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posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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It always amazes me how liberals are called, brainwashed, gullible, etc. while CONservatives ride around in their cars all day listening to Rush, G. Gordon Conman, etc.

I remember when I was on the road in outside sales and the only radio station my car would pick up had these incessant blowhards on it. They spit more lies in a 30 minute time period it is almost incomprehensible how anyone could continue to listen to them. Talking about brainwashing.




posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 01:10 PM
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donguillermo,

Thanks, for the nice pic, It tells you that bush secret weapon for bosting his oppinion polls have to come from somewhere else, because his daughters are brats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I remember when I was on the road in outside sales and the only radio station my car would pick up had these incessant blowhards on it. They spit more lies in a 30 minute time period it is almost incomprehensible how anyone could continue to listen to them. Talking about brainwashing.



Blowhards?? Sometimes, Al Franken a blowhard??? YES......
You don't think both sides spin sometimes??
The truth is in the middle, my point about the brainwashing has to do with dispersing people's money. Adults aren't kids and shouldn't be treated like they are, libs act like adults are stupid and tell em how theythink their money should be spent, it's insane!!
So yes, they are brainwashed...
Rush isn't as smart as I thought he was before i've heard him make # up before and I lost respect for the guy.
Hannity asks more questions then putting people down and libs can't and won't answer em.. So the speaks volumes, the minute I hear hannity make # up is the min I lose respect for him too.

When you ask questions that are valid and they can't be answered by the left it really does answer the question on it's own, and it shows alot of the time libs are full of # and they know it, but they will still defend the indefensible... That's whats sick... brainwashing 101.... just because your a lib doesn't mean you have to defend every lib ideology especially if you can't answer honest questions...



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
This is exactly my point. How is Canada evil?


Because the lib gov't is evil, evil because they distort the truth, they dictate to news outlets namely cbc what to run, the newspapers are all liberal, the gov't is running a one sided show that doesn't have room for truth, fairness, balance, it only has room for what the gov't wants people to know, and those libs are so full full it, but it's to further their agenda, thats what makes it evil.
The gov't doesn't even speak for the people, they speak to the people through media and the media is what gives the people the "real scoop"...
It's sick....



This is just Americans once again believing we're the only righteous country in the world and anyone who disagrees with us is "evil" or a terrorist state.


Now your painting everyone with the same brush, stop it... You don't know that, if American's did have a bit of a clue what was going on they would understand. O'reilly likes french people, he doesn't like the gov't same with canada, they both dictate to people how it's going to be, it's not a true representative goverment in both countries...


If you watch FOX, you are told not to trust the UN, France, Germany, and now even Canada


There are good valid reasons not to support the France, Germany, and Canada and it's because of the governments NOT THE PEOPLE...


- one of the best countries ever!

Please explain this, I'd like to see why you think it's the best country ever...
What makes it so great??? Start naming or i'll believe that you've been brainwashed into thinking that, because Canadians also believe they are the greatest nation on earth, but the biggest problem there is the government.
So start naming things that are so great...



Just because they think going to war and murdering countless thousands is bad, we have to pretend they are somehow this evil country. Canada didn't use atomic bombs on cities, killing thousands.... that was America. And now we call them evil?


Who is 'WE" What are talking about? Are painting everyone with the same brush again????

I highly doubt Americans think it's ok to murder and go to war on false pretenses... Obviously people have been duped, so how does that make them evil, they are just as much victims of their government as canada is.
Canada also wasn't threatended like America was. America was threated more then a few times by the U.S.S.R and Japan. They threatened to annialiate Americans!! Are you blind!! Were you not around in that time?
Your being one sided and not looking at the big picture, America didn't just nuke em for no reason, they didn't have wars for no reasons, you wouldn't even be around today if America didn't take the steps they did to keep the country safe... You would of been burned to a crisp... You have to really look hard to figure out who truly is evil, there is lot's of evil in this world there are lot's of countries who are oppressive and thats evil, when you keep the truth from people and stifle them, that's evil, America has been a target for many countries because those countries are evil and in America there is room to do what you want, those countries lose people all the time to America because of that. You really need to stop making vague assumptions because you don't know what your talking about.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 01:50 PM
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Please oh please TrueLies post some Proof or at least some evidance that the Liberal Gov't is 'Evil' (And by the way don't paint me as a Liberal cuz I'm not Im a Green). They are Greedy and Manipulative sure but compared to the Conservative Party they are frickin saints. And you do know that the Liberals have a Minority Gov't now, so they will not be pulling any stunts anytime soon.

