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Ufo's, New Age. They are not what you think they are!

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 03:59 AM
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Invisible stigmata is a phenomenon many have experienced, much like visible stigmata is. It is as verifiable as your claims to be an ET. I can feel the blood flowing down my body. I've experienced the piercing sensation, as well as the holes in my hands, the crown around my head, as well as the piercing by my side. The fire was not a comfortable fire, but a consuming one. I've also felt a wonderful light after much of my tribulation. I've experienced all this without resorting to magick, but simply by asking God to give me a powerful experience where I would be a liar if I denied Him, because I was an atheist looking for evidence. I sometimes wish the marks could become visible so people would believe. But I'm afraid they would still say I manifested it by faith or something to that effect, after which they would continue living their lives as though heaven and hell aren't real or nothing to worry about. Since neither can you show you are an ET, nor I can show you that the Bible is true(not an esoteric interpretation of it), I think we've reached a stalemate, unless you are willing to try what I did after a lifetime of disbelieving.




posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I was, at first, not quite sure how to respond here. For, in a sense you are right, this is a stalemate. However, I feel this is the case, primarily because you seem to want to attribute / equate personal experience with scientific data. I've decided they are not equal. And, scientific data, as flawed as it is, is still far superior. Scientific data is qualifiable and quantifiable. The two properties alone, make it the only evidence an intelligent person, regardless of religous tendancies, should accept.

Personal experience is only valid for the experiencer. I have personal experiences that have proven my "claims" to me beyond any possible doubt. This experience is something that no God could refute. Unless you are going to tell me that my Mother was a demon, and therefore a lie. Not something I would recommend however.


Originally posted by 547000
Invisible stigmata is a phenomenon many have experienced, much like visible stigmata is. It is as verifiable as your claims to be an ET.


Your stigmata I am sure in a nice story, but, that is all that it can be for everyone, save, yourself. Stories are not scientific, they are not quantifiable. And, with no method to measure these stories, no way to determine their reality, they become invalid except to ourselves.

I could tell you a story of being on the deck of a starship, talking with my mother, with Earth as a background. This kind of experience is very profound, as much as your stigmata. Yet, it is absolutely useless, except to myself.

We are all living in a time where personal beleif is becomming less and less relevent. Earth is moving into a time where attributes like intelligence, knowledge, "practical" experience holds more value than personal experience.

In as much as my presented evidence is all scientific in nature, it is by definition verifiable. While yours, being primarily personal experience, simply is not.

Have you even viewed all of my evidence? It would seen not. There are other aspects, less accepted by the scientific community, that are actually quite impressive, and, virtually impossible, yet it is there. And, of course, you will need to understand, that I care not what your opinion of these so-called "Bible Codes" is. This begins to approach a state where a Christian needs to decide if he trusts God, or the science of Man. Yet, in this instance both need to be utilized. One needs to express what might be thought of as "faith", faith that their Holy Book is in fact the work of God. And, One has to express a kind of "faith" in science. In this regard, I would ask that you open your mind to the probabilities, that perhaps, your faith does not explain everything.

You are entering a time where you can not have "pre-conceived" idea about Off-Worlders, and what constitutes a Human. The Universe is far too large, contains far too many possibilities, for you to simply write of anything as being, or not being, from God Himself.

It is true that there will be deception, but, in this regard we all need to rely on both our religous system, and science. There is far too much at stake.

If, and for now I suppose it must remain an "IF", the worst happens, you may very well need aid from off-world sources, and that my good Human, is the reason I have begged to stay a while longer.


a lifetime of disbelieving.


Please do not make the mistake of thinking that I do not believe, for you would be very, very wrong!

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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I personally don't believe that any of those aliens are gonna help us, it doesn't work that way, they have to want something in return.

I can see how they'd want good genes, good scientist, and heavy duty workers who can do the jobs they want, but I'm not seeing them coming down here to save people just because they love them so much.

The New Age movement, some say, is partially funded by bad guys with an agenda who have know for a long time that every something years the planet gets a massive surface overhaul.

I don't think their exactly demons, more like from another dimension attempting to hijack our dimension and play Nintendo, but with metaphysical knowledge and technologies that delve into creating comfortable avatars that they can use down here and perfect servants to get their kind of jobs done.



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by secretlibraryclerks
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I personally don't believe that any of those aliens are gonna help us, it doesn't work that way, they have to want something in return.

I can see how they'd want good genes, good scientist, and heavy duty workers who can do the jobs they want, but I'm not seeing them coming down here to save people just because they love them so much.

The New Age movement, some say, is partially funded by bad guys with an agenda who have know for a long time that every something years the planet gets a massive surface overhaul.

I don't think their exactly demons, more like from another dimension attempting to hijack our dimension and play Nintendo, but with metaphysical knowledge and technologies that delve into creating comfortable avatars that they can use down here and perfect servants to get their kind of jobs done.


Hi secretlibraryclerks,

There are no Aliens!!!! The ones we are seeing are manifesting from the Fallen Angels and earth women called the Nephilim. They are here on the earth and are spirits, unclean spirits working with Lucifer and all the NWO , Secret Society freaks who are 'enlightened' through their god 'Lucifer.'

