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POLITICS: Norwegian Politician Compares Islam to Nazism and Call for It's Ban

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posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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Right wing politicians in Norway belonging to the Progress party, are calling for laws to outlaw Islam in Norway. Carl I.Hagen, the Progressive party leader, said "I can see no similarity with the concept of moral and justice found in Christianity". Their concerns are that Islam, which they see as an aggressive religion, will eventually take over Europe. Conservative Party leader Erna SDolberg criticized Hagen's remarks as extreme.
 


pub.tv2.no -
Central members of Kristiansand Progress party claims Hitler’s "Mein Kampf" and the Koran are one of the same, and they want Islam banned in Norway.

"We are not the only ones demanding this ban," said Halvor Hulaas, chairperson in Krstiansand Frp to the paper. "This is an opinion that is well established in Scandinavian countries. We are now importing people with a religion that is practiced in the same way it was practiced when it was established in year 600."

"It is about high time Norway and Europe make the ideology Islam and the practice of this, illegal and punishable in the same way as Nazism," Udnćs said. "The prophet Muhammad urged them to kill everyone infidel."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Although the views expressed by Carl I. Hagen seem extreme, research has shown that the extreme eventually becomes mainstream, or at least mainstream moves closer to the extreme (RYDGREN). Most Muslims would confirm that militant Islamic groups are extreme versions of their religion, but these groups of individuals do seem to be growing in number.

Mamoun Fandy, a columnist for the London based newspaper Asharq al-Awsat, recently traveled to several Muslim countries where he experienced first hand, the effects the Muslim press is having on younger Arabs, (khilafah.com) "In each country," he wrote, "I was struck that al-Qaida and its ideas are no longer perceived as extreme. Indeed, al-Qaida has become mainstream and being part of the movement is 'cool' in the eyes of young people."

So, now we are faced with what is seen as extreme views against Muslims. Will these views eventually catch on as more of a mainstream view? France is dealing with the same issue that Norway is. Although France puts on a public face that says "Islam is our friend", more than 50% of France's inmate population is Islamic. (Smith) The main fear is that new Islamic converts, who are more easily swayed by extreme groups, are more difficult to monitor since they are probably native-born citizens. Although it's not politically correct to say, the "War on Terror" is more of a war between Islam and Western idealism.

Additional Sources:
Norway Post
khilafah.com
"Is radical right-wing populism contagious? The role of diffusion processes in West European politics" RYDGREN, Jens; STOCKHOLMS University
"Converts to Islam seen as growing terror threat" Smith, Craig, The New York Times




posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 10:28 AM
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wow. thats extream.i do kinda agree with it though. but only kinda. like 30 agree 70 disagree. maybe all of europe will turn into france and start hating muslims. year right all of europe follows france thats funny.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 10:31 AM
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those comment are a little bit extreme

Comparing Nazism to Islam is totally wrong, disgusting and cruel. Islam is a peaceful religion with peaceful followers unlike National Socialism.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 10:37 AM
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well, for one thing, carl i. hagen is not the head of norway(even if he wants to be), and his views is not liked by "most" norwegians. several of todays politicans in norway is severly corrupt and does not display the views of the majority of the population. that being said, porn is outlawed in norway. and that i think is extreme too. norway is one of the most expensive country's to live in to day.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 11:03 AM
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dont know all, but for me, the patriots, homeland insecurity, executive orders, the MATRIX, are all feeling like nazism to me.....



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 11:35 AM
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Oh finally some one said it ... personaly i find islam worse much worse than nazism.

no nazi blows himself up in a crowded place or cut of heads with a big knife ..
they had the fashion to do it much quicker .. but it stays a lesser evil from both of them..

there is no bigger evil as the islam... ( like all religion I see it as a treat against humankinds survival on the long hurl.)



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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Carl is right on the money...

How the hell can she say he is being EXTREME??! It's true what he said!
Islam wants to be the dominant religion across the world and by accomplishing that they will use any force necessary as we've already seen, it's been going on for hundreds of years, Thomas Jefferson even battled with them on the north coast of Africa, they were barbaric then and they are barbaric now.

And they justified murder because Allah says it ok if people don't agree with their religion...

THis isn't new people, outlawing Islam religion from Norway is the best thing they could do for their country, it will keep it peaceful.

Now that Iraq is free why don't they go back there and practice their "peaceful" religion??? Because they want global world religion via torture rape murder genocide....by any means necessary... This isn't something new.

History has and will always repeat itself if people like Carl don't get their way because their viewed as being "extremists" yeah right, I think it's the other way around their woman... Damn pc people piss me off...



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 11:47 AM
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Most Muslims would confirm that militant Islamic groups are extreme versions of their religion, but these groups of individuals do seem to be growing in number.


The reason for this could quite possibly be the fact that to many, the war at hand more and more tends to seem like a war against Muslims. It's a fairly logical assumption that this would frighten and anger the non militant Islamic majority as well. In turn the views of these groups would tend to move closer to the more militant extremes. Thus the impression of the militant groups groing in numbers. It's turning into a self fulfilling profecy.



