It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

European Leaders Don't Rule Out Armed Intervention in Libyan Conflict

page: 1
5

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 08:55 AM
link   

European Leaders Don't Rule Out Armed Intervention in Libyan Conflict


www.nytimes.com

European leaders on Friday agreed to examine “all necessary options” — including armed intervention — to protect civilians should the Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, escalate attacks on rebel-held territories.


Still, Friday’s statement called on Colonel Qaddafi to quit, did not rule out military intervention by Europeans, and reiterated suggestions from American and European diplomats that such a move would require a clear legal basis, regional support and a clear motive.

(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 08:55 AM
link   
Looks like the Media disinformation campaign agaisnt Qaddafi worked like a charm once again and once again people here easily fall for such obvious tricks such like an uprising.



If there will be Armed Intervention in Libya you can beat the russians will be joining but they wont support NATO, in fact they will support Qaddafi.

Thus we will have ourselves a real world war, and why a world war? just look where the americans forces are and you will get the picture.

So now the question is why Libya is it because of democracy? nope the protests never were about democracy it was about the oil along on.



www.nytimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
edit on 12-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 09:50 AM
link   
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
 


IMO Seems like they are trying to build support at the moment. The news agencies keep showing candid videos of people getting cut down with bullets, dead on the street and then they publicize inaction. Looks like they are garnering support, to the point where people in the West will actually ask for their governments to 'help'.

Very well planned out I think. Lesson from Iraq = learned. Don't make the same mistakes twice. [as in, don't go in until you make sure everyone is on your side]

Actual lesson learned = 0
edit on 12-3-2011 by boncho because: +info



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:09 AM
link   
Seems like the Gaddafi lovers and the self centred are bursting at the seams with anger over actual footages of our fellow libyan brothers and sisters who only seek for better treatment but are instead being tortured and murdered by the beasts and his minions.

Such inhuman anger are well played out here on ATS, for both sides have the freedom to express themselves. Just too bad Gaddafi will never allow such freedom and will only allow pyschophants to the Libyan regime to talk freely.

Guess mankind aint that stupid after all, unlike some but they have agendas of their own instead of the truth and realities..



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:26 AM
link   

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Looks like the Media disinformation campaign agaisnt Qaddafi worked like a charm once again and once again people here easily fall for such obvious tricks such like an uprising.






If there will be Armed Intervention in Libya you can beat the russians will be joining but they wont support NATO, in fact they will support Qaddafi.


What can they do?
Nuke Europe?
They certainly wont attack the EU because that's their main source of revenue.

Oh yeah...

That could be why they are so apposed to a European intervention. Imagine if the EU were able to obtain a cheaper more reliable source of fuel instead of having to rely on Mother Russia? Russia stands to lose Revenue if Libya or Iran for that matter changed Governments. Russia would stand to lose huge. That is why they are apposed to any interventions on either. They are not just a bunch of warm and fuzzy guys. You're right it's all about the fuel...



Thus we will have ourselves a real world war, and why a world war? just look where the americans forces are and you will get the picture.


All over the Globe. There wont be any World War over Libya.


So now the question is why Libya is it because of democracy? nope the protests never were about democracy it was about the oil along on.


Yup people were just gunned down over only oil

The fact that Qaddafi is a ruthless egomaniac self delusional dictator has nothing to do with their anger? Come on, There is no doubt in my mind the West is salivating about the possible resource grab. [That's a given] However to say that's the sole reason is naive and simply dangerous IMHO.

edit on 12-3-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:28 AM
link   

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Seems like the Gaddafi lovers and the self centred are bursting at the seams with anger over actual footages of our fellow libyan brothers and sisters who only seek for better treatment but are instead being tortured and murdered by the beasts and his minions.

Such inhuman anger are well played out here on ATS, for both sides have the freedom to express themselves. Just too bad Gaddafi will never allow such freedom and will only allow pyschophants to the Libyan regime to talk freely.

Guess mankind aint that stupid after all, unlike some but they have agendas of their own instead of the truth and realities..



Excuse me but are you trying to say that you and ATS here supports america imperialism agenda, ATS doesn't take any sides




are bursting at the seams with anger over actual footages of our fellow libyan brothers and sisters who only seek for better treatment but are instead being tortured and murdered by the beasts and his minions.


Wow are you saying they are our brothers and sisters because they are uprising? excuse me sir but this uprising is fabricated one created by the united states.