This is working up to an incredible light show and to mess with your brain on certain wavelengths they have planned. Will you look up at all this and say ' I knew they were real', they've come to help out humanity and save us with their fake Holographic Jesus, Budha, whatever is the most prolific religion will see their god in that area.

Will you be Biblically knowledgeble enough to see through what they are doing to you. It is called a False Flag attack to frighten you, just wait, it's building up the chemtrails getting the screen ready and getting us used to seeing those trails in the sky for years. The show will begin soon. Just know the ones abducting us have been here all along . They are from Lucifer and he will continue the battle for your soul. The Mark comes to mind. If they scare the entire world with this Faux Alien Invasion and get the desired effect of a War against God himself and dismantle the Nukes we cannot fight them.

This is a Spiritual War , for your mind, soul, they will get their NWO and almost all will believe the Antichrist because he will usher in Peace and Unity, no more wars, no poverty, just one catch "Worship ME" take the mark if you want to buy and sale. For he will elevate himself as God. He thinks he'll win, he won't if you don't let him. To ever think there is not a Devil is very foolish that's what he wants us to think, that and Christ isn't real.

Well, like I said Christ gave a free gift. Salvation is free if you all only accept the Gift.

And the 'Aliens' are not gods, saviors, nor are they your friends. They are spirits of deceipt and the one they are working for hates you and me very much. Jesus loves us so much that he died for you and me. He didn't need to probe your rectum, abduct you in the middle of the night (that's rude to wake someone up from sleep) take you and do experiments on you and sometimes stare you in the face to bring about a sexual outcome. Telepathic Orgasm Yuk!!!! That is not a loving being. Jesus did not do any of those things, for he was here about OUR FATHERS Business and that is to bring us life and bring it more abundantly and make a bridge for our souls to God.

Aliens are NOT REAL they are spiritual manifestations. And they have been working at it for over 60 years. The craft in the sky are ramping up aren't they? Why? It's called the End Times and Armagedon is getting closer. 1948 started the clock. Watchman Watch.

Bless you and let God bring you more wisdom.



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I was, at first, not quite sure how to respond here. For, in a sense you are right, this is a stalemate. However, I feel this is the case, primarily because you seem to want to attribute / equate personal experience with scientific data. I've decided they are not equal. And, scientific data, as flawed as it is, is still far superior. Scientific data is qualifiable and quantifiable. The two properties alone, make it the only evidence an intelligent person, regardless of religous tendancies, should accept.

Personal experience is only valid for the experiencer. I have personal experiences that have proven my "claims" to me beyond any possible doubt. This experience is something that no God could refute. Unless you are going to tell me that my Mother was a demon, and therefore a lie. Not something I would recommend however.


Originally posted by 547000
Invisible stigmata is a phenomenon many have experienced, much like visible stigmata is. It is as verifiable as your claims to be an ET.


Your stigmata I am sure in a nice story, but, that is all that it can be for everyone, save, yourself. Stories are not scientific, they are not quantifiable. And, with no method to measure these stories, no way to determine their reality, they become invalid except to ourselves.

I could tell you a story of being on the deck of a starship, talking with my mother, with Earth as a background. This kind of experience is very profound, as much as your stigmata. Yet, it is absolutely useless, except to myself.

We are all living in a time where personal beleif is becomming less and less relevent. Earth is moving into a time where attributes like intelligence, knowledge, "practical" experience holds more value than personal experience.

In as much as my presented evidence is all scientific in nature, it is by definition verifiable. While yours, being primarily personal experience, simply is not.

Have you even viewed all of my evidence? It would seen not. There are other aspects, less accepted by the scientific community, that are actually quite impressive, and, virtually impossible, yet it is there. And, of course, you will need to understand, that I care not what your opinion of these so-called "Bible Codes" is. This begins to approach a state where a Christian needs to decide if he trusts God, or the science of Man. Yet, in this instance both need to be utilized. One needs to express what might be thought of as "faith", faith that their Holy Book is in fact the work of God. And, One has to express a kind of "faith" in science. In this regard, I would ask that you open your mind to the probabilities, that perhaps, your faith does not explain everything.

You are entering a time where you can not have "pre-conceived" idea about Off-Worlders, and what constitutes a Human. The Universe is far too large, contains far too many possibilities, for you to simply write of anything as being, or not being, from God Himself.

It is true that there will be deception, but, in this regard we all need to rely on both our religous system, and science. There is far too much at stake.

If, and for now I suppose it must remain an "IF", the worst happens, you may very well need aid from off-world sources, and that my good Human, is the reason I have begged to stay a while longer.


a lifetime of disbelieving.


Please do not make the mistake of thinking that I do not believe, for you would be very, very wrong!

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Well, I asked God to give me subjective proof if objective proof is not available, and He gave me proof, for me, not everyone else. I got exactly what I asked for.

