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Originally posted by Chieftian Chaos
Look...I don't believe that the Egyptians could build those pyramids. I have personally been to Egypt and have seen the pyramids. There is no way in God's green earth that they could have gotten those bricks (you can't even call them bricks they're so massive) up to the upper levels without having people constantly peeling over due to torn muscles in the back. If you have not seen the pyramids, you really have no idea what your talking about. See them first hand, and then see if you have the same beliefs.
Originally posted by Chieftian Chaos
I do know that the Egyptians were master craftsmen (hell...they had to be if they made those things), but we are talking about the 3 Pyramids and the Sphynix (which continues to marvel me to this day on how it was crafted). But we all will have our own beliefs. Now, I'm not saying that aliens (if they exist) helped, but it sure woulda have been very very very difficult to A) Move the blocks to the upper levels to construct the pyramid, B) Make it rigid enough to move through, and C) Carve those huge and tough stones.
Most big building projects, such as building the medieval cathedrals, used a constant, skilled work force over many years. Let us assume that the great pyramid was no different. So let us assume a fairly constant skilled workforce working 300 days per year, and a target of 10 years to completion. There is no reason to vary the rate of building as the pyramid rises.
In 10 years we have 3000 working days.
So each day we need to cut, move and place 2 000 000 / 3000 = 666 blocks per day.
Let us assume 700 blocks per day to allow for some wastage.
I am going to use the figures for cutting stone by hand provided by the Beer Quarry Caves in Devon UK. Here it took 10 hours for one man to cut a 4 ton block of stone.
It seems a reasonable deduction that on average 1 man will be expected to cut 1 block of stone of 2.5 tons as his days work - an easy measure of whether he has worked well that day!
So 700 blocks per day requires 700 men as cutters in the quarries.
100 men each loading and transporting 7 blocks per day and removing debris.
10 men each preparing 70 saws per day.
If I were building the pyramid I would hope to cut the stone from a quarry from a rock face slightly uphill of the building site, even up to 10 miles away, so that I can build a wooden sledge track with a downhill slope to the quarry site. Even at that distance a team of one man and a pair of oxen should haul 3 blocks per day.
So for transport to the building site we need 250 men.
Lifting the stone up the sloping face of the pyramid using the Herodotus lifting engine requires a team of 6 people pulling the levers to lift a block 1m in 10 seconds with an expenditure of 500w of energy each.
If we assume that they are not being flogged to death, take a reasonable rest between each block and we use 10 lifting engines side by side, then each engine series needs to lift 70 blocks per day.
This is the one area where the workforce has to increase as the pyramid gets higher, because we are using a team of 60 people for every metre it increases in height, but this is not skilled labour - just pull and release the levers, then sit down and rest for 5 minutes.
On the working level we need 100 people to move and place the blocks, 10 people to move and rebuild the sledge tracks and perhaps another 20 people to lower the sledges back to the ground - but the sensible way would be to lower the sledges on ropes attached to the rising sledges, so reducing the energy required for both operations.
Add another 10 carpenters to maintain the tracks.
Add another 300 people to do all the checking, supervising and procurement
And we have a grand total of 2000 people to build a pyramid up to the 10m level and then an extra 60 people for each metre extra height.
Not a vast number!! and far more likely to be specialist workers paid well on a year round basis.
Originally posted by chapo
Hi Mpeake, leave the peace of that 4 internet sites. Printed yours
calculations and give to an architect if you know, just ask him.
Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
I've seen the pyramids infront of me in the flesh. Before I saw them I thought there was no way man could build such a thing without help or knowledge which is unknown today.
After seeing them in the flesh there is no doubt in my mind. Man did not build them with raw man power. Not only were those blocks put into place, there were transfered from A to B. Not only were they transfered but they were cut to the exact measurement that you cannot fit a piece of paper between them. They are also aligned with the 3 stars in orions belt, an extensive knowledge of the stars is need to acheive such a task. Also viewing certain stars through certain shafts was another thing that need knowledge of the stars.
One more thing. The Pyramid of Giza is located at the centre of Earths land mass, that alone require knowledge of the Earth and at least a birds eye view of the world.
Man power MAY, MAY, have been used to fashion them. They sure weren't positioned by man knowledge. Thats my 2 cents.
[edit on 23-8-2004 by 7th_Chakra]
Originally posted by Italiano
Are you forcing people to believe humans build the piramids?
They are also aligned with the 3 stars in orions belt,
an extensive knowledge of the stars is need to acheive such a task. Also viewing certain stars through certain shafts was another thing that need knowledge of the stars.
One more thing. The Pyramid of Giza is located at the centre of Earths land mass
you're right, my mistake. true and magnetic are two different things, but was true and magnetic aligned and the same at the time of construction?
Originally posted by Nygdan
No, in fact, I've never heard of them ever being aligned. Also, there are multiple magnetic norths.