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Cover Up Of Fukushima Chain Reaction Underway

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posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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I just heard radiation was detected 60 miles out in the ocean. Even if it just stays within a few hundred miles, won't this get in the fish supply?




posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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400 mili instead of micro units are now being said to contaminate the area in the compound of the 3rd reactor. Declines at the inverse square of distance from contamination.
Meltdown cannot be ruled out says their Prime minister.
Now they said 3 to 4 years to totally cool the spent nuclear fuel if everything was working properly.
The outer containment is gone, this spent fuel is exposed and not being cooled.

This was from the NHK radio. www.livestation.com...

So the actual reactor rods can be fine and being cooled yet the spent fuel from the site could be the culprit because they admitted the cooling for that is gone.

They are saying to stay indoors, dont use ventillation or heating.
Cesium and Iodine detected in Tokyo.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by predator0187
reply to post by Laurauk
 


No trust years and years of nuclear physics, sh!t you can be as panicked as you want but do not make other people needlessly panic as well.

Japan is asking for help which is a good thing, the more countries working on it the better, that should make people feel better alone.

Pred...


You so FAIL....



“We are on the brink. We are now facing the worst-case scenario,” said Hiroaki Koide, a senior reactor engineering specialist at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University. “We can assume that the containment vessel at Reactor No. 2 is already breached. If there is heavy melting inside the reactor, large amounts of radiation will most definitely be released.”


and....


But industry executives in close contact with officials in Japan expressed extreme concern that the authorities were close to losing control over the fuel melting that has been ongoing in three reactors at Daiichi, especially at the crippled No. 2 reactor where the containment has been damaged.


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Tokyo Electric Power said Tuesday that after the explosion at the No. 2 reactor, pressure had dropped in the “suppression pool” — a section at the bottom of the reactor that converts steam to water and is part of the critical function of keeping the nuclear fuel protected. After that occurred, radiation levels outside No. 2 were reported to have risen sharply.


and....


Japan’s nuclear crisis verged toward catastrophe on Tuesday after an explosion damaged the vessel containing the nuclear core at one reactor and a fire at another spewed large amounts of radioactive material into the air, according to the statements of Japanese government and industry officials. In a brief address to the nation at 11 a.m. Tokyo time, Prime Minister Naoto Kan pleaded for calm, but warned that radiation had already spread from the crippled reactors and there was “a very high risk” of further leakage. Fortunately, the prevailing winds were sweeping most of the plume of radioactivity out into the Pacific Ocean, rather than over populated areas.



all courtesy of

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by Daughter2
I just heard radiation was detected 60 miles out in the ocean. Even if it just stays within a few hundred miles, won't this get in the fish supply?



Right now the winter weather front coming in will bring snow and colder temps but the wind is blowing towards the ocean from China so its going out to sea at the moment. They say weather will not break till the weekend


So it will be cold for the survivors but the radiation is blowing east


errrrr towards us




Winds at Japan Power Plants Should Send Radiation out to Sea
www.accuweather.com...


edit on 15-3-2011 by zorgon because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:07 AM
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Even if it just stays within a few hundred miles, won't this get in the fish supply?

yes, and it gets into everything else
and it dosn't go away.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by dadfortruth1
yes, and it gets into everything else
and it dosn't go away.


Well the main stuff escaping now is cesium 137. caesium-137 has a half-life of about 30 years If any of that plutonium gets out at #3 ,plutonium has a half-life of about 80 million years



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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Although i wouldnt normaly believe most things which are reported by inforwars (due to their exireme fear mongering and pandering to paranoia to make money ) ... this i completly agree with.

i have been thinking that this whole situation has been covered over and hushed up scince saturday when the first explosion happened...

the one main thing that pricked my ears was the facts that "the reactor cores are completly sealed buildings" yet, the explosions were caused by "hydrogen" which comed from "the reactions in the reactor core which are trying to cool everything down" ... im no nuke physicist and could well be reading things into something i know nothing about ... but how do you get an explosive release of gas outside a sealed unit, when the gas is created inside the sealed unit ?!?!?!?!

the new new fly zone confirms this situation to me, and the lack of photos or video of the 3rd explosion!

i fear all is very NOT well their!



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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Theres no coverup whereweheaded! It all open and clear for those who tune into Japanese TV. There is no reason coverup anything as lives are at stake. All you are is supposing.
They are measuring and reporting levels all over japan. Turn on your TV and learn.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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Obviously any nuclear accident is bad and radiation released outside of the plant is bad. The problem I have with all this is that the media likes to throw #'s around and they don't really understand them, and the general public doesn't understand them. Most people have no idea how nuclear reactors or radiation work - all they know is radiation = bad because that's what they saw on TV. Many people think that nuclear reactors can explode, as in a nuclear explosion - this is not the case. Hydrogen yes, nuclear no...