How is what you believe "scientific" if science does not agree with your conclusions or reasoning? It doesn't matter where the masses go, because it does not make what the majority believe true. In fact, is it written that in the end-times there will be worldwide apostasy and disbelief and that many people will be surprised when the end comes.



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by 547000

How is what you believe "scientific" if science does not agree with your conclusions or reasoning? It doesn't matter where the masses go, because it does not make what the majority believe true. In fact, is it written that in the end-times there will be worldwide apostasy and disbelief and that many people will be surprised when the end comes.


My evidence is easily verifiable by anyone who cares to do so. It is thus "repeatable" and "verifiable"; making it scientific. Terrestrial biological science neither agrees, nor, disagrees with my hyothesis. It is a hypothesis that is "done" in the normal method for science, in that it explanes the data ... it fits.

Further, any normal explanation; like the introduction of DNA elements from other populations, does not explane the data.

Yes, disbelief; we can see it at work here in this conversation. The problem is, most Humans don't believe even when presented with valid data. God doesn't work with many simply because "God" does nothing for them, either in a physical sense or a spiritual one. Many have been turned from religion by the hypocracy exibited by most organized religions. It is truly a shame, because a form of "spirituality" is very good for the individual, as well as a society.


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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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Verifiable, but not scientific. That you have different DNA than you expect is insufficient evidence that you are an alien. Thus your claims to be an alien is not a scientific one, and like with me, people will have to either believe or disbelieve your claims, lest my stigmata becomes visible in the future. If you can conjure up notions of non-terrestrial science, I can conjure up notions of holy science, that the senses cannot always sense the spiritual.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
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Verifiable, but not scientific. That you have different DNA than you expect is insufficient evidence that you are an alien. Thus your claims to be an alien is not a scientific one, and like with me, people will have to either believe or disbelieve your claims, lest my stigmata becomes visible in the future. If you can conjure up notions of non-terrestrial science, I can conjure up notions of holy science, that the senses cannot always sense the spiritual.
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Not scientific? Do you know ehat constitutes scientific data? How about the most basic principles of data analysis? Or mineing?

I would like to hear your interpretation of the data. But, in as much as you have avoided all my questions, I don't expect anything.

So, here is a wee bit of the analysis, derived from a very simple mineing operation. My DNA markers belong to a person that is of Indo-African descent. What is "expected" here is DNA of a Scott-English person, and that simply isn't there. As with Mr. Chalker's evidence; the markers found are not just unexpected, but, completely surprising. Basicly, it should not be. And, this doesn't even address the ELS found in the Bible ... that is your Holy Book, right?

By the way ... that ELS shouldn't exist either. What I am talking about here are the probabilities involved here, thay are, to put it very simply; astronomical (against their existance). Then there is the Baysian math involved that is showing a greater than 99% probability that I am in fact ET.

Also, until and unless you address the data, then perhaps you should quite trying to argue against that data. So far all you have done is attempt to side-track any discussion of that data by introducing quaint stories, and other totally non-relevant idea.

What notions of non-terrestrial science?



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000
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Verifiable, but not scientific. That you have different DNA than you expect is insufficient evidence that you are an alien. Thus your claims to be an alien is not a scientific one, and like with me, people will have to either believe or disbelieve your claims, lest my stigmata becomes visible in the future. If you can conjure up notions of non-terrestrial science, I can conjure up notions of holy science, that the senses cannot always sense the spiritual.
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Not scientific? Do you know ehat constitutes scientific data? How about the most basic principles of data analysis? Or mineing?

I would like to hear your interpretation of the data. But, in as much as you have avoided all my questions, I don't expect anything.

So, here is a wee bit of the analysis, derived from a very simple mineing operation. My DNA markers belong to a person that is of Indo-African descent. What is "expected" here is DNA of a Scott-English person, and that simply isn't there. As with Mr. Chalker's evidence; the markers found are not just unexpected, but, completely surprising. Basicly, it should not be. And, this doesn't even address the ELS found in the Bible ... that is your Holy Book, right?

By the way ... that ELS shouldn't exist either. What I am talking about here are the probabilities involved here, thay are, to put it very simply; astronomical (against their existance). Then there is the Baysian math involved that is showing a greater than 99% probability that I am in fact ET.

Also, until and unless you address the data, then perhaps you should quite trying to argue against that data. So far all you have done is attempt to side-track any discussion of that data by introducing quaint stories, and other totally non-relevant idea.

What notions of non-terrestrial science?