Although it's not politically correct to say, the "War on Terror" is more of a war between Islam and Western idealism.


Yes. This could very well be the outcome. A very frightening one at that. If anything in this resembles the Nazi movement in Germany it's the situation where a large group of people (i.e. muslims) are being looked upon as being the source of evil, much like the nazis condemned the jewish. In the worst case scenario, the current situation could turn into a breeding ground for genocide.

Edited to clarify.


[edit on 20-7-2004 by Durden]



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 12:40 PM
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The only failings a are:

Suicide bombers
- 72 virgins at death
- All the dates you can eat

Seperation of women from men
- Forget it dude, no matter how cute it is

All countries that have an aggressive Islamic population has the habit of killing people who don't agree.

That's pretty much it. Now there are a lot of good points but you have to get over a few bumps when traveling down a road first.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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Well…its about time someone has finally had the guts to stand up and say something about these muslims. I totally agree, if you ever want to see peace on earth we need to get rid of islam. It is NOT a peaceful religion, it is a terrorism cult. For anyone with half a brain, all you have to do is think back over the past 30 years. Who was responsible for all the highjackings, the hostages takings, the kidnappings, suicide bombings…etc…? I’ll give you a hint…it wasn’t the Buddhists…. And look at their countries…they aren’t peaceful, safe places to live, not that there are many, if any, countries that fit that description. But how many of you, if given the chance to take an exotic vacation, would pick an Islamic country? It is a world of intolerance to its most extreme degree and it must be stopped. There are so many gutless politically correct wimps that are so afraid of offending these people…I am happy to see someone finally denounce islam and with any luck..this will only be the beginning.

Now for those of you, who continue to fool yourselves thinking islam is peaceful, I encourage you to check out the link below….the site was created by an ex-muslim.

www.faithfreedom.org...

…Like they say…. Deny Ignorance…..learn for yourself.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 04:45 PM
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Boy, those guys are smart. One thing history shows us is, when an idea or a religion becomes unpopular, just ban it, and all of your problems go away.



EDIT: Spelling

[edit on 20-7-2004 by curme]



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 04:47 PM
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Not all countries in the Middle East are like that. Kuwait!!! I love Kuwait. When invaded by Iraq they whipped out their cell phones and called for help. They drove away in American made SUVs while talking to others on their American made computers and cell phones.(well, Japanese made maybe) Kuwait is awsome compared to the rest of the Islamic countries. of course, this may be due to the fact they are not die hard fanatics of Islam. They are more loose with the rules, like women aren't killed for speaking out of turn or for crying when they are beaten because they looked out a window. If I had to visit a country in the Middle East I would go to Kuwait. Of course, the rest are just nutjobs that need to be either blown off the planet or captured and controlled. How many Islamic people do you see in say, Iran or Syria saying they want peace on Earth, goodwill to all? None. Just, Lalalalalalalalalalalalaladeathtothejewsandwhiteamericandevillalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 04:57 PM
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Merely, raising the question, "Is Islam evil?" provokes an instant, inevitable outcry: "Bigot!" "Racist!" "Zionist!" in this PC world.

Typical knee-jerk questions are: "How can you call all Muslims evil?" "Have you ever met a Muslim?" "Don't you think Muslims have children, too?" Notice the switch from the religion to the demographic group.

Why is Islam exempt from critical analysis? In Western society, there is no shortage of critics of Christianity.

To get to the heart of Islam, start with its founder: Muhammad. Like Christianity, Islam's essence is tied to the nature of a central figure who gives the religion its distinctive soul. Muhammad's professional life as a religious leader can be divided into two, roughly equal periods. In the first, he preached tolerance while he struggled for acceptance in Mecca. But in the second period, after he rises to power in Medina, he became increasingly harsh, mean-spirited and warlike.

In Medina, he inaugurated his reign of terror by assassinating two critics who posed no physical threat: an elderly man and a poetess. Unaccustomed to the farm life of Medina, he tried his hand at raiding caravans traveling to and from Mecca. After several failed attempts he finally succeeded -- during the holy month. (As usual, he conveniently had a revelation to justify this breach of regional ethics.) Muhammad had found his calling: plunder.

The mere existence of the Jewish tribes in Medina threatened Muhammad’s authority. Muhammad packaged his religion as the completion and perfection of the monotheistic religions: Judaism and Christianity. His converts were Arabs; Jews refused to accept him as an authentic prophet of their religion. In a policy of ethnic cleansing, he banished two of the three Jewish tribes and slaughtered the third. Of the several dozen battles fought either by Muhammad or in his behalf, only one, the Battle of the Ditch, was defensive. Islam, however, classifies them all as defensive, virtually removing any meaning from the word. Muhammad had perfected his technique: slaughter.


