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And so it begins. Radiation finally reaches my area //might get evacuated

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posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Versa
reply to post by kroms33

This bit stuck me as odd too...

Where are you meant to get natural, organic, fresh, unprocessed foods when A. you can't go out and B. your in a radiation zone
Which brings to mind how all the ground this radioactive dust falls on will bring forth irradiated crops as well for years to come.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 07:34 PM
I really hope everything works out for you. I think you should talk about what to do with your parents. I don't think the decision should be only theirs.

Keep us informed.

edit on 15/3/2011 by monkeyman03 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 07:45 PM
Prayers sent for you and all the Japanese people. Listen to your parents. They love you more than anything and I guarantee if they felt you were in real danger from radiation would be sending you back to the states to be with other family to stay while they sorted out things. Its what I would do if I had to stay in a dangerous area and couldn't leave. One call to family in the states that the kids would be at whatever airport and to meet them there.

Scary times.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 07:51 PM
Forget the permission. Just leave. Seriously, how would they know what you were doing? For all they know, you are just going to visit a friend for a day...who happens to live out of town... Then once you are at "your friends" place... Maybe you just decide to stay....

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:23 PM
reply to post by EvolEric

No pandas in Japan bro.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:31 PM
Just found this article from 2004


Japan's Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette
Sunday, May 23, 2004

Special to The Japan Times

Of all the places in all the world where no one in their right mind would build scores of nuclear power plants, Japan would be pretty near the top of the list.

The Japanese archipelago is located on the so-called Pacific Rim of Fire, a large active volcanic and tectonic zone ringing North and South America, Asia and island arcs in Southeast Asia. The major earthquakes and active volcanoes occurring there are caused by the westward movement of the Pacific tectonic plate and other plates leading to subduction under Asia.

Japan sits on top of four tectonic plates, at the edge of the subduction zone, and is in one of the most tectonically active regions of the world. It was extreme pressures and temperatures, resulting from the violent plate movements beneath the seafloor, that created the beautiful islands and volcanoes of Japan.

An aerial view of the Hamaoka plant in Shizuoka Prefecture,
"the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan"

Nonetheless, like many countries around the world -- where General Electric and Westinghouse designs are used in 85 percent of all commercial reactors -- Japan has turned to nuclear power as a major energy source. In fact the three top nuclear-energy countries are the United States, where the existence of 118 reactors was acknowledged by the Department of Energy in 2000, France with 72 and Japan, where 52 active reactors were cited in a December 2003 Cabinet White Paper.

The 52 reactors in Japan -- which generate a little over 30 percent of its electricity -- are located in an area the size of California, many within 150 km of each other and almost all built along the coast where seawater is available to cool them.

However, many of those reactors have been negligently sited on active faults, particularly in the subduction zone along the Pacific coast, where major earthquakes of magnitude 7-8 or more on the Richter scale occur frequently. The periodicity of major earthquakes in Japan is less than 10 years. There is almost no geologic setting in the world more dangerous for nuclear power than Japan -- the third-ranked country in the world for nuclear reactors.

"I think the situation right now is very scary," says Katsuhiko Ishibashi, a seismologist and professor at Kobe University. "It's like a kamikaze terrorist wrapped in bombs just waiting to explode."

Last summer, I visited Hamaoka nuclear power plant in Shizuoka Prefecture, at the request of citizens concerned about the danger of a major earthquake. I spoke about my findings at press conferences afterward.

A map of Japan annotated by the author, showing the tectonic plates,
areas of high ("observed region") and very high ("specially observed")
quake risk, and the sites of nuclear reactors

Because Hamaoka sits directly over the subduction zone near the junction of two plates, and is overdue for a major earthquake, it is considered to be the most dangerous nuclear power plant in Japan.

Together with local citizens, I spent the day walking around the facility, collecting rocks, studying the soft sediments it sits on and tracing the nearly vertical faults through the area -- evidence of violent tectonic movements.

The next day I was surprised to see so many reporters attending the two press conferences held at Kakegawa City Hall and Shizuoka Prefecture Hall. When I asked the reporters why they had come so far from Tokyo to hear an American geoscientist, I was told it was because no foreigner had ever come to tell them how dangerous Japan's nuclear power plants are.

I told them that this is the power of gaiatsu (foreign pressure), and because citizens in the United States with similar concerns attract little media attention, we invite a Japanese to speak for us when we want media coverage -- someone like the famous seismologist Professor Ishibashi!

When the geologic evidence was presented confirming the extreme danger at Hamaoka, the attending media were obviously shocked. The aerial map, filed by Chubu Electric Company along with its government application to build and operate the plant, showed major faults going through Hamaoka, and revealed that the company recognized the danger of an earthquake. They had carefully placed each reactor between major fault lines.

"The structures of the nuclear plant are directly rooted in the rock bed and can tolerate a quake of magnitude 8.5 on the Richter scale," the utility claimed on its Web site.

From my research and the investigation I conducted of the rocks in the area, I found that that the sedimentary beds underlying the plant were badly faulted. Some tiny faults I located were less than 1 cm apart.

