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No joke. This could be another tunguska Event... Look at this

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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The more evidence that is being presented in this forum is amazing and only helps back up that Tunguska and earthquakes could be related A few of you have said you disagree but haven’t given anything other than an opinion.

If Tesla caused Tunguska then why couldn’t it be related to the quakes right around that time? If a comet created Tunguska then why couldn’t the foreign body have put stress on our planet and caused earthquakes of 1904 through 1906 era. There is without question a relation between 1900 earthquakes and today’s. Is it plates alone? If it is plates alone then why isn’t it such a common occurrence to have every plate shift and start seeing earthquakes around the entire plate all at different corners of the plate? Earthquake swarms are not rare, but around the entire plate? I’m only seeing this happen in 1900 in same area that is happening now. The question is did Tunguska have anything to do with it. If it did, is it happening again?




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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i must agree with your assesment ,,,have u looked at the eq3d for the last week? amazing to look at and not all the quakes are being loaded on the globe ?is someone hiding pertinent information? carpenter44



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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There is a celestial body affecting us - the leonid elenin comet. Nasa is tracking it at:
ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

March 17 - 23 is the first important date with its orbit in relation to Earth.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by THEDUDE86 If a comet created Tunguska then why couldn’t the foreign body have put stress on our planet and caused earthquakes of 1904 through 1906 era.


Because, as I posted several pages back, the size of the object that (may have) caused Tunguska couldn't have anywhere near enough mass to have even the slightest effect on the Earth's tectonic plates.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by oxbow

Originally posted by THEDUDE86 If a comet created Tunguska then why couldn’t the foreign body have put stress on our planet and caused earthquakes of 1904 through 1906 era.


Because, as I posted several pages back, the size of the object that (may have) caused Tunguska couldn't have anywhere near enough mass to have even the slightest effect on the Earth's tectonic plates.


Even from my limited knowledge of physics, this should obviously be the case.

That said, don't some large astronomical bodies cause smaller bodies (meteorites, comets, etc) to careen off of their paths? Is it at all possible that some other, larger celestial body could have both had an effect on the plate and sent a meteorite/comet fragment/piece of 'space junk' careening towards Earth and, in that way, both affected the tectonic plates for the earthquakes and directed the Tunguska object towards Earth?

An astronomer's opinion would be appreciated.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Is this because of the Japan earthquakes or a trigger for another?

50 Earthquakes in 8hr 42min All, around the Mediterranean
www.emsc-csem.org...




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Agarta
Is this because of the Japan earthquakes or a trigger for another?
50 Earthquakes in 8hr 42min All, around the Mediterranean




How about this? Follow the link below just for fun....

______beforeitsnews/story/288/821/Mysterious_Vortex_Warned_Is_Creating_Global_Weather_Catastrophe.html

Mabey this has something to do with it:

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Not on either side of the debate just a few questions.

If this cluster of quakes around the pacific plate was caused by the approach of a celestial body why does it not affect the other plates? or did it and is it?

Why do other close passing objects not cause the same?

On the plus side do the changes monitored on other planets add weight to the possibility of a celestial influence.

The above makes me think for your idea to work the cause would be more local as in our sun and moon.

In your defence I don’t recall you saying this event is cyclical just that you think the events now mirror that in the 1900 to 1908 period.

It is easy to bulk out your idea with die off's, global warming and such but you can make most things fit if you try hard enough.

People find patterns in everything, betting shops rely on it because they make loads out of people getting it wrong so I think you need to do a lot more research but you have thrown a good point of view into the pot and made me read through a huge thread end to end which I tend not to do especially on this type of topic.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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The earthquake data is interesting, however I cannot agree with any celestial body having anything to do with activity in the ring of fire. If that were so, then we would be seeing massive navigational errors in the hundreds of satellites that orbit this earth, especially those that provide GPS data.

