reply to post by Jbird
I must say that I appreciate all the posts to this "hoax" thread about Nidle's downloads! I don't care about the Scientology pot shots. Comes with
the territory. I believe I have narrowed down my concerns about Nidle's messages to the point where I can write a final post that will sum up what I
have to say about the majority of these channeled messages.
Towards an understanding of The Deception
A bit of back story
I had been a student of Scientology, and off the internet, for many years. I only started seriously looking into “alternative reality” subjects on
the internet in 2009. I soon stumbled across the Project Camelot site, and decided to use it as my starting place. It took me a while to study through
most of the video interviews in their archives. After that I started listening to some of Kerry’s radio interviews. I still check in on them
periodically. That’s how I recently ran across Sheldan Nidle.
Sheldan seemed very convinced that what he was experiencing was real. But here was a story with an odd religious twist to it. I had only been
marginally aware of what might be called the “ascension movement.” Scientology was not a part of it, so I knew very little about it. I saw it as
sort of odd-ball. A spiritual-scientific amalgam that sounded like it could be pushing for the same things Hubbard was pushing for, yet totally
ignored his work.
So I decided I would do what I could to become better informed of Sheldan’s story. I downloaded all of Sheldan’s updates from his website and read
through most of them. (That’s about 250 weeks at 2-3 pages each.) I then wrote up a summary of what these ETs seemed to be telling Sheldan and
posted it on ATS and on Project Avalon. Not long after that I got a private message from an ATS moderator that my post had been moved to the
“hoaxes” category. I was upset about this, and wrote him back about it. He could not give me a really good reason for why the Galactic Federation
had been deemed a “hoax.” So I had to look further into the matter myself.
The moderator had mentioned a prediction that never happened, and NESARA. But those issues didn’t matter to me. I knew from my Scientology studies
that the religious line has been used in the past as a social control point, and that was what interested me about these messages. But Sheldan’s
updates were so full of data about how bad these covert social control mechanisms were that the anti-Nidle arguments still didn’t make sense to
Then I found another site like Sheldan’s (Lightworkers). Someone had posted some articles to this site warning us about “fake” messages and
insinuating that Sheldan’s messages were not from the “good” ETs. That’s when I realized something: All these channels can do, even if they
are acting with total integrity, is to take what they are given and pass it on. They are, in the best case, just operating as relay points for someone
else. By accepting that job they have essentially chosen to suspend their own responsibility about the effects these messages might produce on others.
They had given up their right and responsibility to think for themselves.
Back to Camelot
I was not making any progress in sorting this out. Then I ran across another Kerry Cassidy interview, this time with George Kavassilas. George claimed
to have first-hand data about these ETs and their game. But more importantly: He had refused to give up his own right and responsibility to think for
himself. And this reminded me of why I like Hubbard so much and had spent over 25 years working for his cause. He had also stood up for
self-determinism as a superior approach to life.
George and Kerry talked about what the “perfect” ploy would be to convince a population that you had their best interests at heart (if you really
didn’t.) And it was, essentially, this ascension ploy. Obviously, I was less sensitive to this phenomenon than they were, but their discussion made
sense to me.
Paradigms and Free Will
Kerry and George were struggling with words that could express the concepts that they were trying to get across. George liked to use the term
“paradigm” to stand for what we could think of as “group agreement” or “commonly-held belief system.” Hubbard’s word for a similar
concept is “game.” To play a game, you must accept a lie. But this can be done at various different levels of awareness. At the lower levels, one
feels “swept up” by the game. One has forgotten that one ever agreed to play. One must therefore come up with rationalizations for continuing to
be involved even though it’s no longer any fun. This could be termed “other-determinism.” Above that is a more causative approach to life that
nevertheless fails to view the entire picture. At this level, one feels powerful enough to choose one’s own games, yet is not aware of the option of
just not playing. This could be termed “self-determinism.” Above that there is the awareness, sometimes seen in children or actors, that one’s
games are self-created and that the best way to enjoy a game is to temporarily pretend that it is “real.” The key here is not to forget. This
could be termed “pan-determinism.”
Most of us live with different levels of awareness in different sectors of our lives. A person may be pan-determined about his recreational
activities, self-determined about his work activities, and other-determined by the global political and economic games.
The problem with the wider games of life is that most of us don’t even consider the possibility of becoming self-determined or pan-determined on
these levels. Hubbard taught that it was possible. Yet we see no great rush to learn his teachings. Most of us just can’t conceive of this.
