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Analysis of Sample From 'Miraculous' Stairs in Santa Fe Found Unknown Species of Wood

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posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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They made a movie on this. I remember watching it on the TV when I was 10 or 11.

The Staircase (1998-TV Movie)
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posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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After 10 Minutes of reading and doing some research I have a distinctive BS smell up my nostrils, and here's why:

- 90% of the websites carrying this copy-paste job of an article ( which is from a religious book as I understand ) are also religious websites. These guys always try to prove a point now don't they.

- I was able to dig out some antique research documents on a dotMIL site, authored by Forrest N. Easley, and it appears that even though he was doing what appears contract work for a company called LENKURT ELECTRIC CO INC SAN CARLOS CA, his expertise was in the field of electronics and communications. On top of that these documents show he worked there on the 1960's, and the article claims the wood sample was taken between 1991 and 2006 .. and then given to the oldest specialist in the communications lab in the CNIC because he is specialized in testing wood.

It just doesn't make sense from top to bottom. The claim this staircase would defy physics just makes it even more hard to swallow.

So, yes, I guess it's an impressive staircase and a well told story, and I have no doubt it's a wonder of craftsmanship, but as far as the rest of the story concerned, it would be be more likely that the nuns couldn't pay the carpenter, killed him by smashing his skull with his own hammer, and then disposed the body, and made up this wonderful story to explain his disappearance.

But that's a story for a whole new Thread




posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by NerdGoddess
this staircase is gorgeous! It reminds me of a cute pair of heels i have.
I want a staircase like this!


Heels ? As in shoes ?

Was reaching the top shelf really that troublesome ?



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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I think Juan Valdez makes more than coffee..........



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Maybe the guy who made it was a Da Vinci of some sort...It took him 8 months to make it. A normal staircase wouldn't take that long. He probably had exact scale models of it...



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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it would be be more likely that the nuns couldn't pay the carpenter, killed him by smashing his skull with his own hammer, and then disposed the body, and made up this wonderful story to explain his disappearance. But that's a story for a whole new Thread


Hm,


Hiram Abiff is a character who figures prominently in an allegorical play that is presented during the third degree of Craft Freemasonry. In this play, Hiram is presented as being the chief architect of King Solomon's Temple, who is murdered by three ruffians during an unsuccessful attempt to force him to divulge the Master Masons' secret password




Hiram, a craftsman of great skill sent from Tyre. 2 Chronicles 2:13-14 relates a formal request from King Solomon of Jerusalem to King Hiram I of Tyre, for workers and for materials to build a new temple; King Hiram responds "And now I have sent a skillful man, endowed with understanding,


Now surely we have the makings of a conspiracy lol?



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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I Heard of something similar, it was wood with water, then frozen and stronger than concrete, unthaws less than water.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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It's good to know Jesus is making house-calls and still practicing his old profession



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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I Laughed a little



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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From the article: "However, the skeptical viewpoint comes in large part from a magazine operated by humanists and atheists..."

So...in other words Rational People.


Oh and I found an article written by such Rational People [www.csicop.org...] , and found out a few things. "The wood has reportedly been identified as to family, Pinaceae, and genus, Picea — i.e., spruce (Easley 1997), a type of “light, strong, elastic wood” often used in construction ("Spruce” 1960)."....of which it further explains, there are no less that thirty nine different species.

Oh and one more thing from that article....The staircase DOES have a supporting column....its just not in the middle, but is rather hidden by mounting it to a separate column which supports the upstairs loft with an Iron Brace.

Still I would call this beautiful staircase a miracle....not one of the paranormal variety, but of Human Ingenuity.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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"A friend of mine (now deceased) had a process whereby the density of wood could be increased with pressure and steam and then "locked" into that state with resin/lacquer."

You mean plywood? Multiple layers bonded with epoxy under pressure = plywood.


BTW, I've seen the Loretto staircase and was tottaly amazed.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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Oh Yes, Staircase is Amazing !! This is the first time I have seen the staircase after hearing the story for the past 40 years,,,Magnificent !!! This staircase really points out an important aspect about Life these days,,,,Craftsmanship is a Lost Art,,,the World as a society is losing very neat & important Ancient Wisdom ,, trading Wisdom for instant gratification like email, IM, TV, --- I'm new to this site & I'm in wonder of the neat topics, posts & People on here,,,I think All of Us can admit that this site ATS is a good site where We can share, give & learn,,,Thx Yall !!



