Massive online pedophile ring busted by cops

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
Surely the powers to be can trace every pc that has ever visited that site though.

visiting the site
and uploading content to it
are 2 completely different things.

however, with that said
even if you visited but never posted
it is my guess that you might not be
arrested, but you would DEF be put on
a watchlist for further activity. And maybe
even targeted for a NSA Trojan on ur PC
to monitor your activities online.

after reading the article again,
it is my opinion that the main focus
of this operation was to save the children
being exploited which means finding and
arresting the sources of the illegal CP.
That was their priority IMO.

and on another note:
There really is no being anonymous
anymore online. Part of that has to do
with the Patriot Act. To comply with
the Patriot Act, software manufacturers
of firewalls are required by law to allow
gov entities to pass freely in and out
of their firewalls without detection.
So if you think your anti-virus software
or your sophisticated expensive firewall
is gonna stop big brother from infiltrating
your machine, you're in for a rude awakening.

knock, knock ..... BAMMM
Freeze sucka !!!

Kinda scary that law enforcement will use
a law designed to catch terrorists for catching
criminals not even associated with terrorism
at all. The Patriot Act is illegal on multiple
fronts.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Thanks for your in depth analysis and commentary boondock. I had no idea this was most likely the same site as the Anonymous group that has been threatening retaliation over the treatment of the Wikileaker. Wasn't Assange accused of rape and sexual molestation, as well? That isn't pedophilia, but it is criminal sexual activity. It would be a real shame if, as one previous poster postulated, there was a smear campaign or other hidden agenda behind this story. I do hope it is legit and all those arrested and charged are in fact culpable.

As far as pedophilia being a disease, murderers and rapists are generally socio- and psychopaths, imo. There are some illnesses that result in such aberrant behavior that treatment of the illness itself must take a back seat to removing the person from interaction with society.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by macman
Those that prey upon children and profit from it should be executed or incarcerated for life.

Is it more acceptable for greed to be a motivator in this horror to children?
Who is worse? The pedophile or the woman or man who provides the child?

Those that exploit children also profit off the pedophiles that prey on them.
Like drug addicts, pedophiles are very, very sick.
Many have been abused and are psychologically damaged people. Others are sadistic predators and should be imprisoned for life without computers TV or cellphones, and they should work to pay for their upkeep there. I would like all sadistic predators who kill executed - but this ends up being a quasi celebrity status and a picnic on death row for the next 20 years in appeal after appeal that costs US taxpayer a fortune. If we could just shoot the basterds following the trial....that'd be good. Still - all perpetrators are not violent, some have tragic histories and extenuating circumstances. No one solution fits all.

I don't think pedophiles can ever be cured but many can be fixed.
Chemical castration should be offered as an option to those who are non violent very early in their "careers."
Chemical castration is a process by which libido is rendered mute and the man goes on to have a chance at a normal life.

The pimps and child care workers who provide pedophiles with children need to ALSO do long and hard sentences and wear those gps ankle bracelets for life,

edit on 16-3-2011 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)

Yes, all involved.

Originally posted by ballsdeep
These people are too products of their environment, most were probably abused as children themselves; I'm not excusing their actions, they should definately be removed from the environment that is facilitating their behaviour, but i think it's a bit extreme to wish eternal damnation on them.
No I don't have children, just empathy - I hope the offenders get the psychological help they require.

Oh boo hoo for them.
So since they may or may not of had a bad childhood, it is justified for them to turn around and do the same to others.

BS!!.
Making excuses for them is excusing their actions. When everyone offers reasons why they did this, it is defending them.
They did the horrific action, and should pay the ultimate price.
Disgusting anyway you look at it.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Leemo
Pedophilia is the worst type of evil sin to mankind. They should be all shot and not allowed to live.

So instead of studying and working intently to try to fix what is defined as a Mental Disease, we should just kill them as soon as they start showing signs of being pedophiles.

Save the fact that few really understand that the term Pedophile only applies to people attracted to prepubescents and there are about 4 terms to describe attraction to various stages of pre/post-pubescents.

Society loves appeals to emotion and we should lynch everything that makes us uncomfortable. (Now that I'm done not making any friends)


By all means, Child molestors, rapists, child porn producers and distributors need to be locked up; but the "kill em and grill em" attitude needs to stop as well. As long as pedophilia is defined as a disease we need to allow people to feel comfortable seeking out help for their affliction rather than banish them to the shadowy corners of society where the only solace they find is in speaking with other pedophiles some of whom will no doubt convince them there is nothing wrong with what they feel.

Our current treatment of what is still defined as a disease is a recipe for disaster: being sick isn't a crime, get them help before they offend, do whatever you want to them after they offend.

