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Attention Israeli apologists: This is why the world condemns Israel!

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by backinblack
 


Just be lucky it was'nt your family....and I'm 100% sure if it was you will FEEL what the Israelis FEEL right now!!!!
I'm not making any apologies until those involved are rounded up and THEY WILL BE ROUNDED UP if not already.
Your remark on the possibility of other "settlers" doing this crime does'nt even deserve a response!!!!


If it was my family then I wouldn't merely attack one race looking for the culprit.

And I wouldn't expect you to make an apology..
That's like the Eight Wonder of the World..An Israeli apology...




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Tayesin
It saddens me that a few can display so much hatred for Palestinians.. who are human beings just like you. Who have family, friends, and have hopes and dreams of living in peace some day.

Dreams of living in peace? Really?



TRANSCRIBED FROM THE VIDEO:

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but Allah. We will chase you everywhere. We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood.


Yeah. He sounds like a real peace-loving, tree-hugging, hippy to me. I have thousands more JUST LIKE THIS ONE. You seriously need to wake up to the fact that there are evil people in this world, and the Palestinian leadership is among the worst on the planet. Their children don't stand a chance. Even their own parents want to blow them up. If you want to pity someone, pity THEM, and then direct your outrage at those who would strap a bomb to one child in order that they might kill another.


just like you are fortunate enough to do now.


Do you consider the Israelis "fortunate?" How would you like to have 8,000 rockets and mortars rain down on your head in the space of a year (the impetus for Operation Cast Lead.) Would you consider that fortunate?


The vehemence, the anger, shown by two posters so far in this thread displays a total lack of empathy for other human beings aside from the chosen group they support.


Not human beings - MURDERERS most vile, and those who tried to hide and protect them. I wonder if those men had any empathy for the 3-month-old as they were plunging a knife repeatedly into her chest? Or the 11-year-old. Or the 4-year-old.

I noticed that you had no words of empathy for the victims, unless they were part of EVERY HUMAN BEING. How about shedding a tear or two for these babies instead of using your liberal Rodney King condescension to take a back-handed swipe at people who aren't afraid to stand up to the scum that populates our world.


Why can we not support and be empathic towards all human beings no matter who they are or where they are born?


I love human beings. I'd do almost anything for any one of them, regardless of race, creed, religion or color; but we're talking about HAMAS here (and their little Fatah brothers to a lesser extent.) I can not, and I will not empathize with them as I do not wish to pollute myself.

These are people who live to kill, and hopefully, die in the process. They WANT to die. It is literally ALL they live for. I can say that with authority because they teach their children to hate and want to kill, and die, with cartoon characters. I've watched the Palestinian show "Pioneers of Tomorrow," and it is nothing but child abuse from beginning to end.

So the Palestinian children, yes, they have my most profound empathy; as for their parents... (Insert EXTREME T&C violating phrase here.)


And why support a long term culling program against any humans beings? You know this is true, you must have read the quotes from almost every elected president since David Ben Gurion saying how they must wipe out all Palestinians.. in a variety of words?


Spoken words can be taken out of context, and everyone knows that. Hamas on the other hand has put the destruction of the Jewish people in writing, as part of their Constitution - right up top, and several times throughout:


"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." One of many sources



To support this indicates an illness in your own make-up, likely created by unhealthy indoctrinations that formed your personal perception involving such massive and un-hidden hatred toward one peoples.

How sad for you.


Whatever you say sweetheart.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Oh, OP?

F
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MODS: If any thread deserves to be relegated to the Hoax forum, it's this one.


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edit on 3/16/2011 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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There's fanatics in Israel too..

Should we start a video war ??

I could start with the one saying one jew is worth 10,000 arabs...

Or we could just stay on topic..



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by Tayesin
It saddens me that a few can display so much hatred for Palestinians.. who are human beings just like you. Who have family, friends, and have hopes and dreams of living in peace some day.

Dreams of living in peace? Really?



TRANSCRIBED FROM THE VIDEO:

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but Allah. We will chase you everywhere. We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood.


Yeah. He sounds like a real peace-loving, tree-hugging, hippy to me. I have thousands more JUST LIKE THIS ONE. You seriously need to wake up to the fact that there are evil people in this world, and the Palestinian leadership is among the worst on the planet. Their children don't stand a chance. Even their own parents want to blow them up. If you want to pity someone, pity THEM, and then direct your outrage at those who would strap a bomb to one child in order that they might kill another.


just like you are fortunate enough to do now.


Do you consider the Israelis "fortunate?" How would you like to have 8,000 rockets and mortars rain down on your head in the space of a year (the impetus for Operation Cast Lead.) Would you consider that fortunate?


