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A most amazing coincidence. Israel, Divinely ordained?

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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:12 AM
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According to biblical chronology, we are in the 5771 year since the creation of "Adam".

In the year 1948 (biblical time), Abraham, the founder of the people of Israel, and of ethical monotheism was born.

Rabbinic writings as far back as the Jerusalem Talmud (200 CE) reckon his birth as this year (the calculations indicate this).

Now AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, in the secular yearm, 1948, the state of Israel came into being. Either this is a ridiculously implausible coincidence, or a synchronism that suggests something very special about this event.

Remember, when Abram, then a pagan. (It wasnt until he was 75 that G-d commanded him "go forth from here" ie; from your secular paganism) was told by G-d to gorth from Ur Casdim, he was still living under a pagan government. He certainly didnt like it, but he stayed. Not until a GENERATION later (a generation is reckoned by the bible as 70 years) did Abraham leave.

The state of Israel was founded in 1948. Its first 62 years have been defined by a humanistic secularism. Exactly that which Abram sought to escape when G-d commanded him to leave Ur Casdim.

In recent years, the orthodox population of Israel has grown enormously to the point that 70% of Israeli 2nd graders are Haredi (orthodox Jews). Orthodox Jews are known to have atleast 7 to 15+ children. They have certainly bolstered their numbers and presence and have increasingly become a force to be reckoned with in Israeli politics. The "settlers" often depicted as militants by the western and israeli media, are infact peace loving 16-21 year old religious Israelis seeking to settle the lands of biblical Judea and Samaria (aka west bank).

In addition to this, more and more american Jews, Israeli Jews and a large number of gentiles are "converting" to the traditional Hebraic tradtion, which lost its appeal thanks to the illusions of the 'enlightenment' or haskalah, as it was called in Hebrew.

So, I think were seeing somethintg very incredible here. In the next decade, this very large Haredi population is only going to get bigger. By the 75th year, atleast, of the Jewish states existence, we might expect to see the people of Israel, the Jews, return to their ancestral faith. And it could be around this time that Moshiach Ben David, the king which will lead all G-d fearing people back to the path of truth (that is, ethical monotheism, through the 7 laws of Noach) will arrive.




posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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or just a bunch of morons regurgitating into eachothers mouths for thousands of years... murdering the unbelievers, and finally taking it upon themselves to fullfill prophecy instead of realizing the emperor has no clothes.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Youre describing the history of Catholics and Muslims.

Anyways, thanks for paying attention to the point.

Abraham born in 1948, biblical time, the state of Israel coming into existence in 1948, secular time. Concidence?

Id like to see the mathematical probability of this happening 'by chance'



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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Yes, it is a "coincendence" that Jews decided to blow up hotels in the name of terrori -- er -- Zionism, and killed thousands of innocent civilians while uprooting hundreds of thousands in the same Christian year as the biblical year...

Do you really think God would support such actions to make his "plan work out"? If you do, you actually qualify as a terrorist supporter and maybe benefactor yourself...

And if it *was* God's devine plan, then whey did he need terrorists with guns and bombs to do his work for him? I thought he was all powerful. Or was it just a test for these good God-fearing people to see if they were faithful enough to kill in his name...

To the point: The OP is acting like Israel just fell out of the sky for the Jews and it was an act of God, as if it were a lunar eclipse or something. In reality Jews took their own ambition to wage a bloody warfare to conquer their territory. It wasn't just some random event that happened one day.. Or are you saying that the Jews don't have "free will" and were instead robots for God, as if they were angels... (angels of death in this case).
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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You either don't know the history or you choose to ignore it:
During World War I, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour issued what became known as the Balfour Declaration, which "viewed with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". At the request of Edwin Samuel Montagu and Lord Curzon, a line was also inserted stating "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"

The rise of Nazism in the 1930s led to an influx of a quarter of a million Jews. This caused the Arab revolt of 1936–1939 and led the British to cap immigration with the White Paper of 1939. With countries around the world turning away Jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust, a clandestine movement known as Aliyah Bet was organized to bring Jews to Palestine. By the end of World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine had increased to 33% of the total population.

In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.

The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states—one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city—a corpus separatum—administered by the UN.

The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.