When we understand the disease we can control it or even cure it.

edit on 3/16/2011 by eNumbra because: (no reason given)

Why? So they can be "treated", released back into society only to have it happen again?
NO!
There is no responsibility for their actions. The whole "Your damaged" attitude and hugs and good feelings do not do anything except make others looking in from the outside feel good.
Execution or life in prison.

Originally posted by StevenDye
I think this raises a couple of serious points...

1...its time to stop saying paedophiles are some sick twisted evil people....70,000 members on just one site....theres got to be something more to it. Something medical or due to lifestyle, but more than just a few twisted people. It's too many.

2...How on earth did the site get so many members before it was discovered...70,000 people is alot to keep something secret for so long.

And though I'm sure the number of children saved is a tiny amount, it's worth it all to save just one child. Always.

1) Its a start. I'm sure there will be more sting operations.

2) Sometimes its better to let it build up and bust in wholesale rather than scare them off by busting only 10000.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by James1982
Does this mean anyone that's ever been to 4chan is guilty of being a pedophile? I'm a bit confused

I do not think everyone who ever visited
4chan is a pedo. There are other forums
on 4chan that had legal content like anime,
art, poetry, wallpaper, etc ....

I would think their main focus would be
the posters who post and trade the illegal
content. As it would be rather impractical
to imprison 70,000 people in one sting
operation. Since the avg prison in the world
holds less than 1,000 inmates. They would
have to build 70+ prisons to house them all.

Like I said, I think they are just after the sources
of the illegal content. As they have a term
they refer to as "sauce".

They are looking for the "sauce" IMO.

And from the article, it looks like they already got
238 sauces already. Which I would consider
quite an accomplishment if I were in their shoes.
Deserves a pat on the back.

That makes me feel a bit better. I wasn't arguing whether it was 4chan or not, I was just a little worried if that was the case, what it meant for the people who visit the site with no ill intent.

It's just that when you hear an article about a 70,000 member porno ring, they make it seem like it's 70,000 people actually involved in the porno trading. Just made me worry that whoever is in charge of this considers anyone visiting that site "involved" with the whole ordeal.

I think we need a better definition of just what a paedophile is?
Is a seventeen year old who gets carried away and bumps uglies with his fifteen year old girlfriend truly a paedophile? Does he deserve to be placed on the sex register with the likes of those sick people who kidnap, rape and murder toddlers and young girls and boys? And since a lot of girls and boys are now sexual active when they are 13, 14, and some even younger, what are we prosecuting a woman or man for when they interact (nice way of putting it) with such kids? Its not like they are corrupting them as they are already sexual active...

I think we should do away with the laws surrounding under age sex and strengthen the rape laws. In fact one simple rule... Any adult found to have sex with someone under the age of sixteen should be charged with rape due to the fact that anyone under that age cannot be deemed to be capable (right or wrong) of giving consent.
It would also be a good idea to prosecute owners of adult porn sites who dress their young stars in school uniform... Everyone watches porn at some time in their life but this sends out the wrong message.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

and on another note:
There really is no being anonymous
anymore online. Part of that has to do
with the Patriot Act. To comply with
the Patriot Act, software manufacturers
of firewalls are required by law to allow
gov entities to pass freely in and out
of their firewalls without detection.
So if you think your anti-virus software
or your sophisticated expensive firewall
is gonna stop big brother from infiltrating
your machine, you're in for a rude awakening.

knock, knock ..... BAMMM
Freeze sucka !!!

Kinda scary that law enforcement will use
a law designed to catch terrorists for catching
criminals not even associated with terrorism
at all. The Patriot Act is illegal on multiple
fronts.

This sounds too "hollywood" for me. 4chan is US originated or at least portions of it. One can certainly maintain anonymity on the Net if one chooses, it can be done. Also your comments regarding software to permit law enforcement agencies the ability to peer, even if correct, can be validated and circumvented. Simply watch traffic leaving your node and you will see it. I have a hard time believing that the NSA has nothing better to do than snoop on perverts, I think they have bigger fish to fry. More scare tactics and movie script material here versus anything of true substance in my opinion.

ps - any chance you can ditch the paragraph style format you use, it makes replies unnecessary long

brill

I wonder how many of those users were government agents using that new trolling software....

Biggest peadophile ring uncovered

We have been aware of this operation for a while and this is sadly only the tip of the iceberg. It has been brought to our notice that amazingly the Boychat forum that was exposed is still open! Children Have Rights In Society
Here's an insight into the minds of 3 major child abuse activists:

reply to post by PieNMashFilms


Video don't work, but the atricle names the website, guess it wasn't 4chan lol. The way they named it, then let it slip that it is still up is trying to set up a trap I think.

There were 70,000 members on that forum. That is only one forum. It was obvious to me how big the problem was before I read this, but it seems to me to be a lot bigger than I thought it was. There were 70,000 pedophiles and child molesters on one forum. Just imagine how many other forums there are that show this material.

