors.

The draft will apply to everyone between the ages of 18 and 49! This is going to be a model of the Israeli system, and there are presently tens of thousands of Israelis who refuse to serve and are in prison as a result.

nodraft.info & infowars.com
People who are not put into the military will be required to perform 20 to 30 hours of work per week in their neighborhoods and towns on behalf of the Dept. of Homeland Security.
here come the brownshirts! ) These hopped-up neighborhood watch groups will be the gestapo tattle-tale squads U.S. Readies for Draft
Dave Eberhart
NewsMax.com June25/04

Despite denials that the U.S. plans to re-institute the draft, the Pentagon has stepped up preparations for a new Selective Service System that could allow for a full-blown draft by next year.

By early next year, the government will a mobilization infrastructure of 56 state headquarters, 442 area offices, and 1,980 local boards.

Ramping up is the “Selective Service System’s High School Registrar Program,” a plan to put volunteer registrars in at least 85 percent of the nation’s high schools that the system is ready to roll full steam within 75 days, which would clear the decks for a first lottery by June 15th, 2005.

Meanwhile, helping the agency to reach its goals and objectives is a little known provision of the No Child Left Behind Act that requires schools to provide contact information for every student – upon pain of losing federal aid dollars.

Alyce Burton, a spokeswoman for the Selective Service, says that at the request of the Pentagon, SSS has been developing standby plans for drafting doctors, nurses and medical technicians.

Furthermore, SSS has been mulling draft procedures for other types of specialists – in particular linguists and computer programmersa draft of untrained manpower would not be necessary in the future.”

A recent CNN-USA TODAY-Gallup Poll indicates that no less than 80 percent of Americans are against a return to the draft. the Individual Ready Reserve, the inactive component of the military that consists of vets who have completed their enlistment contracts but still have time remaining on a total 8-year commitment. As many as 6,500 could be recalled to active duty.

“Stop loss”The first bar members of the military from retiring or resigning. stop move” orders extends overseas assignment involuntarily – as was the case with the 20,000 troops kept overtime in Iraq.

turning over to civilians jobs now done by members of the armed forces. Rumsfeld hopes to reassign to civilian employees jobs now performed by no less than 300,000 uniformed men and women.

A cadre of both Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill are pushing to permanently increase the size of the Armed Forces by at least 30,000.

“Stop move” obviously frustrates those who are ready to be honorably discharged.

Instead of drafting the civilian population, the military is “drafting” the soldiers who already are enlisted by forcing them to serve longer than usual.

Congress must pass legislation authorizing the reinstatement of the draft. It’s not something that can be done by the Chief Executive with the stroke of a pen on an executive order.

If, however, another front appears on the nation’s already extended battle lines – N. Korea or Iran, for instance – all bets may be off. And the preparations underway today could mean that a draft could be up and running in just a matter of months.

Saudi Arabia.
We’re half the combat strength we had in 1991, yet we are manning 735 bases around the world.”

Sen. John Kerry supports the draft and the continuation of the war on Iraq.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:08 PM
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The draft will apply to everyone between the ages of 18 and 49
People who are not put into the military will be required to perform 20 to 30 hours of work per week in their neighborhoods and towns on behalf of the Dept. of Homeland Security

is that 20-30 hours of work paid, or is it on top of the 40+ hours they are working now to feed their families?
we're going socialist......your drafted to work in this factory....free labor....no outsourcing of jobs....hey takes care of alot of our economic worries, now doesn't it..



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:08 PM
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I'll go to Mexico.

or France.

I speak OK French.

or maybe Trinidad/Tobago. they're pretty easy going there.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:20 PM
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The best option to avoid of draft would be to join the army, navy, airforce before the draft happens. That way you would not be on the fighting front, as soon as you sighned up. The draftees are the ones who go to the frontlines first, you really think that a solider who was in there for 5 years would be up for the first bullets? The draftees are the grunts of the army.

Its a scary thought. One of the reasons for this is becauses our troops are spread so thin across the world. Some in Iraq, some in Afhganistan some in Africa. There all over the place.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:23 PM
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I might join the "i like the touch of another man" club. The just need a few good men. Or i might break my legs.

For one, they don't want an angry trigger happy person like me in the Army, i still want revenge for Sept.11th, Nick Berg, and Paul Johnson. I would shoot at every last one of them. Shoot first, ask question later..



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bobbo
I'll go to Mexico.


Dear god! You might just be safer being drafted and fighting in a war.


or France.

I speak OK French.


France had compulsory military service until the end of 2002. Lucky for you, if you went there now to avoid the draft here, you wouldn't be a hypocrite.



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