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Christians are told to "judge" a person by their "fruit"
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Christians are told to "judge" a person by their "fruit"
would you mind showing me this quote?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Christians are told to "judge" a person by their "fruit"
would you mind showing me this quote?
Sure, Jesus speaking:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 7:15-20
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon
Okay, how are we to know is a person's "fruit" is good or evil unless we judge that fruit??? Kinda goes without saying.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon
Okay, how are we to know is a person's "fruit" is good or evil unless we judge that fruit??? Kinda goes without saying.
No it doesn't....you don't judge their fruits(actions) you understand their actions, and accept them for who they are... By judging them you're saying you are more right then they are....thus putting yourself above them.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon
Okay, how are we to know is a person's "fruit" is good or evil unless we judge that fruit??? Kinda goes without saying.
No it doesn't....you don't judge their fruits(actions) you understand their actions, and accept them for who they are... By judging them you're saying you are more right then they are....thus putting yourself above them.
That would be true if we used arbitrary means to judge them. But we are to use the Word of God to judge. If a person's actions are contrary to the written Word and we agree with that it's actually the written Word that is doing the "judging".
Originally posted by Akragon
You are not a judge, nor are you supposed to judge any man if you claim to follow your christ.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Akragon
You are not a judge, nor are you supposed to judge any man if you claim to follow your christ.
Actually, no, that's not the case, and a common misunderstanding.
We are not to judge and condemn, but we are clearly led to judge -- how is one to determine what is right or wrong if they are not allowed to judge? There are also admonitions against judging non-believers, but within the church, Paul's letters to the Corinthians and Galatians, among others, clearly indicate that it is our responsibility to maintain the integrity of teaching.
Originally posted by Akragon
*sigh* alright...again show me where "jesus" tells you to judge another man in your bible.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by Akragon
*sigh* alright...again show me where "jesus" tells you to judge another man in your bible.
You've been going on about one example right here -- Matthew 7:15-20. How are you supposed to differentiate between false prophets and true if you can't judge them? How are you even supposed to live your life if you can't make judgements? That's just ludicrous.
The key is not condemning -- that is for God, and God alone. But if you see a fellow believer acting in a bad manner, you should correct them and try and get them back on the right track, which would be impossible if you weren't able to ascertain that they were wrong in the first place.
Originally posted by Akragon
Yes, you can correct someone if you see something is "wrong" in your opinion...correcting isn't judging.
If he accepts your correction its all good, but if he doesn't do you continue to push your belief on him? By doing so you're judging him instead of accepting him for his faults.
If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
-- Matthew 18:15-17 (NIV)
Originally posted by Akragon
Again, you can't show me the passage im asking for....why? Because it doesn't exist.
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
-- John 7:24 (ESV)
If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
-- John 7:24 (ESV)
21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.