This is not happening, and I would know because I work with many of them.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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I would think tide tables would become pretty inaccurate as well.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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You might be able to corralate the EQ's with a comet...maybe, but to directly link it to a incoming comet impact or a brush is not answered. Only a possibility.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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A lot of quakes are happening all over the world right now.
Alaska,Cali.,Italy,Turkey are in the 2.something
The plate Japan is on has had huge activity and on the plate next to it in Russia there have been a couple 4.4 and 4.9 quakes.The fault this is on runs right through the middle of lake Baikal which has layered gas hydrate. If these were to fracture there could be a release of gas.
Tunguska is very close by lake Baikal.
I don't know if this is what happened at Tunguska long ago but the only problem I see with this idea is that it makes sense.

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Jazzscapez
Perhaps the earth is evolving.

I know...i know...."wheres the proof"
Im just trying to think positive in this massive event that is taking place.
My disaster plan is well laid out. I felt this coming....and i prepared.

I think good days are ahead of us though.
This could be the awakening the world needs.

God bless japan and all effected.
Lets try to stay human and compassionate for one of another.
Lets learn from this experience.

You know what...if a comet hit or an astroid was going to hit here where i am in Massachusetts.
I would stand tall and proud that i had this experience with my fellow brothers and sisters.
We are all in this together.
God bless you all.

S+F for trying to spread the truth man.
This week has greatly uplifted my spirit for human potential.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Gravity Basics

Premise: There was a series of earthquakes in the early 1900's, then Tunguska, then more earthquakes. Therefore, whatever caused The Tunguska Event (a comet) was influencing earthquakes. The same pattern, a hundred years later, appears, and that points to the fact that there is another Tunguska Event about to occur. Am I right so far?

Facts: The Tunguska Event was a singularity. It occurred ONCE on June 30th, 1908. It hit a forest in Siberia, wiping some 85 million kilometers of forest. It was never fully explained. Tesla, well, he may have test fired Wardenclyffe at that time, but he's not around anymore and his tower is gone, so that probability can't reoccur.

Facts: In 1908 we didn't have the technology we use today. Today we have amateur astronomers (such as myself) that search the skies the world over and report events we find in the skies. They even have automated telescopes that you can access via a web browser and input a few coordinates and poof, they will email you a pic automatically. There are thousands of them in arrays, all looking to spot anomalies, moving things, like comets and asteroids. The sky is being watched, not only by TPTB, but by plain folks, like the amateur astronomer in Russia that discovered Elenin. What was his last name? We have maps of PHAs (potentially hazardous asteroids), but we do know where they are and can spot them. Nothing comet like can sneak up on us.

Facts: Comets orbit the sun in an elliptical path, caught in the sun's gravitational field. Asteroids are big chucks of rock going where ever they please. The earth is also caught in the sun's gravity well, as well as the planets in our solar system. The sun in this solar system is the controlling gravitational force. The whole theory of gravity is about mass and distance. The earth obeys the sun. Comets and asteroids obey the the sun, when in CLOSE proximity. An object out past Saturn, especially a comet, can have no gravitational influence on the earth. However, if we are talking about two masses in relation to one another, the earth and a comet, and the corresponding interaction, the effect would be something to the effect of .000000000136. (ok, I did fudge that number, but the numbers after doing the math are really tiny.)

Facts: The earth has a molten core. It rotates. That produces an electromagnetic shield. Woo-Hoo, we have a magnetic buffer against solar radiation. The earth has a specific mass. We obey the earth. Our mass is so small compared to the earth, that we cling to it. That's the local version of gravity. That molten core? It's a perfectly balanced EM generator. Or it would be, without influence from outside gravitational effects. The system establishes equilibrium, save the few extinction events every few million years. We are here observing this, aren't we?