The vehemence, the anger, shown by two posters so far in this thread displays a total lack of empathy for other human beings aside from the chosen group they support.


Not human beings - MURDERERS most vile, and those who tried to hide and protect them. I wonder if those men had any empathy for the 3-month-old as they were plunging a knife repeatedly into her chest? Or the 11-year-old. Or the 4-year-old.

I noticed that you had no words of empathy for the victims, unless they were part of EVERY HUMAN BEING. How about shedding a tear or two for these babies instead of using your liberal Rodney King condescension to take a back-handed swipe at people who aren't afraid to stand up to the scum that populates our world.


Why can we not support and be empathic towards all human beings no matter who they are or where they are born?


I love human beings. I'd do almost anything for any one of them, regardless of race, creed, religion or color; but we're talking about HAMAS here (and their little Fatah brothers to a lesser extent.) I can not, and I will not empathize with them as I do not wish to pollute myself.

These are people who live to kill, and hopefully, die in the process. They WANT to die. It is literally ALL they live for. I can say that with authority because they teach their children to hate and want to kill, and die, with cartoon characters. I've watched the Palestinian show "Pioneers of Tomorrow," and it is nothing but child abuse from beginning to end.

So the Palestinian children, yes, they have my most profound empathy; as for their parents... (Insert EXTREME T&C violating phrase here.)


And why support a long term culling program against any humans beings? You know this is true, you must have read the quotes from almost every elected president since David Ben Gurion saying how they must wipe out all Palestinians.. in a variety of words?


Spoken words can be taken out of context, and everyone knows that. Hamas on the other hand has put the destruction of the Jewish people in writing, as part of their Constitution - right up top, and several times throughout:


"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying." One of many sources



To support this indicates an illness in your own make-up, likely created by unhealthy indoctrinations that formed your personal perception involving such massive and un-hidden hatred toward one peoples.

How sad for you.


Whatever you say sweetheart.


Another video courtesy of the CIA-TPTB Media wing meant to keep the masses living in fear.

Instead of being quick to condemn these videos actually listen to them to see what is being said as they want what everyone wants, freedom to get an education, freedom to have a job to make a better life for all and to not have to be under 24/7 martial law.

Watch the following vid that is from an as yet unidentified group based out of Iraq that was posted to YouTube circa 2005

www.youtube.com...

Remember, you live in the USA which means unequivocally that you allegiance is sworn to the US above any other nation on Earth.
edit on 16-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
Oh, OP?

F
A
I
L


MODS: If any thread deserves to be relegated to the Hoax forum, it's this one.


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edit on 3/16/2011 by OldCorp because: (no reason given)


Stating facts is a fail??
Well I guess it is in Israel...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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reply to post by backinblack
 



Really, if you believe what you wrote I would like you to write explicitly the same thing to all the muslims on this site.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
reply to post by backinblack
 



Really, if you believe what you wrote I would like you to write explicitly the same thing to all the muslims on this site.


Did you reply to the wrong person?

I have not seen any statements by backinblack that were derogatory towards muslims...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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reply to post by VariableConstant
 



You may have noticed but our God is just. Punishment by Him is just. Because you are a free thinker does not mean you are absent from His gaze. Just because you do not believe does not mean it is not so.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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reply to post by VariableConstant
 


No, it is the right response and you are not Back in Black so if you don't mind let that person respond.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
reply to post by VariableConstant
 



You may have noticed but our God is just. Punishment by Him is just. Because you are a free thinker does not mean you are absent from His gaze. Just because you do not believe does not mean it is not so.


Punishment FROM God is just. Punishment dispensed on His behalf however, is something else altogether.

I have a question: What should be done to a young girl who is raped? How about the rapist, what is done to him?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Another video courtesy of the CIA-TPTB Media wing meant to keep the masses living in fear.

Instead of being quick to condemn these videos actually listen to them to see what is being said as they want what everyone wants, freedom to get an education, freedom to have a job to make a better life for all and to not have to be under 24/7 martial law.

Watch the following vid that is from an as yet unidentified group based out of Iraq that was posted to YouTube circa 2005

www.youtube.com...

Remember, you live in the USA which means unequivocally that you allegiance is sworn to the US above any other nation on Earth.
edit on 16-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


I watched several minutes of your video. I call BS - Particularly because 80% of the insurgents in Iraq were foreign jihadists who were just wanting to fight the US and get their ticket punched.

An "Unidentified group" huh?


I CHOOSE to swear allegiance to my country because of what it stands for, although admittedly our leaders do not always live up to those ideals. The pace of my birth gave me that right; but the only allegiance I OWE to anybody is God Almighty.
edit on 3/16/2011 by OldCorp because: The 80% line



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by habfan1968
reply to post by VariableConstant
 



You may have noticed but our God is just. Punishment by Him is just. Because you are a free thinker does not mean you are absent from His gaze. Just because you do not believe does not mean it is not so.


