Originally posted by f10869
you basically call people stupid and pointless that don't share your views.
Please show me where I have called people "stupid and pointless". What I have
done is considered your point of view and questioned your
arguments. However, IMO the same can not be said for the majority of the pro crowd. The fact that thus far no reasonable answers to my
arguments have turned up may make it seem
like your arguments are "stupid and pointless" - you tell me.
you try and quote a study from 20 years ago that was done by a group with ANTI DEATH PENALTY VIEWS!!!! How convenient.
The study I think you may be referring to was reported in 1988 by The United Nations Committee on Crime Prevention and Control
findings were presented in Uniform Crime Report
. None of wich can be considered Anti Death Penalty Groups
. I also provided links to
research done as recently as 2002. Please pay attention.
keep tryin. i'm gettin a good laugh.
Laughing about an important issue such as this while you're ignoring the evidence presented really shows your actual attitude. Truly troubling.
Originally posted by torque
I'd rather pay the higher cost of execution for the people represented in the links I provided than know that year after year money is being spent to
feed, house and educate these sub-humans.
You keep contradicting your own arguments. Now you'd be happy to pay more
for capital punishment? Suddenly it's not
money. You really need to make up your mind in this.
I can see that for now, this discussion is pretty much pointless. I'm willing to take a partial blame in this. My initial goal was to try and make
the pro death crowd do some serious thinking about the actual reasons for, and the consequences of their opinion. IMO this issue is far too important
for opinions based on pure ignorance to be even remotely acceptable. However, my ambition to open some eyes in this question may have clouded my
judgement in choosing the appropriate manner in doing so. I may have been coming off as arrogant and aggressive wich may have alienated some of you,
causing resentment against my argument. If this is what has happened, I am sorry, because then I truly will have accomplished nothing.
As a principal I think it's just as wrong when people argue the abolition
of capital punishment if that opinion is based on ignorance. I have
stated that the opinion of being pro death penalty is a stupid
one. What I think is stupid is to form an opinion on this issue
based on ignorance - whatever that opinion may be.
This question I think, is as simple as it is complex. IMHO it's simple when you consider the evidence about capital punishment not
effective as a deterrent, not
being cheaper than life imprisonment and finally, not
being successful in decreasing the amount of
homicides; quite the contrary.
It's more complex when it comes to the moral aspects of such a punishment. My opinion
is that the death penalty does more harm than good for a
society. It legitimizes murder, it lessens the value of human life and it is an intolerable denial of civil liberties. It is also inconsistent with
fundamental values of the democratic system. IMO, abolition of such a punishment is an important step in the evolution of society.
I would like to add that an eye for an eye
- in its true meaning - can never be used as punishment in reality, so please refrain from using
that argument. For if this would be used across the board - which if used it should - are we going to rape the rapists? Are we going to steal from
thieves? Are we going to kill multiple murderes more than once? Capital punishment is not about an eye for an eye
. It's about accepting
legalized murder as the severest punishment.
Finally, I ask of you people to consider the actual consequences of capital punishment, which obviously, if not even more so, also goes for the
killing of children in the name of the law. Because it will not
come without consequences.
That is all.
[edit on 28-7-2004 by Durden]