When I held up samples of the rocks the plant was sitting on, they crumbled like sugar in my fingers. "But the power company told us these were really solid rocks!" the reporters said. I asked, "Do you think these are really solid?' and they started laughing.

On July 7 last year, the same day of my visit to Hamaoka, Ishibashi warned of the danger of an earthquake-induced nuclear disaster, not only to Japan but globally, at an International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics conference held in Sapporo. He said: "The seismic designs of nuclear facilities are based on standards that are too old from the viewpoint of modern seismology and are insufficient. The authorities must admit the possibility that an earthquake-nuclear disaster could happen and weigh the risks objectively."

After the greatest nuclear power plant disaster in Japan's history at Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture, in September 1999, large, expensive Emergency Response Centers were built near nuclear power plants to calm nearby residents. After visiting the center a few kilometers from Hamaoka, I realized that Japan has no real nuclear-disaster plan in the event that an earthquake damaged a reactor's water-cooling system and triggered a reactor meltdown.

Additionally, but not even mentioned by ERC officials, there is an extreme danger of an earthquake causing a loss of water coolant in the pools where spent fuel rods are kept. As reported last year in the journal Science and Global Security, based on a 2001 study by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, if the heat-removing function of those pools is seriously compromised -- by, for example, the water in them draining out -- and the fuel rods heat up enough to combust, the radiation inside them will then be released into the atmosphere. This may create a nuclear disaster even greater than Chernobyl.

If a nuclear disaster occurred, power-plant workers as well as emergency-response personnel in the Hamaoka ERC would immediately be exposed to lethal radiation. During my visit, ERC engineers showed us a tiny shower at the center, which they said would be used for "decontamination' of personnel. However, it would be useless for internally exposed emergency-response workers who inhaled radiation.

When I asked ERC officials how they planned to evacuate millions of people from Shizuoka Prefecture and beyond after a Kobe-magnitude earthquake (Kobe is on the same subduction zone as Hamaoka) destroyed communication lines, roads, railroads, drinking-water supplies and sewage lines, they had no answer.

Last year, James Lee Witt, former director of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency, was hired by New York citizens to assess the U.S. government's emergency-response plan for a nuclear power plant disaster. Citizens were shocked to learn that there was no government plan adequate to respond to a disaster at the Indian Point nuclear reactor, just 80 km from New York City.

The Japanese government is no better prepared, because there is no adequate response possible to contain or deal with such a disaster. Prevention is really the only effective measure to consider.

In 1998, Kei Sugaoka, 51, a Japanese-American senior field engineer who worked for General Electric in the United States from 1980 until being dismissed in 1998 for whistle-blowing there, alerted Japanese nuclear regulators to a 1989 reactor inspection problem he claimed had been withheld by GE from their customer, Tokyo Electric Power Company. This led to nuclear-plant shutdowns and reforms of Japan's power industry.

Later it was revealed from GE documents that they had in fact informed TEPCO -- but that company did not notify government regulators of the hazards.

Yoichi Kikuchi, a Japanese nuclear engineer who also became a whistle-blower, has told me personally of many safety problems at Japan's nuclear power plants, such as cracks in pipes in the cooling system from vibrations in the reactor. He said the electric companies are "gambling in a dangerous game to increase profits and decrease government oversight."

Sugaoka agreed, saying, "The scariest thing, on top of all the other problems, is that all nuclear power plants are aging, causing a deterioration of piping and joints which are always exposed to strong radiation and heat."

Like most whistle-blowers, Sugaoka and Kikuchi are citizen heroes, but are now unemployed.

The Radiation and Public Health Project, a group of independent U.S. scientists, has collected 4,000 baby teeth from children living around nuclear power plants. These teeth were then tested to determine their level of Strontium-90, a radioactive fission product that escapes in nuclear power plant emissions.

Unborn children may be exposed to Strontium-90 through drinking water and the diet of the mother. Anyone living near nuclear power plants is internally exposed to chronically low levels of radiation contaminating food and drinking water. Increased rates of cancer, infant mortality and low birth weights leading to cognitive impairment have been linked to radiation exposure for decades.

However, a recent independent report on low-level radiation by the European Committee on Radiation Risk, released for the European Parliament in January 2003, established that the ongoing U.S. Atomic and Hydrogen Bomb Studies conducted in Japan by the U.S. government since 1945 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors underestimated the risk of radiation exposure as much as 1,000 times.

Additionally, on March 26 this year -- the eve of the 25th anniversary of the worst nuclear disaster in U.S. history, at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania -- the Radiation and Public Health Project released new data on the effects of that event. This showed rises in infant deaths up to 53 percent, and in thyroid cancer of more than 70 percent in downwind counties -- data which, like all that concerning both the short- and long-term health effects, has never been forthcoming from the U.S. government.

It is not a question of whether or not a nuclear disaster will occur in Japan; it is a question of when it will occur.

Like the former Soviet Union after Chernobyl, Japan will become a country suffering from radiation sickness destroying future generations, and widespread contamination of agricultural areas will ensure a public-health disaster. Its economy may never recover.