So let me finish off with a question TL. What would be 'your' ideal of a 'Good' gov't? Please try to answer me straight and to the point plz instead of clouding the issue as most diehard Liberals & Conservatives do...



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by sardion2000
Please oh please TrueLies post some Proof or at least some evidance that the Liberal Gov't is 'Evil' (And by the way don't paint me as a Liberal cuz I'm not Im a Green). They are Greedy and Manipulative sure but compared to the Conservative Party they are frickin saints. And you do know that the Liberals have a Minority Gov't now, so they will not be pulling any stunts anytime soon.

So let me finish off with a question TL. What would be 'your' ideal of a 'Good' gov't? Please try to answer me straight and to the point plz instead of clouding the issue as most diehard Liberals & Conservatives do...


BHAHA! A) I'm not a conservative or die hard liberal pansy ass so don't even start w/ that #... B) The government is not only greedy and manipulative but they withold information from the public and LIE, that is what I meant by being evil, a government that's in it for the good of the people is a good government, not a government that pulls the blankets over the public for personal gain. It's bs and you know it. If your a green good for you, I believe the green would be alot better the both cons and libs... If a gov't is pulling wool over people's eyes it just speaks volumes, having to hide to truth from people so that you can keep your jobs is selfish and greedy, and to manipulate the public into beleving what the gov't wants you to believe is also evil... We're not talking about devil's sitting in the parliament with pitch forks, my "evil" term I use is based off principle...

That gov't has no moral ethical ideology, the only they care about it running ship over people to benefit them, keep their jobs, and by accomplishing that they do everything I just mentioned in my above post.
It should be easy to understand i'm not a scholar on this subject or anything but I know whats right and wrong and what the cdn gov is doing is CLEARLY WRONG.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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Look, forget the liberal big three and the conservative fox news. Go to ATSNN for the real scoop!




In a side note, I was watching FoxNews when Bush landed on the carrier and they interviewed the pilot that landed the plane and he only stated that President Bush had taken the stick for a few minutes during the flight and seemed very comfortable behind the controls. It wasn't insinuated that he landed it himself.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 04:25 PM
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Allright TrueLies thanks for clarifying your position. The way you phrased it I totally agree with you. It really threw me off since I have been arguing this subject with some other Conservative on this board, and your arguments were suspiciously similar. I'm sorry if I sterotyped you, but now I realize we share similiar opinions on the Liberal Gov't, but admit it. The current Gov't is pretty much what we needed when we needed it. I really hope this Minority Gov't turns out like past Liberal Minority Gov't because they've been able to accomplish great things. But seriously, who would you rather have in the PMs office Harper or Martin. I'd rather have the devil I know rather then the devil I don't know as former Conservative PM Joe Clark put it.

Although it would've been neat to see Jack Layton or Jim Harris to become PM that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. The NDP and the Greens will forever play second fiddle to the Main Parties, but the best we can hope for is a long Minority with alot of hellraising by Layton and his allies.



posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 05:27 PM
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I think to consider liberal governments to be "evil" is insane. As a Christian, who values life, and liberty for all, I see conservative governments as evil. This Bush administration isn't "what we needed". It has been possibly the worst administration ever! History will be the judge.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
I think to consider liberal governments to be "evil" is insane. As a Christian, who values life, and liberty for all, I see conservative governments as evil. This Bush administration isn't "what we needed". It has been possibly the worst administration ever! History will be the judge.


I think what TrueLies was trying to point out is that the Canadian Liberal Gov't is evil in the sence that they Lie and Desieve. I was confused as well, and I agree conservative gov'ts are more evil then liberal ones but lets not forget what they truely represent. Plutocracy, that is Democracy ruled by Corporate Types and Interests. Thats why I'm a Green who somtimes votes strategically for the NDP(The socialist party) Hope this clears things up a bit.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:12 AM
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Your absolutely right plutocracy is exactly what i'm trying to describe..
I also believe it's imperialism as well... Jabba, you may think "evil" is an insane word to use, but it's a matter of interpretation, I should of actually described my case instead of labelling it with a vague word...
conservative government is not good aswell, I believe they stunt evolution because they are afraid of change namely the whole stem cell research, gay marraige... I don't want to get into the issues but the distort you decide should go for ALL major media outlets.
Namely
CNN
CBC
NBC

and I have yet to see FOX distort... I do know that the news reporters such as O'reilly and Colms, and Hannity have their personal opinions and people have to watch for that because they could easily interpret that as distorting the truth... There's many people on here who disagree with eachother and they are opinions, their personal truths.