Story: I researched the "Noah's Flood" story once. I had a buddy that helped me. We took into account every factor imaginable, from mountain heights, volumes of the world's oceans, land-mass, etc, and we came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough water available to completely flood the earth. We even factored in the highest mountains in the world, on every continent. The only way it would be possible to flood the entire earth was if you added a comet that was a sphere two miles wide, solid ice, and it evaporated in the atmosphere and added it's volume to our biosphere. That was years ago we calculated that. Off topic, but hey, comet related.

Conclusion: Comets don't have enough mass to cause gravitational events, from a distance. In close range, another story, but we could see any close objects to account for the tectonic activity. They have nothing to do with tectonic plate movements from a distance. Comets, or any other extra-solar anomaly can't cause any form of tectonic movement, plate shifting is due to internal forces and gravitational effects produced by the sun. In short, the more massive object exerts the major influence, while the smaller massed object experiences it.

Comet=small influence. Earth=moderate influence, but must be within orbital range. Sun=extreme influence, not fully understood, but someday soon perhaps.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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comet =small influence
and the moon=?
and the super moon =?
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Well I doubt that a celestial body is causing the earthquakes. Just have a look at his:



This graph looks like we have been under the influence of a celestial body for about 55 years, with a 25 years interruption. How to explain that?

I created a thread about increasing earthquakes with a magnitude higher than 7 here.

For me its just mother earth. There are cycles we don't understand yet. The tectonic plates are moving. Tension is building up, then released. Maybe after the release it will be pretty quiet for decades. Until it starts again. No magic, no doom, but earthquakes. At the moment, the activity concentrates along one fault line. So that would support my theory.

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by ArchaeologyUnderground
That said, don't some large astronomical bodies cause smaller bodies (meteorites, comets, etc) to careen off of their paths? Is it at all possible that some other, larger celestial body could have both had an effect on the plate and sent a meteorite/comet fragment/piece of 'space junk' careening towards Earth and, in that way, both affected the tectonic plates for the earthquakes and directed the Tunguska object towards Earth?

An astronomer's opinion would be appreciated.


I've been researching and observing meteors and meteor showers for over a decade, and IMO the answer is...

Yes, large celestial bodies have an influence on meteoroids, asteroids, and comets, but that influence is very weak unless the bodies are relatively close to each other. Yes they can send objects towards us, but those objects won't suddenly start to defy the laws of physics and have an effect on us from a distance.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Looking and reading all the posts on this thread, I have some thoughts.
THEDUDE86 is youngish and is not experienced in life or he would not have started this thread, he's either a glutton for punishment as people on Forums can be rather nasty, or he really wants to know what is being hidden from him. I am not ridiculing this bloke but if he knew what he was getting into, he may come to regret it.

I forget her name but the french lady astronaut said it well, 'Earth should be told' and then they drugged her, destroyed her paperwork and then destroyed her lab. So be careful.

Matrix comes to mind, and the choice between the red pill and the blue pill. Except in this thread if you knew the real answer, one pill would equal death threats and assassination attempts, the other blissful ignorance.

Earlier on, I could tell you nearly lost it, you know there is something you are not being told.
When you actually realize what the real object that is causing all these events, then you will have at least a week of madness and if you are strong you'll recover.
Maybe it is right that the people shouldn't know, as it will tip the BALANCE and then hell on earth will become real. Don't read anymore if you have a heart complaint.

Go to AriesJedi channel on Youtube, press the playlist button and scroll down to the seventh playlist and view if you dare. Pay particular attention to the sun videos. Sick bag at the ready.

I wish I didn't know but I was lead on this path, and I have had attempts on mine and my family's lives. I am lucky as I am small fry and they think noone would believe me. I'm like Miss Marple, you wouldn't think I have an IQ of 156, to look at me.
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I like to think outside the box and I have some thoughts on Tunguska.
(I personally think it is all linked but not how you want it to be linked.)
(What if Tesla brought the alien craft down using his machine and they don't want you to know, as it would make a good weapon against the aliens. Maybe that's what is happening now???)