Yes, I know what constitutes scientific thinking, do you? You're pretty much the one who said it can't be proven conclusively by terrestrial biological science--those notions. How does having genes that belong to a different geographic region than expected scientifically point to being an ET? How would statistical analysis point to being an ET? Wouldn't scientists have to assume a few things about ETs and genes for a mathematical model to correlate to reality? As far as I know scientists know nothing about ETs, so how do you conclude your claims to be an ET is scientific? The data means nothing towards the claim to be an ET scientifically speaking. You're trying to pass it off as a scientific claim when in reality it isn't. It's just as quaint as my claims. The most you could say is having those genes is anomalous--not that you're an ET. That's just what you choose as an explanation, and there's nothing scientific about it.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by 547000

Yes, I know what constitutes scientific thinking, do you? You're pretty much the one who said it can't be proven conclusively by terrestrial biological science--those notions. How does having genes that belong to a different geographic region than expected scientifically point to being an ET? How would statistical analysis point to being an ET? Wouldn't scientists have to assume a few things about ETs and genes for a mathematical model to correlate to reality? As far as I know scientists know nothing about ETs, so how do you conclude your claims to be an ET is scientific? The data means nothing towards the claim to be an ET scientifically speaking. You're trying to pass it off as a scientific claim when in reality it isn't. It's just as quaint as my claims. The most you could say is having those genes is anomalous--not that you're an ET. That's just what you choose as an explanation, and there's nothing scientific about it.


I don't think I quite said that Terrestrial Biological Science can't conclusively proove this. I beleive I said that it hasn't, yet. If I gave the impression that your science "can't", then that is my failing in communication.

The reality there is that Terrestrial science has not yet proven this, but, so far there is little DNA data; only enough to indicate genetic ancestry, which has been shown to be highly anomalous. As with Mr. Chalker's case, the ET connection is not conclusive. However the hypothesis explains the data in both cases. Science does this sort of thing quite a lot; form a hypothesis to explain "observed" data. Nothing unusual or unscientific here.

But, not anywhere as "quaint" as your claims. I have data, and a hypothesis that explains it, while, you do not. Further your claims are of the same order as my claims to being on the deck of Mother's starship. Neither of these "quaint stories" are scientificly acceptable.

However, leaving the stories for the moment; there is still other data that I have presented. This other data does contribute to the overall notion that I'm ET (i.e. it is supportive of the hypothesis, even if it can't be used in the formation of the hypothesis).

I find it "interesting" that you would use such "faith" based arguements, and virtually insist that they are relevant, yet, any arguement I present is "baseless"; kind of hypocritical don't you think?

So I will suggest that we drop this argument, since it can go nowhere, until you begin to address all of the data. You seem to want to "pick and choose" which data to use, and it simply can not work that way.

Etharzi od Oma.


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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by 547000

Yes, I know what constitutes scientific thinking, do you? You're pretty much the one who said it can't be proven conclusively by terrestrial biological science--those notions. How does having genes that belong to a different geographic region than expected scientifically point to being an ET? How would statistical analysis point to being an ET? Wouldn't scientists have to assume a few things about ETs and genes for a mathematical model to correlate to reality? As far as I know scientists know nothing about ETs, so how do you conclude your claims to be an ET is scientific? The data means nothing towards the claim to be an ET scientifically speaking. You're trying to pass it off as a scientific claim when in reality it isn't. It's just as quaint as my claims. The most you could say is having those genes is anomalous--not that you're an ET. That's just what you choose as an explanation, and there's nothing scientific about it.


I don't think I quite said that Terrestrial Biological Science can't conclusively proove this. I beleive I said that it hasn't, yet. If I gave the impression that your science "can't", then that is my failing in communication.

The reality there is that Terrestrial science has not yet proven this, but, so far there is little DNA data; only enough to indicate genetic ancestry, which has been shown to be highly anomalous. As with Mr. Chalker's case, the ET connection is not conclusive. However the hypothesis explains the data in both cases. Science does this sort of thing quite a lot; form a hypothesis to explain "observed" data. Nothing unusual or unscientific here.

But, not anywhere as "quaint" as your claims. I have data, and a hypothesis that explains it, while, you do not. Further your claims are of the same order as my claims to being on the deck of Mother's starship. Neither of these "quaint stories" are scientificly acceptable.

However, leaving the stories for the moment; there is still other data that I have presented. This other data does contribute to the overall notion that I'm ET (i.e. it is supportive of the hypothesis, even if it can't be used in the formation of the hypothesis).

I find it "interesting" that you would use such "faith" based arguements, and virtually insist that they are relevant, yet, any arguement I present is "baseless"; kind of hypocritical don't you think?

So I will suggest that we drop this argument, since it can go nowhere, until you begin to address all of the data. You seem to want to "pick and choose" which data to use, and it simply can not work that way.

Etharzi od Oma.


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I never said my arguments were scientific, you did. I don't mind dropping the argument but I contend there's nothing scientific about it. In any case you might be able to verify some of the miracles if you were permitted to examine them, like the corpse of a saint, or if Padro Pio were still alive, his wounds. Then citing God did it as a scientific explanation would be perfectly valid by your logic, and you would be forced to accept my claims. The problem is that there can be multiple explanations for things, and science is mostly naturalistic and employs something called Occam's Razor. Thus your claims to be an ET would not be accepted by most scientists, as would nothing about the supernatural. It is you who seem to be picking and choosing. What sort of logic is "I have genes from a different historic region, therefore I'm an extraterrestrial"? Does this sound scientific to you? We have no science about extraterrestrials, so we wouldn't know if ETs have genes from different historic regions. We know nothing about ETs, we cannot do any experiments about ETs, we do not have scientific theories on ETs, so we cannot have any scientific claims about ETs, so we have to take your claims at face value. You say that just because the data is observable, that means your claim is scientific, in which case I say people sneezing is actually their soul trying to escape.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by 547000

I never said my arguments were scientific, you did.


