Japan Nuclear Plant: No Chernobyl Possibility

The reactor is in meltdown and it was a *hydrogen* explosion,
A MUSHROOM BLACK CLOUD OF SMOKE AND PIECES
going thousands of feet in the air and it was a *small hydrogen explosion*?

I don't believe that for a second...

They can't have panic, everyone needs to stay calm,
only radioactive particles are being spewed around
and people are dying from radiation poisoning, just stay
calm, watch your child puke to death with red eyes
while your hair is falling out.. Just stay calm!!!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
The question then becomes what to do next?

Will the Japanese finally admit straight out it's a freaking disaster and start dumping graphite and whatever else is needed on the core and buildings? The Russians [After a few days of farting around] started dumping ton after ton and entombed the reactor.

Maybe it's time for the Japanese to admit defeat and get on with it already?

One of the big problems facing the Japanese is they are actually dependent on those reactors for their electricity.

They are already having to ration power through planned staged rolling black outs and that's with 1/10th of the Grid that's destroyed not even requesting power.

Economically the impact to industry could be huge if these reactors can't be got up and running as it could be months or years until replacement plants nuclear, coal, oil or otherwise can be brought online.

If they lose this plant completely and any one or more of the others, Japan is probably looking at rolling brown outs for months if not years as power is rationed. Considering the extent of the destruction to the infrastructure and homes the power situation could also impact and significantly slow recovery.

Right now they are gambling that they can save these plants and get them back up and running somehow sometimes soon, failure to do so, represents another disaster in it's own right, when it comes to supplying the nation's power grid.

Let's just hope for everyone's sake they have a way to pull this off, and the gamble doesn't end with the complete meltdown of the reactors and yet another catostrophe for the people of Japan.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Well whatever the case may be I have a feeling the situation will get much worse before they end up doing the next right thing.

reply to post by SLAYER69


It surely seems it's headed from bad to worse. I hope for everyone's sake they get it under control quickly.

well it seems the worst is happening or has happened www.commondreams.org... from link
Nuclear Rods Melting Inside Three Fukushima Reactors, Japan Admits
if this is true they better start doing what needs to be done to keep it contained.

(CNN) -- A third reactor at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant encountered problems with its cooling mechanism Monday, triggering fresh fears of a meltdown that could leak dangerous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere.

Blasts occurred at two other reactors at the plant over the weekend after Friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami led to similar cooling issues.



Is Japan facing Chernobyl threat?





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All generators have ceased to function, fully exposed rods, spent stockpiles on fire, staff evacuation, radiation lvls admitted in lethal range on site, all that will bring on full scale meltdown. Avoiding it no longer possible...

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Says you. Time will prove who is wrong and right.

Looks like you spoke to soon.

You are wrong And I am right.

Poor Japan.

They mentioned on Rence radio that there was another blast at @ 10 pm est

When they put sea water on it to cool that is the end
none of that gear will be useable after that

they are ordered to stay indoors.
radiation will get you behind most walls
but contamination will not (up to a point)
this is why the stay in order...

the sea water at that temp will oxidise the containment tubes and the radioactive pellets will leak out.
they will fall
the bed rock is fractured it is interlaced with wiring and access tunnels
sea water guarentees the tubes will degrade and spill their contents

if enough of the pellets gather in one place the generated heat (6000) deg will drill down till water is reached and then the pile will blow into the jetstreem....
pop goes the weasle

this sh!9 is in the ground water
it has fallen on the fish and the farms
its in the water damage and mud

The Eisenhour got a one month dose in one hour while running....

I hear Obama is making a gun move....while we are all lookin east

I don't think most people understand that meltdown != Chernobyl.

Even a complete meltdown of the plant would not cause the same damage.

The 20km potential danger zone is still nothing compared to the Tsunami.

soon there will be available prime blocks of undeveloped land in the region.

Baragin really.

cupla yen.... plus a carbon tax,,,,,,

Originally posted by Alina
I don't think most people understand that meltdown != Chernobyl.

Even a complete meltdown of the plant would not cause the same damage.

The 20km potential danger zone is still nothing compared to the Tsunami.

Yes it does its a thousand times worse and more, have you been reading much?
A tsunami doesnt give you cancer, a tsunami doesnt make men and women infertile, a tsunami doesnt cause birth defects, miscarriages for generations in the future. A tsunami doesnt leave radioavice fallout all over the land and over the sea. A tsunami doesnt put several types of radiation like strontium 90 into the atmospere, that will rain down on us for hundreds of years causing cancers like leukemia in children.

You can rebuild on the same land after a tsunami
You can plant crops and fish the ocean after a tsunami
YOU CANT after a nuclear disaster.
Get it

Originally posted by meathed
Yes it does its a thousand times and, have you been reading much?
A tsunami doesnt give you cancer, a tsunami doesnt make men and women infertile, a tsunami doesnt cause birth defects, miscarriages for generations in the future. A tsunami doesnt leave radioavice fallout all over the land and over the sea. A tsunami doesnt put several types of radiation like strontium 90 into the atmospere, that will rain down on us for hundreds of years causing cancers like leukemia in children.