What is also worrying is how many mirror sites there could be of this forum. They did it with Wikileaks.

Quite a scary thing for all the parents out there. I bet most of them act as good people. Just proves you never know who people really are.

Originally posted by macman

Why? So they can be "treated", released back into society only to have it happen again?

There is no responsibility for their actions. The whole "Your damaged" attitude and hugs and good feelings do not do anything except make others looking in from the outside feel good.
Execution or life in prison.

Did you even read my post?

Lock up and throw away the key for any of them that have actually commited crimes.

Those who haven't yet offended need help, pedophilia IS a mental disease and needs to be treated, if it can't be cured and their two options are: Offend and be locked up in prison, or don't offend and be locked up in a mental institution so be it.

reply to post by eNumbra

Would you describe a perversion as a mental illness?
Those rubber fanatics, people who get a kick out of massaging feet (I know!), transvestites, homosexuality, beastiality, the list goes on... People who get a kick out of this aren't mentally ill..
Consider how the Japanese get a cheap thrill out of dressing their models in schoolgirl uniforms and their love of hentai porn... Are we now going to say that the entire adult population of japan are mentally ill? Or perverts?
Those who abuse and murder children are clearly not normal, by any difinition of the word, but I think branding them mentally ill or perverts is also a knee jerk reaction.

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
reply to post by eNumbra

 

Would you describe a perversion as a mental illness?
Those rubber fanatics, people who get a kick out of massaging feet (I know!), transvestites, homosexuality, beastiality, the list goes on... People who get a kick out of this aren't mentally ill..
Consider how the Japanese get a cheap thrill out of dressing their models in schoolgirl uniforms and their love of hentai porn... Are we now going to say that the entire adult population of japan are mentally ill? Or perverts?
Those who abuse and murder children are clearly not normal, by any difinition of the word, but I think branding them mentally ill or perverts is also a knee jerk reaction.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents

Wiki

It's a perversion to pretend, dressing up an ADULT in a school girl uniform is a fantasy. Actually being attracted to undeveloped bodies is not simply a perversion. It is defined as a psychiatric illness.

We're not talking about people attracted to adults who like to get kinky.

reply to post by eNumbra

It would be interesting to discover whether psychiatric disorder and mental illness are the same thing..?
I hear what you're saying but I think the paedophile problem goes much deeper than an individual being a perv or mentally ill. Most of them are cunning and accomplished liars. They excel at being deceitful and covering their tracks so I can't really agree with the idea that they are mentally ill.
I think they are weak people who can't control their urges. All of us can look at a 10 year old girl and realise that when she is older she's going to be good looking, but what is about paedophiles that make them take it to the next stage when they actively seek out and groom children for sex. Can it truly be diagnosed as a psychotic condition or a mental illness? Or is more likely that it is a choice caused by an individuals own views on what he or she finds attractive and a turn on. I think it has more in common with homosexuality than a mental illness. Its a choice...
Considering that if I'm right then people who abuse children should be thrown in jail for good as they did knowing full well it was disgusting and depraved and, at this moment in time, against the law. But then again, homosexuality was against the law only a short time ago...

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
reply to post by eNumbra

 

It would be interesting to discover whether psychiatric disorder and mental illness are the same thing..?
I hear what you're saying but I think the paedophile problem goes much deeper than an individual being a perv or mentally ill. Most of them are cunning and accomplished liars. They excel at being deceitful and covering their tracks so I can't really agree with the idea that they are mentally ill.

So sociopathy and psychopathy are not mental disorders because they too are accomplished liars?

I think they are weak people who can't control their urges. All of us can look at a 10 year old girl and realise that when she is older she's going to be good looking, but what is about paedophiles that make them take it to the next stage when they actively seek out and groom children for sex.

It is possible to be a pedophile and not molest children. Pedophilia is the attraction to children, a child molester is what you are describing.

Just like there are homosexuals that embrace or repress what they are, there are no doubt pedophiles that do the same.

Can it truly be diagnosed as a psychotic condition or a mental illness? Or is more likely that it is a choice caused by an individuals own views on what he or she finds attractive and a turn on. I think it has more in common with homosexuality than a mental illness. Its a choice...
Considering that if I'm right then people who abuse children should be thrown in jail for good as they did knowing full well it was disgusting and depraved and, at this moment in time, against the law. But then again, homosexuality was against the law only a short time ago...

There are few choices in human sexuality, you either swing a certain way or you don't. There are gray areas, but you choose you actions, not your attractions.

reply to post by eNumbra

"There are few choices in human sexuality, you either swing a certain way or you don't. There are gray areas, but you choose you actions, not your attractions. " quote.

Thats exactly what I said. I couldn't agree with you more.