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from Souljah
Yeah, the US of A are trying REALLY HARD not to Sell Small Arms to the People of this World, who really need other Commodities, like Food, Water, Medicine. BUT NO - Mister Bolton sure proved his Point, that USA do not want Anything to do with the Control, Reduction and Destruction of Small Arms Trade - even if Every Minute Somebody is Killed by a GUN!
Originally posted by Souljah
Originally posted by Muaddib
Check how many coalition forces your buddies the insurgents have killed, and then check how many Iraqis your buddies the insurgents have killed. Try to see who have your insurgents friends killed the most, you keep saying your buddies the insurgents care for the Iraqi people don't you? Why have they killed more Iraqis than coalition forces?...and why is it that Iraqi citizens have attacked killed and captured/given information about some of your insurgent friends?.....
I think I already told you, that the Insurgents are not my Buddies and Friends, or whatever you would LIKE them to be. You just have a Problem with my Opinion, which is completly Opposite from Yours, and you like to use every change you get, to use that Pharse. Why is that? Is that some form of undercover Insult? Anyway, I think you have just Adopted the Bush Doctrine, saying that, he who is not with us, is with the Terrorists. And I must say, that I am NOT with the Bushies nor do I respect and belive in ANYTHING they say and do. And that's your Problem - MY Opinion.
And the Statistics speak against you - Coalition Troops have Killed MORE Iraqi Civilians then the Iraqi Insurgents.
You are really something else Souljah, I knew you would try to find a way to blame the U.S. for what Radical Islamists have been doing....
Did you even know About Radical Islamists Before 9-11? Or is it just the Fashinalbe Pharse, that an averege Democratic Freedom Lover just has to use two times a Day in order to meet his daily War on Terror plans?
Yes souljah, take a look at all the government, of many different countries, as well as people who have no link to governments that sell weapons to Africa and other places and you will see that the U.S. is not the only one, nor is it the biggest seller of weapons to countries such as Africa....
I think you might find the Following VERY Interesting:
A Ban on Private Ownership of Military Weapons Including Assault Rifles and Grenade Launchers? Bush Administration Just Says NO!
John Bolton, the U.S. undersecretary of state for arms control, bluntly told the delegates that “The United States will not join consensus on a final document that contains measures contrary to our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.” He also said the United States, the largest supplier of arms worldwide, would not support moves to outlaw any arming of rebel groups, nor would it help fund a campaign by human rights groups to raise awareness of the trade. He also said the U.S. would not support a ban on private ownership of military weapons, including assault rifles and grenade launchers.
UN Conference on Small Arms
The Conference, held July 9-20, 2001, began on a rather sour tone with the statement of U.S. Under Secretary of State John Bolton, who expressed the U.S. position on the issue of small arms and the Conference in no uncertain terms. Bolton stressed that the Conference should address only the illicit transfer of military style weapons, excluding firearms and non-military rifles (the weapons responsible for terrible carnage and destruction around the world every year).
Bolton bluntly stated the position of the United States in front of the ministerial-level portion of the meeting, describing the U.S. “redlines,” items unacceptable for inclusion in the Conference plan. Bolton stated that the United States could not support a final Conference document that included:
- restrictions on the legal trade and manufacture of small arms and light weapons;
- promotion of international advocacy by NGOs and international organizations;
- restrictions on the sale of small arms and light weapons to entities other than governments;
- a mandatory review conference; and
- a commitment to begin discussions on legally binding agreements.
Yeah, the US of A are trying REALLY HARD not to Sell Small Arms to the People of this World, who really need other Commodities, like Food, Water, Medicine. BUT NO - Mister Bolton sure proved his Point, that USA do not want Anything to do with the Control, Reduction and Destruction of Small Arms Trade - even if Every Minute Somebody is Killed by a GUN!
I guess that does not Really Matter, for the Business is Great - Estimates of the black market trade in small arms range from US$2-10 billion a year!
Yes, such a Great Goverment represents the People of the United States...
Originally posted by jsobecky
It is not the business of the US to tell the "People of this World, who really need other Commodities, like Food, Water, Medicine" how to spend their money. That's more in line with the thinking of someone who is Communist - let the gov't make all decisions for the common man.
from Souljah
Tell me, how many MORE Africans have to Die in their Endless Civil Wars, before the so-called Civilized West with US in charge, does something, instead of selling them Gunz?
Originally posted by jsobecky
Figure it out for yourself, because if the US happened to do something, you would be the first to condemn their imperialism.
Your time would be better spent figuring out why young Slovenian cat-killers graduate to be traffickers in human flesh, instead of worrying so much about the USA.
Slovenian President Promotes Sudan Peace
Slovenia's president carried a peace initiative for Sudan's troubled Darfur region to the U.N. Wednesday, calling for an international peace conference and urging individual citizens to pressure their governments to take action.