Remember 1989 in eastern eupore? what good did an uprising do to Romania? it didn't do anything it only brought them poverty and the sex slaves industry.




better treatment but are instead being tortured and murdered by the beasts and his minions


You have been watching to much of the western news, which is what the western news media wants, they want your same opinion thus when the time is right they will go with Intervention.

Meaning they want the public's support for an Intervention

And sir this whole uprising has been about OIL and minerals.

Not democracy.


If you are really a seeker of truth, why dont you look and seek for the truth rather then the lies been played in the media?
edit on 12-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

edit on 12-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

edit on 12-3-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:34 AM
link   
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
 


I don't think anyone is supporting Ghadaffi or advocating what is happening to the people in that country. How this is played out by the media and Nato can only be determined in the long run. If this were about preventing civilian deaths the UN could have made a precedent years ago where a select group of country would protect any civilians from being killed by their regimes. However, most conflicts are left alone completely.

There are genocides in Africa that don't even get media attention. So please forgive people for wondering what the alternative agenda is. You know damn well that if Saudi Arabia was slaughtering it's people that Nato would have boo to say about it.

It's just a big game of chess.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:43 AM
link   
reply to post by boncho
 


By all means, you are free to worry about phantoms, ghosts, swamp gas, balloons or anything else you wish to conjure up. It's your right and freedom, to worry and die a thousand times daily.

But the reality of Libya is right in front of your eyes and happening now.

They and you may have several differences, but at the basic level, you and them laugh, cry and aspire the same.

And it is your freedom to act or don't act. But just know that what goes around, often comes around. Today, you may have full creature comforts to bother about others, but everyone can testify that the only constant in life is change.

One day when your circumstances changed, may you be face with mercy and compassion by others that you don't have it in you, blinded by your deluded magician conjurer's trickes of the alternative whatnots.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:18 AM
link   
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
 





They and you may have several differences, but at the basic level, you and them laugh, cry and aspire the same


Please quote me where I said Libyan people are not human beings.



And it is your freedom to act or don't act. But just know that what goes around, often comes around. Today, you may have full creature comforts to bother about others, but everyone can testify that the only constant in life is change.


I'm not in a position to 'act', only to analyse. I analyse the people that make decisions that actually are affecting their lives.



One day when your circumstances changed, may you be face with mercy and compassion by others that you don't have it in you, blinded by your deluded magician conjurer's trickes of the alternative whatnots.


???

I claimed I am a magician? When exactly was I merciless?



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 12:23 PM
link   
The only conspiracy is what is taking the UN and EU so frickin long to decide to do what the Libyans on the ground are asking for and impose a no fly zone??

They don't have to invade and take over, just provide the help that the rebels want - no more, no less. To not act in this situation and pontificate over presumptions while people are being mowed down in the streets by gunships and bombed by aircraft is unconscionable.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:35 PM
link   
Uh oh, looks like Qaddafi Duck is the next target to be taken down by the world machine in their path of dominance over us all. He's not doing anything wrong at all, he's just a wrench in the cogs of the Evil League of Nations' war machine. Qaddafi Duck stands no chance of survival! He'll be put down and snuffed out unjustly! Someone must stop this!


Heh, as long as I'm not sent over there, I could care less anymore. I just don't see any reason the "Evil League of Nations" would want to control that area. Or the middle east for that matter. Oil? Drugs? You can get all that elsewhere....easier.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:44 PM
link   
That's alot of man power and capital to throw behind 20 rebels , but we should protect minorities .After what has happenened in Japan how can they be discussing this so soon ? Bisuness as usual I guess .



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 04:31 PM
link   
All this talk of foreign intervention to solve Libya's dictator problem? There is more to it than that, or democracy for that matter. Democracy be whom? A corporate boardroom, or a hedge fund in the US or Western Europe. If Qaddafi had not ventured so far off the reservation, any improprieties to his own people would have been conveniently overlooked by the Western powers. Now, this little uprising is throwing the oil markets and other commodities into chaos, and everyone is quick to jump on the foreign intervention band wagon.

As some have said if people are talking of intervention, where was the response in Dafur or Rwanda for that matter? The only reason I believe there was involvement in the Balkans some years ago was a Western show of force to the re-emergence of Russia, and to prevent a spill over of hostilities in Western Europe. Now, lets talk about this so-called "Armed Intervention," by European Leaders. Armed intervention by whom? Will Germany, France, Spain, Italy, and other nations endure the brunt of this action? Or will the US with its armaments and manpower be relied upon for this latest foray into foreign meddling at the tip of a sword? If things turn out good, the other nations will be more than happy to plant their flags, but if it turns out sour as these things tend to do; it will be back to US blame game. The US loses more credibility and respect on the world stage, as they lose nothing.