On May 14, 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq—attacked Israel, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;Saudi Arabia sent a military contingent to operate under Egyptian command; Yemen declared war but did not take military action.( As a side note Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq lost - Badly)

These mostly Islamic countries have as their stated goal the total annihilation of the Israeli state.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 03:43 AM
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If you're using the calendar that is based upon the year of the birth of Christ then you're indirectly saying Christianity was the spiritual successor to Judaism.
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
If you're using the calendar that is based upon the year of the birth of Christ then you're indirectly saying Christianity was the spiritual successor to Judaism.
edit on 12-3-2011 by 547000 because: (no reason given)


Christianity, although manytimes misguided, is the spiritual successor to Judaism.
Judaism was supposed to take the worship of JHVH to the world, instead they kept it to themselves, or tried to at any rate.

On topic I find nothing wrong with the OP's math, but then I'm not a mathematician.
And I don't believe in coincidence. JHVH always works through natural laws and/or people(and might I add - not always believers)
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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I see your Ben David and raise you 1 Ben Joesepth .



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
If you're using the calendar that is based upon the year of the birth of Christ then you're indirectly saying Christianity was the spiritual successor to Judaism.
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Yep. Sure seems like an obvious weakness in the OP's assertion.

Of course, when you're in a position of power, you can make all sorts of "coincidences" come about (intentionally). Just take a look at 9/11. A lot of "coincidences", and yet, this is by all appearances the game they play. It's probably something of a "sport" to TPTB to indulge in this kind of thing.

The people in power use religion, and they use religious people. They know what Jews want, and Christians, and Muslims want. And, they have no problem feeding them what they want, as long as they can get some mileage out of it.

Need a "savior"? No problem! How about the Mahdi? Yep, got one of those too lurking out there somewhere. Need a ben David perhaps? Sure! And as many Christians believe, there will be a second coming of Christ.

SO, let's put it all together. Obviously, religious people of all the major denominations are well "set-up" for some new great personage on the world stage.

How convenient!

Except that, whoever this wonderful, charismatic, all-inclusive god-like man will be, no doubt he's going to be more of an "antichrist" when all's said and done.

And our master's plans just advance further in the process, as we all march to their New World Plantation.

Oh yeah, and who do you think will be leading the way, piping a tune? Well, I wouldn't exactly rule out the Jews just yet!

JR



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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The Jews rejected their Messiah and Israel is a creation of Man, not God. Israel and the Jews will not have peace until they renounce the idea of being a "chosen" people and accept the whole world as family. This would be accepting the teachings of Christ, their messiah.

ATS Link: Christ is the Messiah

This isn't a slight against the Jews for they are part of the Brotherhood of Man. This is merely a condemnation of any race of people who think they are some how more chosen by God than any others. It is weak theologically to think this way. If God is Omnipresent, this means he is everywhere and within each and everyone of us. Thus, we are all God's children and should love one another as such.

Anything less, can never be the greater.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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All things considered recent history appears to be following prophecy. Best guess is that the day of Jezreel starts by 2028.

One problem though. It appears that the prophesies of Daniel may be talking about the next 20 years as well.

Watching the beginning of the end of the years. And I'll raise you all by a branch.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Ignore the trolls.

Haters gonna hate.

I am a Messianic, and I find what you say very interesting.

Can you please provide a link or something that says Abraham was born in 1948 (real time)?

It all gets real interesting when you tie the feast days, the signs in the skies, the signs of the times, and the other prophecies together.
edit on 3/12/2011 by Lemon.Fresh because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Well, Christianity provided the seed that gave birth to secular humanism.

When looked at in this way, christianity isnt 'a continuation' of Judaism, because actually Judaism and Christianity have surprisingly very little in common. Its antinomian beginnings were designed to produce a humanity that had "cast off" the "evil" Old testament G-d.

So infact Biblical time (The Hebrew Calendar) represents Divine time, from Adams birth. Whereas secular time, the time reckoned by the Roman Church, represents time from the Human perspective.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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That may have been the original agenda of Yeshuas mission to the world. To present, or moreso, reintroduce the worship of the one G-d to the non-Jewish nations.

It took only a few generations (the coming of the gnostic paul) for that spiritual agenda to go horribly wrong.

In anycase, Christianity has accomplished its world historical purpose. Christians - 1/3rd of the world, know of the G-d of Israel.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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In my studies, I have found that Paul actually teaches the Tanakh. It was the Universal church and its offshoots that perverted the message.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Found these references that would support your post.
www.jewishamerica.com...
www.jewishamerica.com...

This one puts the Birth of Abraham at or around 1955 B.C.
www.bible.ca...