No, actually, I didn't say your arguments were scientific.

Why is it that Humans can't read? One writes something in what is thought to be rather plain English, and, you fail to understand what is said!

Or is it that you simply don't pay attention?



I don't mind dropping the argument but I contend there's nothing scientific about it. In any case you might be able to verify some of the miracles if you were permitted to examine them, like the corpse of a saint, or if Padro Pio were still alive, his wounds.


And then you bring up something irrelevant. Though, yes, if it were possible to examine the bodies of some of the Saints, we micht find some surptising things, raise more questions ... could be a rather interesting study. And, it could also provide many answers.



Then citing God did it as a scientific explanation would be perfectly valid by your logic, and you would be forced to accept my claims.


Again, no. "God did it" isn't a scientific explaination.



The problem is that there can be multiple explanations for things, and science is mostly naturalistic and employs something called Occam's Razor.


Actually, if you took the totality of my life to this point; Occam's Razor would tell you that it is most likely that I'm ET. But, alas, Humans don't seem to want to use all of the relevant data. And, sometimes science proves that what was once thought to be truth, simply isn't; take the sape of your planet for instance. It is now known that it is a (sort of) sphere, and not a plane.



Thus your claims to be an ET would not be accepted by most scientists, as would nothing about the supernatural. It is you who seem to be picking and choosing.


I think that would entirely depend on if the scientists wanted to know the truth, and did the requisite testing. Like the tests I haven't done as yet.

Course, I could simply state that argueing the point without the data is an attempt to avoid the question, whether it be out of fear, or something else. It doesn't really matter, it is still an avoidance.



What sort of logic is "I have genes from a different historic region, therefore I'm an extraterrestrial"? Does this sound scientific to you? We have no science about extraterrestrials, so we wouldn't know if ETs have genes from different historic regions. We know nothing about ETs, we cannot do any experiments about ETs, we do not have scientific theories on ETs, so we cannot have any scientific claims about ETs, so we have to take your claims at face value. You say that just because the data is observable, that means your claim is scientific, in which case I say people sneezing is actually their soul trying to escape.


What sort of logic is this? The same sort that has led to that technology in front of you. The same logic that has lead to every scientific discovery in the history of your species.

No, you don't have any science about ET, but, if you keep your "head in the sand", you won't ever know! ANd, harmful speculations about us being "Demons" neither furthers science, nor Human understanding or knowledge. It can only serve to isolate you on your "rock", and be avoided by those who may be friends, And, of course, exploited by those who simply don't give a "hoot" about you.

I've shown you hard scientific data, I've shown you ELS from your own Holy Book, I've told you a couple of stories. And, yet, somehow, your personal experience holds more value than mine? You have no sense of honor, justice, or balance. And, you don't seem to care about truth.

I truly would like to know why it is that your "invisible stigmata", holds more weight, than me standing on the deck of a starship, looking down at your Earth, and being told, in so many words, that I'm not Human. Just how does that work?

As for the sneezing; you have no data! Where as I have observed two cases (the only public data available) of DNA purportedly from ET. In both cases there has been anomalous DNA. From this observation I have formed a hypothesis. My hypothesis explaines the data. In the case of Mr. Chalker's ET, there may be some question as to whether it is real ET DNA. In my case, I only have my Mother's word on it. I can't really see an ET traveling 2.5 million light years just to tell me a lie.

Again, I would ask if you have read all the data I have presented. If you have, good, all you need is an open mind, and a desire for truth. If not, then you should stick your head back in the sand, and ignore me.

The best argument you have given so far is a weak attempt to obfuscate the issue; this is a dis-service to both you and your God. Not to mention the Human species. I can't help but wonder why you are so afraid of the truth. Is your faith so weak that there is no room for the rest of the Universe?

Peace and understanding



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Nice irrelevant rambling about us sticking our heads in the sand. The fact remains that there is no scientific theory of ETs. What double standards are you applying? You're saying my personal experience is lesser than your personal experiences, because it's "scientific". You completely missed the point of the sneezes. Saying that because you have DNA you can't explain must mean you are an ET is unscientific. By your logic, the fact that we can verify sneezes exist makes the idea the soul is escaping when people do so a valid scientific claim. Or, because we know forces act at a distance means explaining it by gnomes a valid scientific idea. Neither do we have scientific evidence for gnomes, nor souls, nor ETs. Are you not stating that your claims are scientific? I never made that claim; I just made the claim that you can know it too if you tried.
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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You know what? I don't care for this argument anymore. If you want go ahead and claim that you being an ET is scientifically valid. We're all just idiots for suggesting aliens are demons. You are correct we are spiteful and bigoted. If you got a problem with that this just isn't the thread for you. We're just Jesus freaks and bible thumpers who have no idea what we're talking about. It's all just the greys and other evil aliens besmirching your kind with their actions. We don't recognize this idea, and we won't either. We're just idiots, and better for enlightened beings like you to avoid us.