Punishment FROM God is just. Punishment dispensed on His behalf however, is something else altogether. - Agreed fully!

I have a question: What should be done to a young girl who is raped? How about the rapist, what is done to him? - According to the uber Christian right the rapist gets put on a pedastal while the victim gets demonized and called every name under the book.


There is one simple philosiphy that I live by and back fully :

You can do pretty well whatever you want as long as it does not cost anyone any of the following 6 factors :

1. Their life!
2. Thier home!
3. Thier family!
4. Someone's place of employment!
5. Warrant a visit from either the local PD, FD or Ambulance!
6. Warrant intrusion from Government over criminal acts!

Also add,

God/Family/Community/Government!
edit on 16-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Another video courtesy of the CIA-TPTB Media wing meant to keep the masses living in fear.

Instead of being quick to condemn these videos actually listen to them to see what is being said as they want what everyone wants, freedom to get an education, freedom to have a job to make a better life for all and to not have to be under 24/7 martial law.

Watch the following vid that is from an as yet unidentified group based out of Iraq that was posted to YouTube circa 2005

www.youtube.com...

Remember, you live in the USA which means unequivocally that you allegiance is sworn to the US above any other nation on Earth.
edit on 16-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


I watched several minutes of your video. I call BS - Particularly because 80% of the insurgents in Iraq were foreign jihadists who were just wanting to fight the US and get their ticket punched.

An "Unidentified group" huh?


I CHOOSE to swear allegiance to my country because of what it stands for, although admittedly our leaders do not always live up to those ideals. The pace of my birth gave me that right; but the only allegiance I OWE to anybody is God Almighty.
edit on 3/16/2011 by OldCorp because: The 80% line


If what was going on in The Middle East was hapening in the Carolina's make no mistake you'd be committing the same atrocious acts that these "terrorists" are committing. In foreign lands they are called terrorists but domestically they are called freedom fighters. Funny how geography changes wording.

You call bs because you are closed minded and so deep rooted into your thinking that nothing else matters and those with attitudes like that will be the first group to lose your heads when things get hairy. I, unlike you and most people am intelligent enough that will change my view and stances as more information comes hither. Those that won't need to just get out of the way as you are fighting for an ideaology of Isreali dominance and not for the ideaology of the human existance.

We are not fighting a holy war as this is not a holy war. Get that right and straight. Humanes Libretaes!
This is not a case of "Us-v-Them" but a war of "Humanity-v-TPTB". That is the only thing that matters.

In that regards we have some mutual foes.
edit on 16-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1If what was going on in The Middle East was hapening in the Carolina's make no mistake you'd be committing the same atrocious acts that these "terrorists" are committing. In foreign lands they are called terrorists but domestically they are called freedom fighters. Funny how geography changes wording.


You could not possibly be more wrong. I would never drag a child into a firefight as I've seen foreign jihadists do. I would never strap a bomb to retarded women to blow them up via remote in a pet bazaar. I would never blow up a church with people praying inside - as Muslims are wont to do on a Friday afternoon - nor would I saw the head off of an innocent telephone salesman just to make a point.

You see where I come from, we take the fight to the ENEMY! You know, the guys with the guns; the ones who can fight back. All I've seen from Muslims in war is brutality Mohammed would be proud of; and MOST of the brutality in Iraq was Arab vs, Arab, Shia vs. Sunni. Most of it was also random, and most of it was directed at civilians and the infrastructure of Iraq. Besides Fallujah, US armed forces RARELY saw a stand-up fight. It was all IEDs.

DENY THAT.

Now that we are being honest (at least I am,) I want you to read the blog posting I wrote concerning the Iraq War. We aren't that far apart on this. oldcorpblog.wordpress.com...

See? I'm NOT a shill for ANYBODY! I want everyone to understand this right now. You can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or Hindu; you can dance naked around a bonfire for all I care; but if you are a scumbag, I'm going to call you out.

It just so happens that I see Hamas and the Palestinians as the troublemakers in this situation. As evidenced by their own charter, Hamas will NEVER negotiate in good faith because it is "a waste of time."


You call bs because you are closed minded and so deep rooted into your thinking that nothing else matters and those with attitudes like that will be the first group to lose your heads when things get hairy. I, unlike you and most people am intelligent enough that will change my view and stances as more information comes hither. Those that won't need to just get out of the way as you are fighting for an ideaology of Isreali dominance and not for the ideaology of the human existance.


Not even the Israelis want dominance; they just want peace. But every time it gets close to hand, the Palestinians back away and start another intifada. They proclaim they want to die themselves. I'm just hoping they get their wish..