Exodus 12:40 it is reported that the Israelites dwelt for 430 years in Egypt.
Let us parenthetically refer briefly to the textual variation in Exodus 12:40. Depending on whether one follows the reading of the Hebrew text (MT) for this verse ("the sons of Israel lived in Egypt 430 years") or the Greek (LXX) translation ("the sojournings of the sons of Israel in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan was 430 years"), an early or late chronology for the birth of Abraham can be determined. If one follows the Greek version, then one figures usually 215 years in Egypt and 215 years of Israel in Canaan. In other words, the Egyptian period is only 215 years long, whereas in the MT it is 430 years long. According to the Hebrew text Abraham's birth is 215 years earlier. If one takes the 430 years of an Egyptian sojourn of the MT and adds them to the year 1450 B.C. for the Exodus, one arrives at a date of ca. 1880 B.C. for the descent into Egypt. Then, by adding Jacob's age at the entry into Egypt (130 years, Genesis 47:9), Isaac's age at Jacob's birth (60 years, Genesis 25:26) and Abraham's age at Isaac's birth (100 years, Genesis 21:5), the year of ca. 2170 B.C. is reached for the date of Abraham's birth. If one follows the Septuagint (LXX) reading of Exodus 12:40, one will arrive at a later time for Abraham's birth, because the Egyptian sojourn according to this text is 215 years shorter. Thus this shorter reckoning would lead to the birth of Abraham at ca. 1955 B.C. Without allowing for the co-regency of Solomon with David (1 Kings 6:1) one can arrive at the birth of Abraham at ca. 1950 (Horn 1960, p. 8).



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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Ignore the trolls.

Haters gonna hate.

I am a Messianic, and I find what you say very interesting.

Can you please provide a link or something that says Abraham was born in 1948 (real time)?

It all gets real interesting when you tie the feast days, the signs in the skies, the signs of the times, and the other prophecies together.
edit on 3/12/2011 by Lemon.Fresh because: (no reason given)


For a very interesting read, try comparing the Book of Daniel to the Book of Revelations
Many Predictions parallel each other.

I am a Lutheran Christian who is seriously considering converting to Messianic Judaism, not sure how to go about it though.
My reasoning is simple, the Christian Churches have inherited lies from the Catholic Church, for instance: Sabbath Day = Saturday: The Bible tells us clearly in Daniel that a persecuting power would change God’s laws which it did – the Seventh Day Sabbath became the first day sabbath without God’s approval.

Sunday?
In Christianity, the day of the week devoted to rest and worship is Sunday, or the "Lord's Day."

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

Easter = Babylonian fertility ceremony consisting of child sacrifice and the dying of eggs in the blood of the sacrificed children. Roman aphrodite, symbol the lilly.

Christmas = Babylonian festival of lights celebrating the birth of Tamuz (Roman Mythra, Egyptian Ra, Norse Zues - all Sun Gods) consisting of the sacrifice of children. Bringing within the home of a yule log or tree representing a phalic symbol and decorating it with silver and gold balls representing the scrotum. Fertility Celebrations.
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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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Well, Christianity provided the seed that gave birth to secular humanism.

When looked at in this way, christianity isnt 'a continuation' of Judaism, because actually Judaism and Christianity have surprisingly very little in common. Its antinomian beginnings were designed to produce a humanity that had "cast off" the "evil" Old testament G-d.

So infact Biblical time (The Hebrew Calendar) represents Divine time, from Adams birth. Whereas secular time, the time reckoned by the Roman Church, represents time from the Human perspective.

en.wikipedia.org...


respectfully disagree. Christians use the 'Old Testament' and consider it Word of God. Most members of the early church were Jewish converts.
social scientists/historians refer to the 'Judeo-Christian' philosophy.

here's another time factoid. most scholars using Bible timeline date creation to about 6,000 years ago.
if G-d goes by the original calender, there are six days of labor, and one of rest. in prophetic terms this would be the 'Millenial Reign', 1,000 years of a peaceful world with Jerusalem as the capital. which suggests that that 7th day is...real soon.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by works4dhs
which suggests that that 7th day is...real soon.

How soon? Next year? Next month?
How do people exactly determine what biblical year this year?



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Converting a certain number of biblical years to our year-unit would imply multiplying by 360 and dividing by 365.24219879 (the length of our current solar calendar year).


www.nathan.co.za...


Originally posted by works4dhs
which suggests that that 7th day is...real soon.


I would tend to agree, also anyone anticipating a rapture may be unpleasantly supprised.







 
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