Compare and contrast Muhammad's life to the life of Jesus. Is Jesus a violent warrior? His worst act of violence is overturning the tables of the money-changers in the Temple. In fact, in one part of the Gospels he appeared to be advocating pacifism. Although he is called "King of the Jews," he never ruled and gave no indication of ever wanting earthly rule. According to the followers who recorded his deeds and sayings, Jesus' career consisted of a few years as an itinerant preacher ending with his crucifixion. According to the Gospels, he didn’t rise to power but rose to heaven.



posted on Jul, 20 2004 @ 07:16 PM
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Time to brush up on Norwegian and move there. Could become one of the few outposts for the Anglo-Saxon/Scandanavian culture.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by fawlty
Time to brush up on Norwegian and move there. Could become one of the few outposts for the Anglo-Saxon/Scandanavian culture.


I've been thinking about that too......

They seem to have their # together...... Afterall that's where most of our roots are...



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 04:43 AM
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Shadow XIX,
Your post about Muhammad, is based on ignorance, and unproven historic documentation. I recommend to you to check out this website, and all the rest of the members, to learn about Islam.
www.pbs.org...



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 05:00 AM
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I think that the Christian Extreme RIGHT wing Politics have ALOT more Incommon with Nazis'm then other Religions. You can't compare a Religion with an Ideology. I mean, why hasn't this News been Out yet? How come we find this out, at the time when War on Terrorism equals War on Islam? How come we did not hear Stories such as this in the time of Cold War? Were Communists proclaimed to be Nazis at that time?

So, why all this Namecalling? Is mister Hagen from the so-called Progresive Party afraid of something - is he hiding something, so he has to walk around pointing fingers? I guess it is just Fashionable Today to Bash Muslims and Islamic Religion and compare them to Nazis, equal their Holy Book to Mein Kampf, even if they do not share ANY similarities, and Stirr Racial and Religious Hatred among People. Is this what it's all about in this times? To Raise the Impatience and Intolerance? Is this what the Global Elite is Trying to do? To Demonize the ENTIRE Muslim Society, so that their Plans to Globalize the Civilized West would run more Smoothly?

How quickly People forget what GOOD in the name of their GOD, the Christianity has done. People quickly forget how in the name of GOD, People were Burned for beliving something, people quickly forget how Women were SYSTEMATICLY put to the Back and ignored from the places of Power, people quickly forget how they in the name of their GOD Colonized the New Promies Land called America, and how they in the name of their GOD, slaughtered Millions of Indians, and scrapped every Golden stone and sent it back to the Civilized Europe. People quickly Forget how have they in the name of their GOD, colonized Africa, exported Slaves as a Cargo of Tea or Spices, how have they in the name of their GOD, colonized Middle East, and the Asia. How quickly they forget those who have in the name of their GOD burne Heretics in Holy Fires of the Underground dungeons during the Inquisitions. That ofcourse is Forgotten and swept under the Rug of History, which is ofcourse written by the Victorious.

So, why are these People IGNORING History? Maybe they really Want it to be repeated on and on and on and on again. Maybe their Goal is NOT for us to Learn on this Chapters of Human History. Maybe their Goals are far more Sinister and far more Evil then they appear to be.



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
So, why are these People IGNORING History? Maybe they really Want it to be repeated on and on and on and on again. Maybe their Goal is NOT for us to Learn on this Chapters of Human History. Maybe their Goals are far more Sinister and far more Evil then they appear to be.


I don't think they're ignoring history.
I think they're aware of history and how the muslims conqured parts of Europe in the past.

I think they've seen how muslims have colonized the Middle East, Asia and Africa and now they see the muslims colonizing Europe and they want to put a stop to it.

There's nothing wrong with that.

The muslims can move to one of the dozens of other countries they've already conquered and practice their religion there.

[edit on 27-1-2006 by AceOfBase]



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
I don't think they're ignoring history.
I think they're aware of history and how the muslims conqured parts of Europe in the past.

I think they've seen how muslims have colonized the Middle East, Asia and Africa and now they see the muslims colonizing Europe and they want to put a stop to it.

There's nothing wrong with that.

The muslims can move to one of the dozens of other countries they've already conquered and practice their religion there.

Aha ofcourse. And the Fact that the Christianity along with their EMPIRES have Conquered almos the entire WORLD, does not bother you I guess. The Fact that Christianity commited a Genocide upon Native Indian Population in Americas does not Bother you. The FACT that Christianity Commited GENOCIDE upon Native Australian Population does not bother You. From what I have seen, there are Numerous Catholic Empires that really Ruled this World for Centuries, not just Europe, and Middle East or Asia as you say. How many Muslims have Conquered America or Australia for that Matter?

If the Muslims can move to one of the dozens of other countries they've already conquered and practice their religion there, why don't the Catholics do the Same - and LEAVE America, which they Forcefully Colonized, and LEAVE Australia also? And while they are Leaving, they can LEAVE also the Middle East, for their Presence is not helping to Increase the PEACE.



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