Yet in times when one begins to feel threatened by the games others are playing, it would be great to be able to “pop out” of the situation for a
while and get some sort of higher-level perspective and understanding of what is going on. However one achieves this, it almost invariably requires
considerable strength of will.
Take George, for instance. Early in his life, attempts were made by the “bad” ETs to recruit him as an operative. He refused. They tried to force
him. He still refused. This attitude apparently attracted the attention of other ET groups who made their own attempts. For a while he fell in with
the Galactic Federation. But his insistence on being at least self-determined in these games finally lead him out of that, and to a third group that
was willing to totally grant him the right to make his own choice of games.
In George’s current paradigm, beings have the power to create their own universes and any number of games to play. When they choose to play together
in a common universe, it is always with temporary “blinders” only. One always has the option to pull out.
George believes that the various planetary bodies are operated by living beings just as we operate our bodies. Hubbard never taught this. But it is a
workable paradigm, and serves as a reminder that the planets we live on deserve our care and respect.
George sees all the other paradigms involving spiritual hierarchies which give certain groups authority over other groups as deceptive. He believes
that bad decisions made eons ago by the various space-traveling societies created situations that they still have not resolved. For one thing, their
bodies are deteriorating. They see this as a combination of a spiritual and a DNA problem. Their “answer” to this problem, apparently, is the
people of earth. They have discovered that our “old” DNA is still very much intact, and that we also have considerable spiritual potentials. Some
of them even try to flatter us with these facts. But the truth is that their own life paradigm has limitations. And they are now experiencing those
George believes that our main concern right now is with our planet and the system it is part of. Dying cultures from off planet have very little to
contribute to this process.
Hubbard believes that our main concern right now is with the fogged awareness that has resulted from our interactions with those older dying cultures.
If we do not find a way to rise above their super-concentration on the body, then we will become like them, just another dying culture. We are very
close to that point now, and have been for decades.
The ETs have created an intricate and deceptive story. And among them, apparently, there are even some that are aware of this and hope that we will
become aware of it.
But the only way you can get a certainty on what George Kavassilas or Ron Hubbard have discovered is to be willing to do without something that you
probably have come to equate with life itself; your body. I don’t know of anyone who has any certainly on higher truths that has not experienced
exteriorization in some form. Many people who have become the leaders in the “alternative realities” movement exteriorized by accident, often
quite literally. For me it happened while riding a bicycle. And that wasn’t even a very strong incident. For Hubbard it happened during a dental
operation. George has had several such experiences. And the list goes on.
For a “normal” audience, this message would be inappropriate. Most people have no concept of being able to go exterior, and in Scientology
exteriorization happens naturally as a part of the auditing process. In most other practices you have to “will” it to happen, or else rely on
chance events. I don’t recommend to anyone that they go out and “try” to go exterior. The point is this: The realization that one is separable
from the body is a key step to greater awareness of truth. Normally, this separation only happens at death. So people experience it as a huge loss and
an unwanted event. But when one accomplishes this without dying, one’s view of life can begin to shift. And one may find oneself, embarrassingly,
laughing when someone talks about how important bodies are. They are to be respected as personal property. But they are not life. Our ultimate success
depends on that realization.
Rising above the deception
Going exterior is an example of an experience which may be personally very valuable, but will have little effect when related to others. “Higher”
knowledge works this way. It often reduces to a question of personal certainty. If you wish, for instance, to give someone their own certainly abut
exteriorization, then the best way to do it would be to exteriorize them. Actually, this is something you can learn to do. But the point is that a
being has to find out for himself. One can advance one’s certainty by study alone. In this case, the materials are simply giving you a way to
understand or talk about something that you had really already experienced as true or real. When I refer people to written resources, I am hoping that
this effect will occur. But beyond that there is only living. In this regard, I can only suggest that you try understanding life without using the
belief systems that others have “taught” you. If you had no pre-existing explanation for a phenomenon, how would you explain it? Why is the sky
blue? Is it because of various optical phenomena? Or is it because it looks pretty?
I recommend this as an exercise.
I hope that the importance of this is not lost in the words. Most would agree that the challenges we are facing are quite real. It’s not that
important at what level you understand this. If you study it with the idea of increasing your own certainty, I am quite sure your appreciation for the
scope of the situation will improve. Increasing your knowledge could save your own life. But it could also save millions of others. And I’m not just
talking about bodies. So I hope that if you have read this far, you are up for the challenge. It’s not over yet.