I've worked on/around nuclear reactors, and even been inside of a (shutdown) reactor compartment. Even when shutdown, there is still radiation and usually hot spots where you are not supposed to linger very long. The maximum dose of radiation we were allowed to be exposed to each year was 5 rem = 50,000 Microsieverts, and at that dose you were expected to have no ill effects from the radiation. Our goal though, was to stay under 100 millirem = 1000 Microsieverts. No point in soaking up more radiation than necessary... Spend the day on a sunny beach and you will get more radiation than I would in a year of working around an operational nuclear reactor. Most people don't realize how much radiation there is all around us.

Since there has been reactor damage it is not surprising that radiation levels are elevated in the area surrounding the plant. Obviously people shouldn't be hanging out next to a reactor that is melting down.

english.kyodonews.jp...


Following the incident, the radiation level near the main gate of the Fukushima No. 1 plant exceeded the legal limit to reach 965.5 micro sievert per hour at 7:00 a.m. and jumped to 8,217 micro sievert at 8:31 a.m., the agency said. The latter amount is more than eight times the 1,000 micro sievert level to which people can safely be exposed in one year.


From the above, these levels are in the area surrounding the plant - yes that is a pretty hot area but not instantly fatal - and the limit they are reporting is the "goal" of US regulatory exposure, and 50x less than the max US allowed limit. You could go for an hour long stroll through that area and be perfectly fine (excluding radioactive particles that you might breathe in - but that's a different mechanism to deal with, I'm referring solely to emitted exposure, not inhaled). Since there is a meltdown going on and everyone knows it - people are not going to be hanging out around there for very long. Just long enough to take measurements and get out - or they might even be using a robot to test. Everyone will be wearing a dosimeter to measure their radiation exposure and if they are approaching their limit, they will be pulled from the area and someone else will be brought in to be a rad sponge for a bit. (Elevated radiation levels right next to a reactor that has suffered a meltdown? Duh)

Now when those levels of radiation are measured 10km from the plant you all can freak out about the #'s. Until then, take what you see in the media with a grain of salt - the media doesn't always get it right, and the more technical the topic, the more often they make mistakes.

Don't expect a 2 minute news blurb (or this post) to be able to consolidate years of training and experience with nuclear physics, reactor design, reactor operation, & radiation into something completely understandable to the layman. The news reporter tries to take the little bits they think they understand and translate that into a news story. "OMG the levels are 8x higher than normal!". What they don't tell you is that the normal level is not even close to being dangerous and 8x that is still nowhere near deadly - unless you decided to camp out next to the plant for a few days. But everyone will freak out because 8x just seems like a lot - the problem comes back to people not understanding radiation. All they know is radiation = bad, therefore 8x radiation = 8x more bad. Simple math right?

Don't take my post to be dismissive of what is happening and to say there is no danger. As I said if high levels are measured away from the immediate vicinity of the plant, then GTF out of Dodge. If there is radioactive particulate floating around in the air, take appropriate precautions by all means. When that is inhaled, it continues to irradiate your body increasing your dose - you don't want any of that hanging out in your body. Exposure from an external source stops when you leave the area, internal exposure sticks with you for a while...

From someone who has worked in the nuclear industry and lives on the west coast USA, I'm not rushing out to buy potassium iodide pills or evacuating from the area. It would have to get much much worse before I would even think about it. Don't take everything they say at face value. And remember, Deny Ignorance.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Well Prime minister is giving situation report and stay inside warnings now
www.livestation.com...



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 


the one main thing that pricked my ears was the facts that "the reactor cores are completly sealed buildings" yet, the explosions were caused by "hydrogen" which comed from "the reactions in the reactor core which are trying to cool everything down" ... im no nuke physicist and could well be reading things into something i know nothing about ... but how do you get an explosive release of gas outside a sealed unit, when the gas is created inside the sealed unit ?!?!?!?!


The reactor is sealed, but with the earthquake, I assume some piping broke, compromising the containment which lead to them having trouble keeping the core cool, which lead to the zirconium cladding on the nuclear material to react which released the hydrogen... I haven't kept up with all the details as I've been pretty busy the last few days, so I don't know for sure that's how it happened, but seems plausible to me.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Expert now on live saying #2 was the worst as there is a containment breach. #1 was just a hydrogen explosion and #3 is exposing the spent fuel. #4 was shut down but still has spent fuel

www.livestation.com...