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You say you have ET dna, but where are you getting that sample from, there must be something to compare it to or it is just a hypothysis, not a proven fact.

So your dna says you are genetically linked to African/South Asian lineage, it can happen. I look completely white, but I am built like an African American woman even they are confused "How'd that white girl get so blessed with all those curves" and ask me if I have a black mom or dad or black in my lineage but I don't, long straight honey colored hair, green eyes , tall , and caucasian. My lineage is Scottish/Native American Indian and I got no tan from the Chickasaw lineage darn! My point for saying this is I'm probably genetically connected way back to African bloodlines, but my caucasian heritage dictated the coloring. If I did a DNA test I would probably find this out. This does not prove you are extraterrestrial!!!! IMO.

But, you must have something to compare it to for it to apply. RH negative doesn't count as being off world. That's a dangerous situation between a mom and baby. I have read this theory, it doesn't fly.

DNA can be proven as going back to Africa, they are here and they are something real to compare all human dna to. But, where are the alien samples to do these comparisons?

A hypothesis is not a fact. I'm sorry but I'm with 547000 on this one. This has nothing to do with my thread and we don't change our stance from what this thread is pointing to. Supposed Aliens are spiritual manifestations, aka unclean spirits who leave at the name of Yeshua/Christ. Proven Fact!!!!

Peace and Understanding
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by DaphneApollo
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You say you have ET dna, but where are you getting that sample from, there must be something to compare it to or it is just a hypothysis, not a proven fact.


Have I not been saying "hypothesis" all along? Read back, you will see that I have. And, no a hypothesis is not proven face, neither is a theory.



So your dna says you are genetically linked to African/South Asian lineage, it can happen. I look completely white, but I am built like an African American woman even they are confused "How'd that white girl get so blessed with all those curves" and ask me if I have a black mom or dad or black in my lineage but I don't, long straight honey colored hair, green eyes , tall , and caucasian. My lineage is Scottish/Native American Indian and I got no tan from the Chickasaw lineage darn!


Yes it can, and does happen frequently; but, there is always a person of "lineage" in the equation. Which is to say, that if a person has African DNA, then there is always an African in their lineage. In my case, the African is imparted by "Father". Except, my terrestrial father traced his family line back some 1500+ years; no Africans. Further the African "haplogroup" I belong to is the "original" male DNA (Haplogroup "A") to Earth (that alone is uncommon).



But, you must have something to compare it to for it to apply. RH negative doesn't count as being off world. That's a dangerous situation between a mom and baby. I have read this theory, it doesn't fly.


The only DNA available for comparision is Human DNA; several hundred thousand samples. All conviently located in a "SQL" database. With this I can do data mining and see where a given set of markers should be. That is also how I know my Y-STR is African in origin (that is as opposed to Scottland).

RH factor; something I have wondered about. My terrestrial parents both had RH+ blood, yet mine is RH-. My question is why were there no complications?



DNA can be proven as going back to Africa, they are here and they are something real to compare all human dna to. But, where are the alien samples to do these comparisons?


Actually, One does not need ET DNA for a comparison. If a given set of markers does not fit a specific species, then that DNA is not from that species. Kind of like comparing equine and bovine DNA, neither "fit" in the other. As contrasted to comparing Wolf and Dog DNA; the "fit" is so close that it is impossible to distinguish the two. Then there is Chimpanzee and Human DNA. The fit is very close (some 96% I think), yet there are very remarkable differences.



A hypothesis is not a fact. I'm sorry but I'm with 547000 on this one. This has nothing to do with my thread and we don't change our stance from what this thread is pointing to. Supposed Aliens are spiritual manifestations, aka unclean spirits who leave at the name of Yeshua/Christ. Proven Fact!!!!


No, it has little to do with your original thread. Yet is still relevant. You are basing you belief on a premiss that ad absolutely no foundation (kind of like the guy who built his home on the sand). You have absolutely no evidence that any ET so ever is an "unclean spirit" (All living things are a kind of spiritual manifestation). There is no "proven fact" that ET, any ET, would "run away" at the mention of YHShVH. It is unlikely that they would even recognize it.

As for 547000; he seems to only wish to contort reality to suit his own views. He seems to be rather lacking in any ability to understand anything outside is overly insulated sphere.

So, anyway; congratulations! You have chased off the evil alien or however you perceive me. Just remember, when TSHTF, I wil still welcome you aboard my ship.

Etharzi od Oma.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Hi AnthraAndromda,




So, anyway; congratulations! You have chased off the evil alien or however you perceive me. Just remember, when TSHTF, I wil still welcome you aboard my ship.