You can rebuild on the same land after a tsunami
You can plant crops and fish the ocean after a tsunami
YOU CANT after a nuclear disaster.
Get it

The tsunami killed more people than the power plant likely ever will - So does car accidents, that aside-

Chernobyl - No protective layers.

Fukushima - Protective layers

In addition to this solid wall keeping everything in, Fukushima does not use graphite like SirMike stated already.

This event exposed the graphite moderator components of the reactor to air, causing them to ignite. The resulting fire sent a plume of radioactive fallout into the atmosphere and over an extensive geographical area, including Pripyat. The plume drifted over large parts of the western Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, and Northern Europe. Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia were evacuated, and over 336,000 people were resettled. According to official post-Soviet data,[1][2] about 60% of the fallout landed in Belarus.

Wikipedia

Fukushima can let off radiation through steam, which is one thousandth the levels of Chernobyl over a shorter distance. Also not lethal.

The biggest threat of radiation is localized, and while terrible, NOT as bad as Chernobyl, and not going to kill as much as a tsunami, I would rather have people alive than an area that needs decontamination.

Further more not a single person in this thread has actually given reasons HOW Fukushima even has the ability to cause the same damage as Chernobyl, as if the word "meltdown" magically means Chernobyl level damage or radiation exposure.

I believe everyone is being lied to by TEPCO, including the Jap Gov. After watching the following youtube series, I'm quite sure that we are being lied to just like during the Chernobyl incident.

www.youtube.com...

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As others have stated, I agree that the authorities over there are either not telling us the full story, or not being told the full story themselves.

The current situation is all about containment, bot of radiation & people's fears.

I still think it's gonna get messy, but pray that I'm proved wrong

reply to post by Alina


Car accidents?

Im sorry but this is not chernobyl, Theres more reactors, more stored spent rods. More BANG for your buck.
You can show me all the paper work on this that you like, but the facts remain facts, and this is unprecidented in human history. This event will rewrite the books your quoting from in a day or two. so come back with your quotes then.

Originally posted by meathed
reply to post by Alina

 

Car accidents?

Im sorry but this is not chernobyl, Theres more reactors, more stored spent rods. More BANG for your buck.
You can show me all the paper work on this that you like, but the facts remain facts, and this is unprecidented in human history. This event will rewrite the books your quoting from in a day or to. so come back with your quotes then.

Speaking of facts, can you actually show me a single one?

Can you actually explain to me how it is even actually possible to cause as much damage as Chernobyl?

Can you give technical information to differentiate the two?

Can you explain the difference between Chernobyl and this event at all for that matter?

Do you understand that "meltdown" is not a generic damage measurement?

Originally posted by Alina

Originally posted by meathed
reply to post by Alina

 

Car accidents?

Im sorry but this is not chernobyl, Theres more reactors, more stored spent rods. More BANG for your buck.
You can show me all the paper work on this that you like, but the facts remain facts, and this is unprecidented in human history. This event will rewrite the books your quoting from in a day or to. so come back with your quotes then.

Speaking of facts, can you actually show me a single one?

Can you actually explain to me how it is even actually possible to cause as much damage as Chernobyl?

Can you give technical information to differentiate the two?

Can you explain the difference between Chernobyl and this event at all for that matter?

Do you understand that "meltdown" is not a generic damage measurement?

The only evidence he needs to provide is this fact

Reactor 3 had on top of the containment vessel a storage room for spent rods. These rods were plutonium based. These plutonium based rods come from old nuclear war heads, and was done to bring back the nuclear weapons on earth. Only this reactor alone is more damaging as Chernobyl. Because they were blown sky high if you ask me

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Or if its reactor 4 then the were exposed since the roof was also blown off

reply to post by Alina


I am sorry,but you dont know the full disaster that was Chernobyl,and the effects that are still seen today by it.
I suggest you do you homework on that disaster,and stop equating this to Chernobyl. It is a fluid situation in Japan,and it has been going from bad to worse. Radiation Levels are rising. Here's a good thread to start your journey.

Zorgon's Thread
Chernobyl Disaster Documentary


Article from 2009,25 years after the event
Babies that were exposed in the womb to radioactive iodine after the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident have had an increased risk of developing thyroid cancer in the ensuing 20 years, according to a new report
Chernobyl fallout affected unborn babies

The new data, based on Belarus national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl. The report also concludes that on the basis of demographic data, during the last 15 years, 60,000 people have additionally died in Russia because of the Chernobyl accident, and estimates of the total death toll for the Ukraine and Belarus could reach another 140,000.

Chernobyl death toll grossly underestimated

They haven't contained the Japanese Nuclear disaster,and its obviously getting worse.

(Reuters) - Greed in the nuclear industry and corporate influence over the U.N. watchdog for atomic energy may doom Japan to a spreading nuclear disaster, one of the men brought in to clean up Chernobyl said on Tuesday.

Slamming the Japanese response at Fukushima, Russian nuclear accident specialist Iouli Andreev accused corporations and the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of wilfully ignoring lessons from the world's worst nuclear accident 25 years ago to protect the industry's expansion.

Chernobyl clean-up expert slams Japan, IAEA