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Okay he just stated that #5 and #6 are also in danger as cooling has failed there as well and they are watching that



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by CommandoJoe
I haven't kept up with all the details as I've been pretty busy the last few days, so I don't know for sure that's how it happened, but seems plausible to me.


I would suggest then you take some time to catch up... then you will be better informed on current status



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 04:43 AM
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cool, that makes sence ... but also makes me thing that its quite possible that their could well have been a leak scince the first explosion that has just not been mentioned (well, till now that they are mentioning small leaks).

as the gas had to get out somewhere .



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 05:25 AM
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Found this... wish I could say it was uplifting. Turns out Cesium-137 has a drastically longer half-life as observed at Chernobyl.

www.wired.com...

I would postulate that further study may reveal other observed vs theoretical organic half-lives.



Reinhabiting the large exclusion zone around the accident site may have to wait longer than expected. Radioactive cesium isn’t disappearing from the environment as quickly as predicted, according to new research presented here Monday at the meeting of the American Geophysical Union. Cesium 137’s half-life — the time it takes for half of a given amount of material to decay — is 30 years. In addition to that, cesium-137’s total ecological half-life — the time for half the cesium to disappear from the local environment through processes such as migration, weathering, and removal by organisms is also typically 30 years or less, but the amount of cesium in soil near Chernobyl isn’t decreasing nearly that fast. And scientists don’t know why. It stands to reason that at some point the Ukrainian government would like to be able to use that land again, but the scientists have calculated that what they call cesium’s “ecological half-life” — the time for half the cesium to disappear from the local environment — is between 180 and 320 years. “Normally you’d say that every 30 years, it’s half as bad as it was. But it’s not,” said Tim Jannik, nuclear scientist at Savannah River National Laboratory and a collaborator on the work. “It’s going to be longer before they repopulate the area.”


So, what's next...



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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How is it covered up? its being reported... and maybe Japan just wants to "control" the situation.. I know if a reactor blew, and I was in charge, I'd kick people out and do what I could to maintain the situation.. how is that a cover up?



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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WTF are you on about man? Have you been under a rock the last 6 or so hours? Sorry to be so blunt, but you have clearly not seen the facts.

That quote you provided is old news, they have since updated that info. 400 milisieverts have been detected at reactor 3 alone, along with neutron radiation in the same reactor. I shall emphasize Zorgon's post, and remind you that Plutonium and mox fuel is used in reactor number 3. Your downplaying of this incident is very worrying to say the least.

Also you do realise the "spent fuel cointainment structure" is currently boiling due to running out of coolant. Could you tell the people here seeing as you are such an expert, how many tons of spent nuclear fuel rods are housed in such a structur please. This together with the ongoing dire situation at 4 of the 6 reactors, man, I just don't think you "get" this situation at all.

Deny ignorance you say?
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posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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I'm not sure who the last reply was meant for but I would like to add to it. Can any of us have fully taken in the scope of this thing. Depending on which way this all goes (#1-6 meltdowns or a fission criticality in spent-fuel) this could very well be the defining moment to life on earth. I mean think about it, with 7 pools, 6 reactor, and 300 vertical storage casks, and fuel rods we are talking about the possible ejection of roughly six billion lethal human doses of plutonium alone.Though this is highly improbable, requiring 99.9% fuel dispersal from site. But when you add it all up the total sum of material is world changing.

So, yes I can see the merits of both arguments but I stand firmly on the side of full disclosure with the people of the earth. For those of you in the media or with ties to it, why lie for your masters now? They won't be there tomorrow. America won't survive without Japan to buy her debts, China can't survive without someone to buy all the plastic, and on, and on. They have to lie or we would already be in the streets. So, why is it so hard to accept that the media works lock step with it's government to protect the continuity of its own power. And if that means lying to all the serfs from the moment they are born, so be it. They don't care. Money has clouded our collective judgment since civilization began. It's just kind of poetic to me that we could wipe ourselves out in the pursuit of it. We're all ignorant.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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Indeed.

A further worrying devolopment. This has just been reported by the BBC and Kyodo:




# 1107: Prime Minister Naoto Kan has strongly criticised the Tokyo Electric Power Company for its handling of the Fukushima No 1 nuclear plant, according to Japan's Kyodo news. "The TV reported an explosion. But nothing was said to the premier's office for about an hour," a Kyodo News reporter overheard Mr Kan saying during a meeting with company executives. "What the hell is going on?"

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Now tell me all is ok, please?



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