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Japan Nuclear Plant: No Chernobyl Possibility

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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(Reuters) - Japan has told the U.N. nuclear watchdog radioactivity was being released "directly" into the atmosphere from the site of an earthquake-stricken reactor and that it had put out a fire at a spent fuel storage pond there.

Japan radiation leaking "directly" into air: IAEA

This whole idea of it being "contained",is nonsense.




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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TribeofManyColours &
Sonnny1, explained it better to you than I ever could.
I hope that finally opens your eyes


Ps thanks Tribeofmany & sonnny.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Alina
 


I am sorry,but you dont know the full disaster that was Chernobyl,and the effects that are still seen today by it.
I suggest you do you homework on that disaster,and stop equating this to Chernobyl. It is a fluid situation in Japan,and it has been going from bad to worse. Radiation Levels are rising. Here's a good thread to start your journey.

Zorgon's Thread
Chernobyl Disaster Documentary


Article from 2009,25 years after the event
Babies that were exposed in the womb to radioactive iodine after the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident have had an increased risk of developing thyroid cancer in the ensuing 20 years, according to a new report
Chernobyl fallout affected unborn babies

The new data, based on Belarus national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl. The report also concludes that on the basis of demographic data, during the last 15 years, 60,000 people have additionally died in Russia because of the Chernobyl accident, and estimates of the total death toll for the Ukraine and Belarus could reach another 140,000.

Chernobyl death toll grossly underestimated

They haven't contained the Japanese Nuclear disaster,and its obviously getting worse.


That adds to my point, my entire argument throughout this thread is the current situation can not get as bad as Chernobyl, it's not really possible unless they go through great effort to make it worse. They're too drastically different and the difference in safety measures is massive.

There is also nothing actually in those plants that is able to radiate the air the same way Chernobyl did, the material and means to spread it is simply not there.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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We cant explain to you anymore, this is going to be worse then Chernobyl.
But there is no use wasting anymore breath on you, as you have it written under your name.
Your the Ignorant one.
edit on 16-3-2011 by meathed because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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I don't see your logic, 6 nuclear reactors and mox fuel, cernobyl only had one reactor.
All it is needed is for good contaiment breach and the rods will be burning exposed to the air outside the container. Burning of the rods will cause a molten pool of lava like, from there on it will spread into the air, form radioactive plum clouds.

As I was saying it's worst that cernobyl because it's over the ocean, cernobyl was not over the ocean,air currents are stronger over the ocean and have the power to carry radiation much faster in a shorter period of time.



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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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There is very different opinions being expressed by european governments on this incident

The Germans have shut down many of their own nuclear plants to carry out vigourous safety checks after what they have seen happening in Japan.

The French are describing this as a catastrophe and at this moment believe it is a level 6 nuclear diaster , only one point behind chernobyl. They are sending planes over to evacuate their citizens.

The UK think Japan is doing everything it can and behaving in an impeccable manner. They generally believe there is no reason to be too worried. This is constantly being reinforced across the english media by experts from , where else, but the nuclear industry. The people who's job it is to convince you nuclear power is perfectly safe.

Then you see a news item like this :

www3.nhk.or.jp...

Now after reading that article how cofident would you be in what the Japaneses are saying?

Its also in the news that the Japanese premier was heard off mic giving out that his government were not being told enough by the company operating the plant. So the government is telling the people everything will be Ok but they don't even have cofidence in the information they are being given.

Everyone who can is evacuating Japan.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
No Chernobyl possible huh ???
yea right

and I got some ocean front property
in Kansas I wanna sell ya too.

there are already confirmations by the US Navy
that there is a leak. And other Japanese news
agencies reporting fuel rods exposed and pumping
in sea water to keep it cool.

How much more garbage disinfo are we suppose
to believe ???


Just keep eating

-scratch acid



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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The difference is how much the plants have already been cooled significantly more, the actual level of the radiation being put out, and the containment.

Yes if the containment broke it would deal a lot of damage and leak a lot of radiation, but Chernobyl had no containment at all and literally had pieces of the reactor blown all over the place. it had graphite burning off high level radiation into the air with 1000 times the radiation levels that are being leaked now, most of the plants do not actually have materials as radioactive as Chernobyl and the ones that do are still going to cause LESS damage than Chernobyl thanks to the cooling, and containment.

I'm by no means saying that this is not a potential problem, a big one, and we should be worried, but the plant physically does not have the means to let off the same radiation, or wide spread (with the same lethal levels) as Chernobyl.

It's not that this isn't a problem or that this is perfectly safe it is that it is not comparable to Chernobyl, all you need to do is actually look at the difference in their design and materials.


Originally posted by meathed

We cant explain to you anymore, this is going to be worse then Chernobyl.
But there is no use wasting anymore breath on you, as you have it written under your name.
Your the Ignorant one.
edit on 16-3-2011 by meathed because: (no reason given)


Your comprehension of humour is about the same as your comprehension of safety features, or maybe you're just dazed and confused?

