reply to post by B.Morrison
G'day B.M., I see what you mean vague laws are bad, ie. the drug driving laws here, it is up to the discretion of the police officer to decide if he
thinks a driver is "adversly" affected by legal presciption drugs. I could be reletively unaffected by my pain medication but if the officer
decide's he don't like me he can send me for a blood test and if "any" drugs on the list are in my system I go to court, it dosen't have to be an
illeagal drug. It's any drug on the list if the officer decide's I am adversly affected. Basically it is another tool to they can use to harass
people they don't like.
If I seen a policeman beating sombody for no reason or using unecessary force or committing a crime and I had a camera. I would copy the photo or
video and send one copy to A Current Affair or similar. They can get consent and air it, if they don't I would then send a copy to the crime and
misconduct commission, with a wittness. Then if nothing happens. I would likely take it to a lawer or justice of the peace for wittnessing, then
Anonomously start giving copies to every media outlet I could afford to send it to. No need to send it to youtube.
However in certain circumstances it might be worth taking the risk of prosecution and publishing it, after all the person getting beaten might be me
next time if nothing is done, doing nothing is not an option for me.
I can see your point but trying to influence the legislation process won't work anyway. Not unless we all stand up and speak at once.
I'm still not sure who would be the one being degraded or humiliated. The policeman or the one being needlessly beaten. I guess it would be the
policeman. If he considered he was doing his job how could he claim to be humiliated or degraded by images of him doing his job. For me to recognise
him as a policeman he would need to be in uniform or identifyable as a policeman. A policeman committing a crime has no pride to damage so it would be
difficult to claim he was humiliated.
There is only one person who can determin if they are humiliated or degraded by something, that is the person themselves, if the person who got beaten
felt degraded, for this to be known to the police to enforce the legislation the person who was beaten by the policeman would have to complain to the
police to get anything done.
I agree less laws are better, however this type of behavior needs to be delt with and without mob rule or lynch mobs the police and the courts will
need to do it but they cannot act without legislation to enable charges.
If they enact this legislation will it stop the media filming people in degrading situations ? No I don't think so they will just black out any
identifying feature's or such, run the story and provide the unaltered images to the relevent authorities. Which is what we should do if all else
fails to produce justice.
Sometime's for the greater good sacrifices must be made.
I didn't mean to suggest you were against doing something about schoolyard bully assaults and subsequent posting of images of it. Just that sometimes
looking at it from the victims point of view is usefull.
I do agree with you there are way too many vague laws already it should be worked out better. But there should be no tolerance and harsh penalties for
kids that do these things or adults for that matter. Maybe if it is children involved some concessions should be given if the bully gets schooled by
the victim then appologises in public thereby humiliating their own self as part of the learning experience.
I am quite liberal in my views on most things but I really detest this fad of kids beating other kids for video upload opporunities.
It is easy to easy to make assumptions in an online forum, I should be more thoughtfull in my posts. You are obviously an intellegent person with with
a good sense of what is right and what is wrong. And I must say that anything I say is only my opinion I don't profess to know a lot about law
because I just do what I feel is right in a given situation for me.
I just hope something effective can be done before more kids are damaged mentally or phisically. It is not always an option for some kids to do what
Casey did, and it was very dangerous the bully could have been killed if his head got cracked open. The bully himself was likely bullied by the punks
behind the camera. It needs to be investigated by the police and charges laid for assault more than anything, is there any reason the exsiting
defamation laws could not be used to punish the publishing thing if it could it would seem the authorities have just been using the "there is no laws
to punish them" line as an excuse to do nothing. For some reason. Lazy maybe.