I got such a chuckle out of this. Bless your heart, I can see your searching all over the internet for an answer to what you feel in your heart and soul what you feel to be true and who am I to say it's not true to you. Thanks for the invite onboard your Noah's Ark (I'm not making fun at all here) you bring your wolf and I'll bring my family and the two puppies I have left, the babies. I personally, speaking for myself , don't feel you are alien, but , what do I know. There is no way I can prove you aren't and there's no way you can prove to me you are, unless I see the ship itself and you come out of it, it's up in the air. But, kind gesture. Let's agree to disagree. When I see the ship show up I'll use the " In the name of Jesus" to see if it works o.k. just to test it out. LOL...




No, it has little to do with your original thread. Yet is still relevant. You are basing you belief on a premiss that ad absolutely no foundation (kind of like the guy who built his home on the sand). You have absolutely no evidence that any ET so ever is an "unclean spirit" (All living things are a kind of spiritual manifestation). There is no "proven fact" that ET, any ET, would "run away" at the mention of YHShVH. It is unlikely that they would even recognize it.


I can promise you this, I am the most Hard Headed woman you will Ever tangle with. Like I said we'll you and me agree to disagree. I have my truth and base it on faith. And you have your own truth agreed.




The only DNA available for comparision is Human DNA; several hundred thousand samples. All conviently located in a "SQL" database. With this I can do data mining and see where a given set of markers should be. That is also how I know my Y-STR is African in origin (that is as opposed to Scottland).


DNA is not a very old science, discovered not more than 15-20 years ago am I right. RH-/+ has to do with a protein in the blood and nothing as my husband has told me to do with DNA. I, myself, know nothing of anything to do with DNA but it would stand to reason, that you would need a sample from which to derive something to compare with something else. As in a crime scene, hair, blood, skin under fingernails, all can be extracted to run a DNA analysis of to stand up in a court of law. DNA is a one of a kind genetic fingerprint and is a nail in the coffin for the accused. Etc.




RH factor; something I have wondered about. My terrestrial parents both had RH+ blood, yet mine is RH-. My question is why were there no complications?


You probably should have had jaundice if that was the case. But, how can you have terrestrial 'parents' if you are off world?




Have I not been saying "hypothesis" all along? Read back, you will see that I have. And, no a hypothesis is not proven face, neither is a theory


Agreed here.

Peace and Understanding



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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I got such a chuckle out of this. Bless your heart, I can see your searching all over the internet for an answer to what you feel in your heart and soul what you feel to be true and who am I to say it's not true to you. Thanks for the invite onboard your Noah's Ark (I'm not making fun at all here) you bring your wolf and I'll bring my family and the two puppies I have left, the babies. I personally, speaking for myself , don't feel you are alien, but , what do I know. There is no way I can prove you aren't and there's no way you can prove to me you are, unless I see the ship itself and you come out of it, it's up in the air. But, kind gesture. Let's agree to disagree. When I see the ship show up I'll use the " In the name of Jesus" to see if it works o.k. just to test it out. LOL...


Well atleast I got the "chuckle" out of ya, LOL But,seriously, it appears the athe three of us (You, me, and 547000) are quite passionate abouut our beliefs. Whether it comes from an ancient book or a data set, I don't think it matters. What does matter is our goals, and in this case, it is the future of one of the most wonderful creations in the entire Universe; the Human species.

And, here is to hopeing that I/we don't have to do the Noah's Ark thing. There are unfortunately way too many people, and other creatures to try and save. But, I will do whatever I have to to save as much as I can.



I can promise you this, I am the most Hard Headed woman you will Ever tangle with. Like I said we'll you and me agree to disagree. I have my truth and base it on faith. And you have your own truth agreed.


Well, that remains to be seen, lol My GF is a very strong Woman! Of course we can agree to disagree, 547000 if he's game as well.



DNA is not a very old science, discovered not more than 15-20 years ago am I right. RH-/+ has to do with a protein in the blood and nothing as my husband has told me to do with DNA. I, myself, know nothing of anything to do with DNA but it would stand to reason, that you would need a sample from which to derive something to compare with something else. As in a crime scene, hair, blood, skin under fingernails, all can be extracted to run a DNA analysis of to stand up in a court of law. DNA is a one of a kind genetic fingerprint and is a nail in the coffin for the accused. Etc.


Yes DNA is a young science, but, it has had the advantage of modern technology. Human knowledge is advancing at an incredable rate, and accelerating. Back in the very early 80's I was working with an advanced computer system, it could support something like 32 users. It filled agood sized room and had to kept cold. Around 2002 I built a PC with many times the power and ability of the old "VAX 11/70", today I have a modern Intel i7 machine, makes my 9 year old computer look like a hand calculator.

In Mr. Chalker's case there was a strand of hair left on a person who was abducted, analysis showed that it must come from a rather rare sub-group of Asians, yet the hair was blond and "fine". That may appear to be human, but, the two are a bit are a bit exclusive of each other. In my case I've been getting DNA analysis from available sources. So far I have and Autosomal and a Y-STR analysis. Unfortunately these test are kind of expensive, so progress is kind of slow.

Just as you and 547000 have no question about your beliefs, I have no doubts either. As I have said, standing on the deck of a starship is a rather convincing experience. But, just as with your religious experiences, my personal experiences can only work for me. I truly wish it could be different, but, such is the nature of the world we live in.