Considering the extreme danger of major earthquakes, the many serious safety and waste-disposal issues, it is timely and urgent -- with about half its reactors currently shut down -- for Japan to convert nuclear power plants to fossil fuels such as natural gas. This process is less expensive than building new power plants and, with political and other hurdles overcome, natural gas from the huge Siberian reserves could be piped in at relatively low cost. Several U.S. nuclear plants have been converted to natural gas after citizen pressure forced energy companies to make changeovers.

Commenting on this way out of the nuclear trap, Ernest Sternglass, a renowned U.S. scientist who helped to stop atmospheric testing in America, notes that, 'Most recently the Fort St. Vrain reactor in Colorado was converted to fossil fuel, actually natural gas, after repeated problems with the reactor. An earlier reactor was the Zimmer Power Plant in Cincinnati, which was originally designed as a nuclear plant but it was converted to natural gas before it began operating. This conversion can be done on any plant at a small fraction [20-30 percent] of the cost of building a new plant. Existing turbines, transmission facilities and land can be used."

After converting to natural gas, the Fort St. Vrain plant produced twice as much electricity much more efficiently and cheaply than from nuclear energy -- with no nuclear hazard at all, of course.

It is time to make the changeover from nuclear fuel to fossil fuels in order to save future generations and the economy of Japan.

Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who worked at the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory on the Yucca Mountain Project, and became a whistle-blower in 1991 by reporting science fraud on the project and at Livermore. She is an independent and international radiation specialist, and the Environmental Commissioner in the city of Berkeley, Calif. She has visited Japan four times to work with Japanese citizens, scientists and elected officials on radiation and peace issues. She can be contacted at

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:40 PM

Originally posted by guyopitz
This is a tragedy and words fail.
Good luck and be safe.

I felt this should be repeated.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:41 PM
Hey friend. You have thousands of ATS members wishing for your well being. Sorry we can't help you out physically but maybe some of the words of wisdom you have read will do you some good emotionally.

I have been to Japan a number of times but sadly it was only to connect to another plane. In one of my trips there I had a nice conversation with two ladies who screen carry-on luggage. I never found out where they lived in Japan. I hope they are safe as well as you.

I remember a time at the Narita airport when I had to plug in my laptop computer for recharging. Little did I know the power source came from the Nuclear power plants from the north which are causing all of this grief we are talking about now.

When watching CNN they say every Japanese person is acting with the utmost civility. I wish the rest of the world acted that way.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:41 PM
reply to post by iAnjo

Don't leave the school unless you have a vehicle.Drive away from the wind if possible to get to you destination.When your get home seal you doors and windows and any other hole where air could get in.

Keep us updated please,you are the best source of info right now seeing how you are there.Good luck!

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:48 PM
Good luck...I hope this nightmare will end soon

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:53 PM
reply to post by iAnjo

Awh hon TRY to stay calm if you can.I know easier said than done.....If you can, quit reading any threads on ATS that will stress you any more than you already are..Glad to hear you are leaving Japan for a time...I send love and prayers to you and all the wonderful people of Japan....

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:56 PM
reply to post by iAnjo

Good! i see you are more calmer.Take good care my friend!...Hugs

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:56 PM
Good luck to you. I hope you get out.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 08:58 PM
Heads-up west coast ... earthquake comming !

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:20 PM

Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
Fellow ATS Members:

This is not a movie or a video game. Please do not advise this young person to "get the F out". What are they supposed to do?

Don't sit on your couch or office chair and give irrational advice.

Everyone near the affected area is in the same situation. If they have the means, they are already doing what they can.

You're not being a help.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:32 PM

Originally posted by artistpoet
Just found this article from 2004


Japan's Deadly Game of Nuclear Roulette
Sunday, May 23, 2004

Special to The Japan Times

this alone is worth a thread

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:35 PM
reply to post by iAnjo

Hon you do not need to apologize all of us new what you meant and what was happening the ones that didn't just ignore.....I am very impressed with your maturity and not listening to those giving bad advice.....You are to be commended for the respect you have for your Mom and Dad to....My thoughts and prayers are with you.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:39 PM
Yea this is what i dislike about schools. My school says if theres any type of emergency either chemical stuff like that we are required to stay at school. I even told my teacher you can try all you want, but im not staying at school. that is the dumbest idea ever

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Chinesis

Originally posted by iAnjo
What's bad is, my school knows this yet they still won't let us out. Teachers are panicking as well as students. We might get evacuated soon

Dude, are you nuts? Being in Japan-period you are screwed.
If you had an asma attack would you raise your hand to be excused and get an inhaler?

Geez, dude. Grow a pair and GTF (or H) out of there NOW.

lol at "they won't let us out" Do they keep you quarantined under 24hr lock down at your school?

No you are the one that's nuts,you are talking to a KID.

posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 09:49 PM
This kid is going to school at Zama American High School a DOD School on Camp Zama (a U.S. Army installation). More than likely the dependent child of a U.S. service member stationed in Japan. He's no worse off in his school than he would be in his house located on or near said base. I'm sure the Base Commander is up to speed on the situation and is taking precautions to protect his troops and their families.

One advantage he does have over his Japanese hosts. If it gets too bad the U.S. will evac him and his family stateside.

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