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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The main support is at the top level, with all the power being distributed equally down to the base. The structure was made with flat spirals of wood that were then unfolded in the same way as a Slinky, I guess from the bottom up, fixing the side poles gradually as the coil was unfolding. The core, vertical spiraling wall was made with a loing sheet of wood rolled up on itself, and then gradually opened, at the same time than the spirals, in a telescopic way, like when pulling out a photo camera roll from the side. See?

So how it holds so tightly yet without a center pole? Because the whole structure supports itself, with, as I said, the upper end being the main support. the vertical pillar holding the bottom end of the ramp is also very important, since without it a lot of tension would be released. It altogether creates circular tension, and holds it all perfectly by vertical and horizontal structures, so that tension is transformed into a force that holds it all in one. it doesn't need a center pole, it simply holds on its own... not by magic, but simply by a careful combination of physical factors, up to the tiniest detail.

This is is architectural genius, still. I assumed the guy had natural insight into geometry that made him into thinking out this shape, and get the right proportions... the most crucial part. Probably he was simply inspired, like artists.

Tons of PhD-level architects would struggle finding how to do this so perfectly
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posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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I found info on this staircase long before the internet was a gleem in al gore's crotch. This was not invented by the nuns to gain financial notariety, but the legend has been around for some time. Debunk as you may, but there are many stories that defy any logical explaination. Instead of trying to rebuke any hopeful situation, perhaps one should plastic up their windows in preparation for a plutonium armegedon.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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I live in Gdansk. Its old harbor city. In past times there were plenty of talented carpenters here which specialized in such stairs because such stairs come originally from ships. Thanks to that many old buildings had now such type of stairs which is in fact typical for Gdansk. I'm almost sure that I saw few of them without central pillar and they stand there much longer than hundred years. Some of them have more than three hundred years. Many of this buildings are pubs or museums so everyone could watch them and use them.

Maybe this story is true but I am architect and I don't find this stairs impossible. They stand because this is coupled construction. But as I sea this case one thing is fore sure true. He was a ship carpenter. These carpenters who specialize in houses would not be able to build such stairs.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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No, not plywood. When you tap two pieces of this treated wood together (he called it Jadewood) it sounds like glass and it is really stronger (in flexion and impact strength) than a similar sized piece of steel.

You can barely cut it with a normal saw, you need carbide tips to machine it properly. It blunts high carbon steel quite quickly.

His process was initially a way to utilize core wood which is softer, more porous and has more defects than wood from the outer part of a tree. Because of this, the core wood is traditionally discarded, which he thought was a waste we could not afford.

The whole process uses steam, pressure, kilning and plastic impregnation.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:03 AM
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Looks like a staircase built by JC himself, or possibly a sailor-man.

Toot toot.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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Thanks a lot...both You and St Joseph failed me...I said the prayer for 9 days and it failed to work.Now you've ruined St Joseph's record of the prayer never failing....I will never forgive you.



posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Could it be an unknown species of wood?

Yup, it could be.

Of course, that could simply mean that the sample didn't match other sampled they already had banked. or that the sample they took was damaged or contaminated. it could even mean just what it sounds like, that this comes from a tree unfamiliar to biology.

Doesn't make it magical; this thing certainly doesn't defy physics to any degree, as the article tries to claim. Just means that some old dude had some wood of unknown provenance.

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posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by audio assasin
SOUNDS LIKE JESUS BUILD IT


I think that's probably the most plausible answer. After all, that whole story about Jesus rising up into Heaven seems a little tacked on, if you ask me. A more likely scenario might be that Jesus "faked" his own Assumption, in order to continue to walk the Earth and spread his message. He had conquered death, after all. So taking the guise of an old man -- The Gospels themselves say that Jesus would sometimes appear as different people -- he built the staircase in the church as a reminder to people that he is still here.

It's the only reasonable, scientific answer that makes any logical sense.




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