If you read Wikipedia there is mention of a high ratio of nickel to iron which is suggestive of a meteorite OR extraterrestrial origin.
Go back to that channeling RA bloke (they only tell half truths, the trick is to decide what the truth is) and believe the drone story BUT disbelieve the reason they were watching that particular area.
They were watching a prison;
Under Siberia is Hell/ Sheol/Hades.

I know, this is where you go WHAT THE ...?

There is a youtube video that tells about a Russian drilling operation to record seismic sounds, instead they get sounds of millions of people screaming.
Many myths tell of an underground Hades. Even the Vikings tell of 7-9 underground races and now that is feasible as we have reports of DUMBs. And so has a 'hidden in plain sigh't map from an Egyptian carving involving Akhanaten and Nefertiti pointed to known underground race. So does the Bible and the Koran.

It is also a prison for the 180,000,000 human-hybrid, Nephilim, according to the Book of Jubilee and the Book of Enoch. No need for a twelfth planet, there have been here all the time.

There is said to be a mile of rock solid, basaltic lava (I'm tired as it's 2.30am) over the area of Tunguska which would be impossible to dig through, without tools.

In one TV program about Tunguska, I remember hearing one geologist say he thought it was amazing that the exact same area could have a Verne shot gas pipe type eruption and then a impact.
Last year there was another impact in Siberia-maybe someone's testing the prison door?

As Take That sing, 'There'll be trouble when the kids come out' (the kids of the fallen angels). This could be the fifth trumpet.

Before you go 'off topic'. Trumpets used to be the lowest and loudest sounding instruments in ancient times.
And Chandra X-ray Observatory found the lowest sound in the universe;

Quote from Chandra release 03-284 9th Sept 2003
"NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory detected sound waves, for the first time, from a super-massive black hole. The "note" is the deepest ever detected from an object in the universe. The tremendous amounts of energy carried by these sound waves may solve a longstanding problem in astrophysics.
The black hole resides in the Perseus cluster, located 250 million light years from Earth. In 2002, astronomers obtained a deep Chandra observation that shows ripples in the gas filling the cluster. These ripples are evidence for sound waves that have traveled hundreds of thousands of light years away from the cluster's central black hole.
We have observed the prodigious amounts of light and heat created by black holes, now we have detected the sound," said Andrew Fabian of the Institute of Astronomy (IoA) in Cambridge, England, and leader of the study.
In musical terms, the pitch of the sound generated by the black hole translates into the note of B flat. But, a human would have no chance of hearing this cosmic performance, because the note is 57 octaves lower than middle-C (by comparison a typical piano contains only about seven octaves). At a frequency over a million, billion times deeper than the limits of human hearing, this is the deepest note ever detected from an object in the universe."

Look up black holes and you'll see it can explain all what is happening and has been around well before the latest technological advances, including Tesla.
Nazis have a Black sun as their symbol-I think it's a good description of a black hole.
Ask yourself what does our sun go around? It's called the Barycentre; Or a stellar mass black hole.

Don't believe me, lead peaceful lives, don't have nightmares.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Absolutely agree

If the tectonic plate is a single entity and it's moved catastrophically in several places around its rim, then movement at other locations on the rim are pretty much a certainty sometime in the near future geologically speaking because if any part moves, it increases the stress at every other point on the rim where it's in contact with other plates. So I agree that there's definitely an increased likelihood now of more quakes on the eastern edge of the pacific which could be tomorrow or centuries from now but not worth the energy lost worrying about it.