But when the CBC goes around saying Canadians trust them the most, thats BS!!
A government that tells people what their allowed to watch is dictatorship.
May not be tyrant or a brutal dictator but a dictator nonetheless.
Jean Chretien was a piece of #, Martin put on a different act before he got in power now he's a dick too. I'm glad Manley isn't in, he was totally on a power trip, remember the 650 million dollar scandel?? Yep, he used that money to upgrade HIS OFFICE... Who paid for it?? WE DID...
He was really power hungry. I'm not sure about Harper he was ok in the beginning but it seems both sides turn really ugly once they become official leaders of their party... It's really disturbing especially when they are supposed to be representing the people... And they don't, they don't speak for them, they don't care what we think, they don't care what Americans think when they are supposed to be our FRIENDS, I personally believe the liberal government is trying to sabotage our relationship with the US, that way Canadians don't move there to the FREE MARKET SYSTEM, that way they stay and work for FAR LESS MONEY and get ass raped from taxes...
I really do believe that, call me a schitzophrenic, but the devil's in the details.

Look at the stats! 40% of Cdn's believe the U.S is evil.......wtf is that? they don't even know whats going on!! They don't know the truth the gov't is hiding it from them it's like living in a cave your whole life and never realising their's more to life then a deep dark space... That is bad, the gov't is really pushing it...

Did I ever tell you guys that the bill of rights in Canada has a notwithstanding clause that allows the gov't to dictate to people whether those rights apply to them or not? It's really sick, 1984 is when those rights came into play and they were created by a liberal, trudeau to be exact why would he have to put the notwithstanding clause in there?? Well he was a liberal and I believe to this day he used that word so that they would still be able to have control over people, you give total freedom to people they'll run with it..
I don't think they wanted that, I believe the American constitution intimidated the cdn gov't they don't want their people having true god given rights...
Isn't that sick? Go read the Magna Carta, laws is canada are a cornerstone from that and funny because you ask a politician that, they'll deny it and hum and ha, but ultimately they will deny...

Canadian Liberals DENY TRUTH. 20+ years and their still in business...So who's distorting the truth???



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:17 AM
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I come to the reality people that all governments in the world, have something to hide, had hidden agendas, had personal agendas and they all lie, to the people and to the world.

Nice information turelies.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 09:34 AM
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Thanks TrueLies for clearing that up, but I still see America is far more evil of a country than Canada. I love America, and Americans. But look at the horrible things we've done. That we're doing right now. Canada doesn't have a history of training terrorists to kill your enemies, assasination, war, destruction of personal liberty, and on and on. America is a crumbling empire, with the leaders tightening their grip. Conservatives overwhelmingly support the government's evil actions, and liberals run around crazy trying to disagree with anyone they can.

The second amendment is in place for us to defend ourselves against a tyranical government. Our founding fathers called Britain tyranical because of a 4% sales tax (no income tax), and because their voice went unheard in Britain. Now the government doesn't care what you think, the taxes are 30% (income tax), varying sales tax, and you're considered a terrorist if you oppose the government.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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If you think the taxes in America are bad look at Canada.. They are far worse!
Canada is a run off of Britan, Candian troops were british that were fighting against American rebels back a few hundred years ago.

Canadian government doesn't go around to other countries intimidating them and fighting with them because of this, also they are dick suckers and kiss ass except for America. Reason being, which I believe is because they don't want to be like them, and there is nothing wrong with being like them...

The evil empire of America was created from a two party system, washington warned us about it and the year he retired is the year they were created, it's been a downhill slide ever since. America at least has been fair to the people, people are supposed to be in charge of the government there are way more things people can do here to fight back, you don't have that in Canada.