We are not fighting a holy war as this is not a holy war


Maybe you should spread that message. Most of your fellows didn't get the memo.

One last thing. You never gave me a straight answer on the rape thing. Wanna take another stab at it?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
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You may have noticed but our God is just. Punishment by Him is just. Because you are a free thinker does not mean you are absent from His gaze. Just because you do not believe does not mean it is not so.


I respect your opinion and beliefs, yet conversely, because you believe does not make it so.

I responded only because you appear to have misinterpreted his statement. If I am mistaken, my apologies to you.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
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Really, if you believe what you wrote I would like you to write explicitly the same thing to all the muslims on this site.


Which post are you referring to ?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Hey thanks for using an out of context video to prove your point. What you see is not the average Palestinian person who desires peace, just like the Israeli people desire Peace.

Also what you see is people fighting for their survival and freedom.. which you would do if your own nation was invaded by a regime that has constantly stated it will eradicate you from the planet. And you will fight with any weapon at your disposal.

I do not condone human bombs, I do however condone freedom fighting.

I would consider Israeli's know they are fighting in a war so will expect loses. And the numbers you quote are minimal compared with the losses on the other side of the wire.

Try to keep things in perspective mate instead of aligning with one half of a problem.. and thus also being part of the problem insead of helping to solve it.



Not human beings - MURDERERS most vile, and those who tried to hide and protect them. I wonder if those men had any empathy for the 3-month-old as they were plunging a knife repeatedly into her chest? Or the 11-year-old. Or the 4-year-old. I noticed that you had no words of empathy for the victims, unless they were part of EVERY HUMAN BEING. How about shedding a tear or two for these babies instead of using your liberal Rodney King condescension to take a back-handed swipe at people who aren't afraid to stand up to the scum that populates our world.


Mate if you settled down a little bit and listened instead of trying to read something between lines, that does not exist in my writings, you would understand I am nothing like you say I am.

I feel empathy with all suffering from any peoples, be they Palestinian, Israeli, or any other. I love all people's equally and understand both sides of a situation where I can.



I love human beings. I'd do almost anything for any one of them, regardless of race, creed, religion or color; but we're talking about HAMAS here (and their little Fatah brothers to a lesser extent.) I can not, and I will not empathize with them as I do not wish to pollute myself.


No, we are talking about who-ever murdered this family, the overbearing response to that according to an Assumption made by the IDF and how that has effected the Palestinan families searched. Even the two men in custody may not have committed this horrific deed... or are they Guilty until proven innocent in an opposed court of law?



Spoken words can be taken out of context, and everyone knows that. Hamas on the other hand has put the destruction of the Jewish people in writing, as part of their Constitution - right up top, and several times throughout


I would think that action by Hammas would be normal in such a situation as they are in. As for the quotes from elected Israeli leaders that proves the agenda to eradicate Palestinians, they are in the public domain if you wish to look for them.

On the last dig, maybe you haven't realised it yet, but everything you were ever taught from the moment of your birth is part of the Cultural Indoctrination we all receive.. the variations are location and personal-culture dependant. So until one removes that forced Belief system one can not really see a balanced view of things at all.

Be well.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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The point I am making which you clearly cannot and do not get is if these events were occuring against your family and fellow Americans the rise of The American Suicide Bomber would not be that far behind.

Look at what is causing this,

Oil, control and dominance thereof, bombing someone's home because the only crime they've ever committed was having their home built upon the largest oil reserves in the world.

Delete those factors and guess what, no more hate, no more violence.

Hence why we are currently in a long range process of phasing out and eliminating all petrolchem produced transporataion produced new by 2030 as the world can no longer put up with this problem.

Bridges are being built to connect radical Muslim with Moderate Muslims and to bridge the divide between Christians and Muslims so that we can finally come together, meet and discuss ways to end this problem once and for all.

I care not who likes this or who does not as it is not about you and about the security of every person and nation involved. For 65 years we have been turning a blind eye to the war crimes and atrocities being committed by Israel and it alone has made us less safe.

What if America was Palestine and what if say, Canada was Israel and they decided to murder Americans every time it got a bug up thier tail? What would you do then?

It is for reasons like this that I wish the rapture would occur already because those who are causing the chaos will be taken from Earth leaving only the good, honest, decent people to live under the Kingdom with 1,000 years of peace.

Terrorism can become a thing of the past if we truly want it to.
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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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Yes, the settlers were indeed on occupied land. That in itself is no reason to murder a whole family. There is not a death penalty for land theft. However, this is a mute point in light of the new information that an Asian killed the family over an unpaid bill. This is why the IDF is quietly rounding up Thai workers.



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