Also, you have not explained, or even attempted to actually explain anything, you keep saying it is worse and give no reasoning as to how that's even possible. Others at least point out potential danger with tangible things, creating actual productive posts.


edit on 16-3-2011 by Alina because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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In a very rare event the Emperor adressed the nation on TV about the disaster and now we have this :

FLASH: EU Energy Commissioner warns of further catastrophe at Japan's nuclear site in the coming hours

twitter.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by 5StarOracle
Well that is 100% acurate only because they are in Japan... You see how easy it is to lie with the truth?


The design of the reactor invalidates the possibility of a Chernobyl event. In chernobyl, the fuel rods and control rods were not housed inside of any unit but instead sat in a massive, open chamber. The explosion sent those fuel rods and irradiated control rods through the roof of the building and was basically a massive cauldron venting radiation into the skies.

Even if the fuel melts through the containment vessel, the buildings in which they are house are much more fit for safe purpose than the open plan at Chernobyl.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Alina
reply to post by pepsi78
 


The difference is how much the plants have already been cooled significantly more, the actual level of the radiation being put out, and the containment.

Yes if the containment broke it would deal a lot of damage and leak a lot of radiation, but Chernobyl had no containment at all and literally had pieces of the reactor blown all over the place. it had graphite burning off high level radiation into the air with 1000 times the radiation levels that are being leaked now, most of the plants do not actually have materials as radioactive as Chernobyl and the ones that do are still going to cause LESS damage than Chernobyl thanks to the cooling, and containment.

I'm by no means saying that this is not a potential problem, a big one, and we should be worried, but the plant physically does not have the means to let off the same radiation, or wide spread (with the same lethal levels) as Chernobyl.

It's not that this isn't a problem or that this is perfectly safe it is that it is not comparable to Chernobyl, all you need to do is actually look at the difference in their design and materials.


Originally posted by meathed

We cant explain to you anymore, this is going to be worse then Chernobyl.
But there is no use wasting anymore breath on you, as you have it written under your name.
Your the Ignorant one.
edit on 16-3-2011 by meathed because: (no reason given)


Your comprehension of humour is about the same as your comprehension of safety features, or maybe you're just dazed and confused?

Also, you have not explained, or even attempted to actually explain anything, you keep saying it is worse and give no reasoning as to how that's even possible. Others at least point out potential danger with tangible things, creating actual productive posts.


edit on 16-3-2011 by Alina because: (no reason given)


Ironically this post makes my own unnecessary. You are quite right in that it is not physically possible for the radiation at Fukishima to be as widespread as it was at Chernobyl, as Chernobyl had pretty much no protection or housing of the reactor unit whatsoever.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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The fact is that nobody can really say how bad it will be. This has never happened before where potentially six reactors in one location could meltdown. We are in uncharted territory. None of these so called experts know what will happen next.

If fuel rods go into full meltdown it will burn right though any containment vessel. When it hits ground water it goes BOOM and highly radioactive material would be released for miles around. Now that would be horrible even talking about one reactor, times that by six and we are talking about a total catastrophe.

This certainly could end up being much worse than Chernobyl. Anyone that says otherwise is just trying to calm people down. They don't know !!!



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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It's simple math to see that more nuclear fuel/reactors in a core breach/meltdown = more contamination potential than one reactor at Chernobyl. Then there's the added danger of MOX fuel rods.

ATS- Spent fuel Rod fire could be worse than Chernobyl


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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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No Chernobyl huh?

www.bbc.co.uk...

I'm looking at 3 exploded reactors. The photo montage at the end of the footage is very interesting. Note that reactor #4 building is destroyed from the ground up, and this is the building with the cooling pool. I suspect that cooling pool is nothing but debris.

What happened to the rods there? Who knows.

This must be a certainty by now: this is far worse than Chernobyl.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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they are right. it is nothing like chernobyl. for one its in Japan. and 2, the reactors in japan equal 6 reactor problems. and 3, chernobyl was not near the operating capacity of any of these 6 reactors. even the 3 that where shut down were at more capacity than the chernobyl plant. and 4, the cooling ponds hold more fuel than chernobyl had at all. so yea this is definitely no chernobyl. it has the possibility to be 100x's worse. id say they are at chernobyl levels right now. where does it go from there. dont ask thew experts because they dont know. this is unprecendented and there is nothing to compare it too. this is a wait and see and be prepared for the worst while praying for the best.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Here's a couple recent photos of the damage reactors:



Number 3 reactor (smoking) is said to be breached and uses MOX fuel (plutonium composite).




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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Yes, they keep bringing up that they have containers, they don't understand that once the meltdown is total there is no containers left, it will simply melt the container.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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all 6 of the problem reactors have already been comprimised. they tried to get them under control the first day without harming them. but was to no avail. that is why the are dumping sea water on them, because they are ruined and they are just trying to save lives and the country at this point. but i believe mother nature hasnt decided what she is gonna do with them yet. wait and see.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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I keep hearing this mantra on Japanese TV.
'No immediate health problem'.
But no one seems to be asking the question 'what about the problems a few years down the line?'.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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that link says Japans radiation sensors are down? wtf??? guess it makes sense after all they have been thru.

on a side note* i believe Russia is being more honest about what is happening than anybody. and why wouldnt they be? they have seen this firsthand and know what is coming for Japan. that is why they keep telling people to get out of there, and have beem monitoring. they also seem to be the only ones who know this will reach the U.S. and most likely radiation will circle the globe, at least once. from the reactors.



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