President Janez Drnovsek called on the U.N. Security Council to step up its involvement in the region, where an estimated 180,000 people have died and about 2 million have been displaced since conflict erupted between ethnic African tribes and government-supported Arab militias in 2003.
While acknowledging his Balkan nation has no special interest in Sudan, Drnovsek said he felt compelled to address the humanitarian crisis because of "the power of connections between all people."
Originally posted by Souljah
I think I already told you, that the Insurgents are not my Buddies and Friends, or whatever you would LIKE them to be.
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Originally posted by Souljah
And the Statistics speak against you - Coalition Troops have Killed MORE Iraqi Civilians then the Iraqi Insurgents.
1,000 Iraqis Die in Stampede Over Rumors of Suicide Bomb
By Robert F. Worth
THE NEW YORK TIMES
BAGHDAD, IRAQ
More than 950 people were killed and hundreds injured Wednesday morning when rumors of a suicide bomber provoked a frenzied stampede in a procession of Shiite pilgrims as they crossed a bridge in northern Baghdad, government and hospital officials said.
Most of the dead were crushed or suffocated, witnesses said, but many also drowned after falling or jumping into the Tigris River after the panicking crowd broke through the bridge’s railings. The disaster was by far the greatest one-day loss of life since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
Iraqi civilians fight back, kill 3 attackers
Gun battle shows private citizens are getting fed up
By Robert F. Worth
New York Times News Service
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Ordinary Iraqis rarely strike back at the insurgents who terrorize their country. But just before noon on Tuesday a carpenter named Dhia saw a troop of masked gunmen with grenades coming toward his shop here and decided he had had enough.
As the gunmen emerged from their cars, Dhia and his young relatives shouldered their Kalashnikov rifles and opened fire, police and witnesses said. In the fierce gun battle that followed, three of the insurgents were killed, and the rest fled just after the police arrived. Two of Dhia's nephews and a bystander were wounded, the police said.
Originally posted by Souljah
Did you even know About Radical Islamists Before 9-11? Or is it just the Fashinalbe Pharse, that an averege Democratic Freedom Lover just has to use two times a Day in order to meet his daily War on Terror plans?
Yes souljah, take a look at all the government, of many different countries, as well as people who have no link to governments that sell weapons to Africa and other places and you will see that the U.S. is not the only one, nor is it the biggest seller of weapons to countries such as Africa....
A Ban on Private Ownership of Military Weapons Including Assault Rifles and Grenade Launchers? Bush Administration Just Says NO!
Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?
Modern Descendants of the STG-44 on America's Streets
Most of the assault weapons sold on America's civilian market are semiautomatic descendants of the STG-44. Here are a few of the more popular and notorious.
Kalashnikov AK-47 and its variants. The Soviet Army's AK-47 was derived from the STG-44 shortly after the Second World War, boosted by material and personnel that fell into Soviet hands when the Red Army overran German research and engineering facilities.12 The AK-47 (in many variants, like the AKM) has become, since the 1940s, the most widely-distributed rifle in the world.13 According to The Gun Digest Book of Assault Weapons:
"The AKM was the revolutionary weapon of the 1960s and ‘70s, used by everyone from the Viet Cong to the Palestine Liberation fighters. Its comparatively short length and light weight made war more available to Third World women and children, probably not an advance for civilization."14
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China exported few guns to the United States before the 1980s. But, beginning in 1987, Chinese rifle imports—mostly semi-automatic versions of the AK-47—surged. The flood of Chinese rifles reached 64 percent of all rifles imported into the United States in 1993 and was only cut off by the administration of former President Bill Clinton. (See table below.)15
Originally posted by Souljah
There are People who Actually NEED help down there, and for a Change the Allmighty US of A could actually provide Help to the people in Need. By doing that, US would also proove, that their Foreign Policy does not go hand with hand with Corporate Policies, and that that You truly are spreading Freedom, Liberty and Democracy as your President Claims. With such Actions you would Proove, that USA is not all About Profit, Control of Natural Resources and Military Warprofiting.
But I Guess you do not want to PROOVE to the World all of that.
Insults?
That's your BEST Argument?
Oh, and I belive that you are Violating the Rules of this Board.
And what does YOUR President call for in UN Security Council?
Iran.
Why?
Because of PetroDollar Warfare!
Originally posted by Souljah
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And For YOUR Information, our President is actually DOING Something to Help the African People - the People who NEED somebody to Help them.
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And what does YOUR President call for in UN Security Council?
Iran.
Why?
Because of PetroDollar Warfare!
Business as USUAL!
One of the major bodies providing aid in Dafur is the InterAction Group, the American Coucil for Voluntary International Action.
The InterAction members listed here are accepting contributions for assistance they or their affiliates are providing to those affected by the crisis in Chad and Western Sudan.