Canada oppresses the people the motto for Canada, is peace, order, and GOOD GOVERNMENT....
The government rules the people, but apparantly is supposed to do it in a equal and fair way, it's not doing that... So pretty much it's a dictatorship, look at whats going on there right now! Here's an idea of what I mean by being brainwashed! www.canadianclub.ca...

Canada is so great because..... blah blah blah,,, sure it's great when your not talking about government and true freedoms...
Government and true freedoms are very important to a country it enables true balance-more understanding of other countries- freedom from government intervention, being able to stand up to the gov't without fearing it, ect... Canadian gov't doesn't do any of this, instead it puts all the ideas that are on that link in our heads...

America has been feared by dictatorships and commies throughout time which is why America has needed to defend itself, it was built from people who were sick of british dictatorship, and it's still fighting against countries like that that want to destroy us. There is a reason you know for all the wars that we've been through.

I guess you also need to understand America has stepped in to help other countries in the past from being taken over, so please stop being one sided.
The government is a problem I will agree Canada's gov't is a real problem too, both govs are WAY TOO INTRUSIVE in our lives.. .And it needs to stop.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
In all the years I has been in the US I still can not understand the liberal and conservative concept.
[edit on 21-7-2004 by marg6043]

It's easy, marg...let me help you:
Conservative=good
Liberal=bad

That's all you need to know.


Cute picture of the Bush girl sticking her tongue out. She shoulda just mooned the press.


And to those complaining that FNC is biased....not true! They have Alan Colmes, don't they?

It really is hard to find a liberal that is smart enough to hold their own on TV without folding up like a cheap suit. They can't even make it in radio...look at Air America Radio as an example.

FNC may have a conservative bias but, given their success, apparently that is what the American public wants. It will translate into many many votes this November. So there you go.




posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by TrueLies
I guess you also need to understand America has stepped in to help other countries in the past from being taken over, so please stop being one sided.


Oh I agree. America has done some terrific things in the past. But that doesn't give us an excuse, or even a reason to say that America is not an evil country, or that the people are free. True freedoms are exactly what I'm talking about. In America, there is no freedom. 1 in 75 people are in jail in America, 1 in 5 will go to jail in their lifetime. Are these all murderers? Are they violent criminals who deserve America's judgement? Only 2% of the prison population is in for violent crimes. That's 98% of the people that are in for non-violent crime. Freedom? How many laws do you break a day? Do you even know? If the government had its way, you, your friends, and your family would all be in jail. Thats the great America.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Conservative=good
Liberal=bad

That's all you need to know.


Cute picture of the Bush girl sticking her tongue out. She shoulda just mooned the press.


And to those complaining that FNC is biased....not true! They have Alan Colmes, don't they?


You're joking, right?
Conservative - War hungry, anti-freedom, anti-rights, oppressive, without values
Liberals - For personal freedom, a government that helps the hurting (instead of throwing them in jail)

And the FNC is the most bias network of them all. Alan Colmes? You mean one person who claims he's a liberal and then they can be as bias as they want? Every network has their "opposing views", and FOX has one. Colmes, disagrees with more liberals than he agrees with them anyway.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by JabbaOnTheDais
Oh I agree. America has done some terrific things in the past. But that doesn't give us an excuse, or even a reason to say that America is not an evil country, or that the people are free. True freedoms are exactly what I'm talking about. In America, there is no freedom. 1 in 75 people are in jail in America, 1 in 5 will go to jail in their lifetime. Are these all murderers? Are they violent criminals who deserve America's judgement? Only 2% of the prison population is in for violent crimes. That's 98% of the people that are in for non-violent crime. Freedom? How many laws do you break a day? Do you even know? If the government had its way, you, your friends, and your family would all be in jail. Thats the great America.

It sounds like you're bitter because you got busted for somthing you didn't think was wrong, or the cops acted badly, or whatever. And you had to do a little time in a cell.
It doesn't matter; your allegation that America is evil is ridiculous because America is made up of it's citizens, and you're saying we're all evil. I don't think you know what "true freedoms" really are or what it takes to get them or to keep them.

And how did you get there from the original topic, anyway?




posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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I think what he's trying to say is the American gov't is evil, not the people, and people don't have freedoms because the gov't is taking them away....

Thats your interpretation of him saying that all American's are evil, he's not saying that at all. We were having a discussion on the gov't and their wrong doing...

And they are... doing wrong...




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