To cut a long story short, I have my reservations about decisions being made regarding the crisis in Libya. Personally, the Libyans ought to be left to their own devices to win the day in this latest round of unrest to befall another Muslim nation. On another note, the US and the UK ought to stay out of this one, and lets see how the EU in all of its benevolence handles this affair on its own. That is how I would like to see it, but that will not happen considering the US/UK obligations to NATO.
edit on 12-3-2011 by Jakes51 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 04:42 PM
link   

Originally posted by Jakes51
Armed intervention by whom? Will Germany, France, Spain, Italy, and other nations endure the brunt of this action? Or will the US with its armaments and manpower be relied upon for this latest foray into foreign meddling at the tip of a sword?


It's actually France leading the charge on this one, with the UK flying wingman (as we seem prone to do). The US is hesitant and I would imagine the bulk of the aircraft would be provided by France and the UK, with others throwing in their share. Of course, there will most probably be a sizeable American presence too, because if the UK and France get their UN greenlight, then at least the US can say it was legal.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 04:53 PM
link   

Originally posted by wayno
The only conspiracy is what is taking the UN and EU so frickin long to decide to do what the Libyans on the ground are asking for and impose a no fly zone??

i think the biggest obstacle is truthful intelligence.
It is still being determined just whose side the rebels
fight for and just who instigated and fueled the uprising.
While many think the CIA/MI6/Mossad may have been
responsible, there is still that thorn in the side that this
could have been an Iranian Covert Op. If it was Iranian
in nature and the rebels are truly fighting for an Iranian
style regime in Libya, why should the US or NATO
help the Iranians in their Libyan Coup??? Just not enough
truthful answers at the moment to make a determination.
And intelligence seems to be getting nowhere, not to mention
the British SAS went in to help the rebels and were taken
prisoners. People who really want democracy and outside
help to ouster Gadhaffi would not lock up it's allies who
come to help. Not everything in Libya is as it appears
to be.

Ironic, cuz that is the CIA's motto.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 05:06 PM
link   
Sighhh!!! this is getting tiresome

i've been sharing the following links on all the Libya related threads 'cause a lot of people have been drinking the kool-aid on this one

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi www.abovetopsecret.com...


Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded
, later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache


Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.


Benghazi's importance to Libya and possibly the World:
also explains why Qaddafi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"


While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”


after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?

Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi? www.abovetopsecret.com...


Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue www.abovetopsecret.com...

Libya False Flag -part 1: Reuters Hoax EXPOSED www.abovetopsecret.com...
truthfrequencynews.com...
World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya Into Chaos www.informationclearinghouse.info...


How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment. Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food. People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands. How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell. Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father. The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Videos of Pro-Gaddafi protests are disappearing from Youtube as we speak. "Pro Gaddafi Anti Baghdadi Mahmudi demonstrations in" youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5fLGNg0sk is gone. "Pro Gaddafi protests in front of Libyan embassy London" youtube.com/watch?v=pRwv0Ac8qbc Is gone. Youtube deletes any video containing gore normally, except when it's from Libya. Apparently more traumatizing to it's viewers than chopped up bodies are Libyans who do not jump on the bandwagon and enter the streets to force Gadaffi out.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 05:43 PM
link   
reply to post by wayno
 





They don't have to invade and take over, just provide the help that the rebels want - no more, no less. To not act in this situation and pontificate over presumptions while people are being mowed down in the streets by gunships and bombed by aircraft is unconscionable.

(spec.)
Yes, but if they keep procrastinating do you not think they will have support if they go for an invasion? Won't people be so upset that they will support it? Everyday people get more and more agitated everyday, by the end of it they will be asking for an invasion.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 09:38 AM
link   
I do not doubt that various agencies of governments all over the place would want to take part in inciting riots for various nefarious reasons. On the other hand you cannot strike a match and light a fire without kindling. Nobody could incite the kind of rioting we've seen in Libya and the other N. African nations if there weren't sufficient discontent to start with. Who knows who helped this along, but there is no way this could have been fabricated out of thin air in the midst of a happy and contented populace.

Libya surely has a different story to tell than the others, but the brutality of the forces against what are essentially civilians reveals that it is far from the enlightened utopia some are making it out to be.



new topics

top topics



 
5

log in

join