InterAction has also developed guidelines on the most appropriate ways to help those affected by overseas disasters.
InterAction is a coalition of more than 160 US-based private relief, international development and refugee assistance organizations. InterAction members have agreed to abide by a set of standards to ensure accountability to donors, professional competence and quality of service.
Action Against Hunger
ADRA International
Africare
AirServ
American Friends Service Committee
American Jewish World Service
American Red Cross
American Refugee Committee
AmeriCares
CARE
Catholic Relief Services
Christian Children's Fund
Church World Service
Concern Worldwide US
Direct Relief International
Episcopal Relief and Development
Food for the Hungry
GOAL
International Medical Corps
International Orthodox Christian Charities
International Rescue Committee
Jesuit Refugee Service/USA
Lutheran World Relief
MAP International
Mercy Corps
Operation USA
Oxfam America
Relief International
Save the Children
USA for UNHCR
US Fund for UNICEF
World Concern
World Emergency Relief
World Relief
World Vision
Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres)
www.msf.org...
MSF is an independent humanitarian medical aid organization committed to providing medical aid wherever it is needed and raising awareness of the plight of the people they help.
The International Rescue Committee
www.theirc.org...
The International Rescue Committee works to provide relief, rehabilitation, protection, post-conflict development, resettlement services and advocacy for those uprooted or affected by violent conflict and oppression. Their page on Darfur (www.theirc.org...) contains links to interesting firsthand accounts of Darfur by IRC aid workers.
Oxfam International
www.oxfam.com...
Oxfam International is a confederation of 12 organizations working together with over 3000 partners in more than 100 countries to find lasting solutions to poverty, suffering and injustice. Their page on Sudan (oxfam.org...) contains frequent reports on the crisis there.
For two years the Bush administration has made commendable efforts to improve the lives of people in Darfur. Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick has become personally invested in the crisis, recently completing his fourth trip to the region in the past seven months. The United States has spent almost $1 billion aiding refugees and displaced persons who might otherwise have died of disease or starvation. And the U.S. military has helped airlift and fund African Union troops stationed in the Darfur region of Sudan.
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In addition, several million civilians are trapped in camps that are becoming more, not less, vulnerable. Women living in camps for internally displaced persons have to walk ever farther to obtain the firewood they need to cook the food donated by the United States. This has increased the incidence of rape, a tool in the onslaught of the militias known as the janjaweed. Mounting banditry has caused the closure of vital road corridors and the evacuation of some international aid workers. As a result, humanitarian access is more limited than it has been at any point since April 2004, causing a spike in the number of Darfurians who are not receiving lifesaving aid.
The Bush administration has helped reduce suffering in Darfur, but the situation is dangerously adrift. And when the history of this tragedy is written, nobody will remember how many times officials visited the region or how much humanitarian aid was delivered. They will only remember the death toll.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that "genocide has been committed" in the Sudanese region of Darfur.
Powell cited a "consistent and widespread" pattern of atrocities -- including killings, rapes and burning of villages.
"This was a coordinated effort, not just random violence," he said.
Powell, who recently visited Sudan, was speaking to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
KHARTOUM, Sudan Apr 14, 2005 — The No. 2 State Department official expressed optimism Thursday that Sudan's leaders will try ending the ethnic violence in the country's Darfur region but said the United States wants more than promises.
Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick spoke after meeting at the presidential palace with Sudan's first vice president. He cited movement on the creation of a new unified government, reported efforts by African Union peacekeepers to lessen violence, and this year's peace accord ending the country's two-decade civil war.
The UN secretary-general has urged Security Council members to take immediate action over a US draft resolution on Sudan's Darfur region.
Kofi Annan said civilians were being attacked "even as we speak" despite Khartoum's pledge to stop the violence.
He was speaking as council members debated a new draft of the resolution.
The US says it would like a vote to be taken by Saturday, but some members, including China which has a veto, have opposed the threat of sanctions.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Those that have done the same to Christians and Jews in their home countries have no moral right to protest. Doing so simply equates to hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Agreed. But, wouldn't that be ironic if it happened in the US, seeing as the US was founded on religious freedom? I was just thinking about that scenario.
Originally posted by Muaddib
But do you think it is alright for certain beliefs to be accepted, when these beliefs are calling for the spreading of Islam by any way, and to incite violence to make this possible?
It is about high time Norway and Europe make the ideology Islam and the practice of this, illegal and punishable in the same way as Nazism,
Originally posted by Jamuhn
I know plenty of Muslims in the US who do incite hatred or violence, and I think it would be ridiculous to outlaw this religion in the US.
Anti-UAC Protesters at Ground Zero protesting the UAC's Rally Against Islamofascism
Feb 1st 2006 Rally Against Islamofascism Day - New York