As for Tunguska, celestial influences etc - no way
And the 'Super Moon', just how 'super' is it?
I believe it's about 3cm closer which wouldn't even be measurable except for the laser reflector placed on the moon by the Apollo missions. Something like less than 8 x 10^-9 % closer which really is a 'virtual zero' as will be the gravitational variation it produces.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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What if the thing that is influencing earthquake activity is the same thing that is affecting the comet’s activity? What if the sun is responsible for both? What if the moon is augmenting this? I mean the sun, moon and Earth are like this, *crosses index and middle finger* and the sun is capable of making anything that surrounds it its bitch…

The sun does possess the most power here, without a doubt. And what if the sun knows what it’s doing? In my opinion, comets are like pawns, simply used, not capable of much self-determination. The Earth, moon, and most importantly, our glorious sun, are really where it’s at. I don’t know why we fight it. We found out a long time ago. We’re not the center of the universe. We’re just a part of a bigger process, of which we have little knowledge. (That is not to say we have no impact - but rather limited understanding of it)

I have been recently introduced to the "Electric Universe" theory by PuterMan and gringoboy. While I am nowhere near being knowledgeable on this subject, it has illuminated many things I have often pondered; electrical currents throughout the universe would really make sense; especially electrical currents that flow between comets and the sun. What the implications of this would ultimately be, I have no idea, but I am certain that it would translate to disturbances in our electromagnetic field at the very least.

Disturbances in the electromagnetic field; I keep being led back to this. I started noticing changes in myself many months ago. Insomnia. Headaches. Earaches. Ringing in the ears. Heart palpitations. Weakened immune system. They started happening more and more. Then I started noticing that my friends and family were complaining of the like. Then strangers. Then animals started to act up. I started reading of the mass animal deaths. Seemingly abnormal earthquake activity. Seemingly abnormal crust movement and changes. Cultural changes. Every time I researched, I was somehow led back to electromagnetic field and the sun. Then of course, has been my own intuition that says something major is changing. Last night, my daughter remarked how weird it was that the morning birds were chirping and yet it was only just after midnight. It was true. They were chirping like it was morning. In fact, I hear them singing now. A Google search led to this article

So what’s currently going on with the sun? It is heading toward its maximum and seems to be drawing in a lot of objects. I was puzzled by the story of 25 comets diving in to the sun. Anyway, as far as objects coming in close contact with the sun, the most significant is easily, Elenin. Why? Because it is unprecedented. It involves a combination of factors that have never been presented in recorded history. See, you have to look at the big picture. Comets aren’t that much all by themselves. But add in some mitigating factors and you got yourself an area of interest. That interest exists here. Any of the factors all alone by themselves wouldn’t be a big deal, but there are so many at one time right now. This is supposed to be, at minimum, a spectacular worldwide event. And why it hasn’t been tackled in the media (I mean Time Magazine did a front page fluff piece on technological singularity even, for crying out loud) it's odd. I’m sure writers have written about it. Why are publishers avoiding it? I mean, not even the tabloids? There must be a serious force on the beat here. Just my observation.

"Facts: The Tunguska Event was a singularity. It occurred ONCE on June 30th, 1908."

We can't know that for certain - we only posses a very finite piece of history.

As far as the story of Noah, well, I think that accounts of ancient people reflect things in their own context. The author of Genesis never purported to be a scientist. If all of the areas they knew were flooded I can see how they would assume the whole Earth had been flooded. Or maybe they were exaggerating on purpose to sell their message. But was there a massive flood? We know there has been a few times over.

The ones that see it coming are trying their best to figure out the cause. There is no single cause. It is a culmination of factors. A major end/beginning of many cycles all at once. And a major one overall. Is the cycle solely based on real time? Or is it based on signals set forth by a series of events that we are responsible for? We think that the timing of these events are automatic, based on things that have nothing to do with us.

What if human beings spoil like clockwork? What if it is our #-ups that make Earth call out to the sun for help every time? I think of this every time I go out and work in my garden. I think about the micro-organisms and how they can be good and they can be bad for the soil. I think of how I have to till and toil at the end of every winter. How I have to prepare, upturn, and enrich the Earth, every year. Would this not happen on a greater scale?

Lastly, I turn to my common theme of understanding. Supervenience. How much sense it makes.

I’ve had some wine. Forgive me for the length. Hopefully it’s on topic enough.




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