As for the aliens = demons thing. I will continue to disagree. I've had the opportunity to meet some of them. Personally, I don't like the Greys much. Further, I can't see how anyone could expect much different from Humans. I mean, a group of ETs (I'm trying to be nice here) shows up and starts acting like virtually "calssical" demons, what are Humans supppose to think?

I'm also beginning to think that the non-interferrance policy of the Pleiadians is wholly wrong. It seems to me, that allowing the Greys and company (Zetas) to do as they please, is in fact, interferrance, perhaps more harmful than open contact. But, to my people I'm just a small child, so what do I know?



You probably should have had jaundice if that was the case. But, how can you have terrestrial 'parents' if you are off world?


Well, my BC doesn't indicate any complications, and if I remember correctly, there was a place to list any.

As I understand it; I was placed here as a "hide in plain sight" sort of thing. I don't seem to be able to get many of the details. Mother only says she will explain all when I'm ready. Sign; that could have been years ago, and I would have been quite happy. Anyway, it was intended that I appear as a "normal" Human, at least for a while. So, I got Human parents; my Terrestrial mother was the lucky one (?). Actually, I was told that she had problems taking a baby to full term, and, in 1947, medical science wasn't quite what it is today. I was told of one of her eariler children, a "still born" girl, about a year before me. And, a couple after. I can't imagine how that must have been for Her.

Peace and Understanding



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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Here is another article explaining the connection between aliens and demons.

There are even references any interested readers can peruse.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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Hi AnthraAndromeda

It is important One have the eye to carefully discern the source of any passed down 'knowledge' on our seeking path whether via religious or esoteric based texts alike. The occult path of esoteric 'magick' as you know is one frought with thorns and dangers to the practitioner who exercises free will in embracing such 'tools of knowledge' and personal 'power'. I am gauging that you have opened up conscious portals via energy exchange that has left you susceptible to many deceptive undivine frequency broadcasts and receptions---energies impacting your soul experiences/perceptions that you have willingly chosen to tune in/align your soul/astral body to that are of the Christ Rebellion Nephilim energy plane frequencies whether you fully realise/acknowledge this or not.

Whilst I certainly do not dispute that other extraterrestrial races exist outside our virtually infinite universe, it is important you are aware of the plans of highly cunning and deceptive interdimensional groups who are allowed manipulation/influence upon us Earth children within this CONTAINED Earth dimensional matrix. And this is what this particular thread is striving to raise awareness of---the coming 'new age alien deception' which is increasingly unfolding and will test the will of man to lead them either towards the divine path of true light or the undivine of false snaring illusions as the great cycle of this age comes to a close.

The 'Grays' you mention are souless android like entities, who were created by and acting on behalf of the Luciferian empire which incorporates the Reptilians and 'Nordic Pleaiadians' entities alike--beings who manipulate the will of mankind (via abductions/experiments/thought distortion as do the same spirits who have no qualms taking possession of 'channellers' who invite them in via divination. These entities have and will increasingly manifest physically into this dimension within this generation. The increasing conditioning for their arrival is evident amongst those who perceive the Truth of events to come.

The deceptive ruse being foisted via channellers/new age groups is that the Ashtar Galactic Federation Light group of 'Pleiadians' are the good guys who are coming to send away/fight off the evil grays and reptilians to rescue humanity from the 'darksiders/old energy group' to usher in a glorious 'new age' of light (the false Antichrist imitation of Divine Christ like). These beings will be beautiful, with charms, powers and 'miracles' and are going to seduce many as in the days of Noah. Many will fall under their spell.

The empire of Lucifer is rising and if you plan to board or have been promised escape from tribulations in 'alien ships', then you have already aligned yourself with the Nephilim Empire who ARE going to present themselves as I have been shown by the Christed Holy Spirit, among other life altering events yet to play out.

I have been given many revelations by the graces of the Holy Spirit alone, without desiring/utilising tools other than my own will, hunger and desire for Truth via our Divine Creator who seeded us here to follow the example of the Way, Truth and Life demonstrated by Christ.

Those who reject their loving Creator, Reject Truth and separate their Spirit from connection with True Divine Knowledge and fall prey to the Luciferian energy aligned 'doctrines of devils' void of the graces of the Holy Spirit. The Apostasy against Christ and the Creator is rife today and the stage is ripe for the ultimate plan of corruption/enslavement of souls with sinfulness, selfishness and wickedness abound in Man. Cause and effect will surely deliver these 'devils', no doubt for we have invited them to our door with our choices as a humanity seduced in dis-Grace.

The True Christ path dissolves all mortal fears. You can board your ship my friend if that is your journey and I will respect you as my brother of Light Creation regardless of your allegiances untoward the power and Glory of the coming Christ that you appear to reject in want of 'escape' to His pending arrival. The space ships will not be your Saviour or your Deliverance. May Peace and Holy Grace be with us All to reject all evils and illusions of the Adversaries.



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