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New Treaty Would Ban Space Weapons for Earthlings and ETs

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posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 01:11 AM
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You are basing your assumptions on the premise that knowledge of "them" is currently
unknown. I do not share that same belief....




posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Actually I'll clarify, my assumption is TBTB thought of all what we think about and talk about, a very long time ago. And the odds of some protocol previously established is highly likely, so yes it would be for the unknown, because the Universe is infinite. Setting up weapons to fend off Grey aliens is totally different. I share the opinion this Treaty is more Ufology entertainment...

If this Treaty is true by the way, that implies we've already been battling out with Aliens and these are the "whistleblowers", and that scenario seems highly unlikely.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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So you think that former Navy intelligence Cmdr. Scott Jones; retired Navy Capt. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo astronaut and founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences; retired Navy Cmdr. Will Miller; and retired Boeing aerospace executive Abe Krieger and Carol Rosin, all of whom are involved in this, are ALL proposing this treaty for ufology entertainment?

And with reference to Rosin: "Carol Rosin, an award-winning educator, author, and space and missile defense consultant was the first woman Corporate Manager of an aerospace company, Fairchild Industries, where, among her other responsibilities, she was a spokesperson for "the father of rocketry," Dr. Wernher von Braun who revealed information to her about conspiracies to keep the existence of ETs secret. She has testified before both the US House and Senate, and has traveled worldwide to consult with companies, organizations, governments, the intelligence community, candidates, leaders and grass roots."
(from the youtube.com description)







edit on 3/12/2011 by manta78 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by manta78
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Maybe a little clarification is needed from the terms of this new proposed treaty: (partial summary only; go to the link in the OP for the full treaty contents)

"1.The term “space” and “outer space” is defined as the space extending above the earth at an altitude of 100 kilometers above sea level. Weapons banned by this Treaty are considered to be space-based if they are located at or above 100 kilometers above sea level.
2. Space-based weapons are defined as being anything that is based in space that can be used to damage or destroy objects or beings in space or on Earth from a location based in space.
3. This Treaty bans all space-based weapons, including the dual-use of any space-based object or technology when it is located in space with the intention to be used as a weapon that could damage or destroy any object or being on Earth or in space.
4. Weapons launched from the Earth that travel through space but are not based in space are not banned by this Treaty.
5. The terms space-based weapon and space-based weapons systems are defined for the purpose of this Treaty in order to identify weapons, devices, or systems that are based in any space location for the purpose of damaging or destroying, from space, any object or being that is located in space or on Earth.
6. This Treaty prohibits:
(a) Firing one or more weapons based in space that would be intended to collide with any object or being in space.
(b) Detonating any explosive device based in space in close proximity to any object or being in space.
(c) Directing any space-based source of energy offensively against any object or being in space or on Earth.
(d) Basing controls or systems of any space-based weapons that are or could be intended to collide with or inflict damage upon objects or beings in any location in space including on the moon, any celestial body, on a satellite, craft, station, or on any Off Planet Visitor craft.


ARTICLE V

1. The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs shall be responsible to coordinate the first meetings between members of Cosmic Cultures with units of the United Nations and representatives of Signatory Nation States and Indigenous First Nations.
2. A permanent Cosmic Culture Liaison will be available to the United Nations Security Council to answer questions and to provide counsel on issues of security and development of Earth.
3. The Cosmic Culture Liaison will assist in identifying and neutralizing any attempt to deploy or use any space-based weapon.


ARTICLE VI

1. The provisions of this Treaty that ban all space-based weapons shall apply to all Nation States, whether or not they are Signatories to this Treaty.
2. This Treaty shall enter into force upon the signing and ratification of the first nine (9) Nation State Signatories.


ARTICLE VII

1. This Treaty shall be open to all Nation States for signature. Any State that does not sign this Treaty before its entry into force may accede to it at any future time.
2. This Treaty shall be subject to ratification by Signatory Nation States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary General of the United Nations.
3. This Treaty shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by nine (9) Governments. For any Nation State whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited subsequent to the entry into force of this Treaty, their ratification shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.
4. The Depositary Governments shall promptly inform all Signatory and acceding Nation States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification of and accession to this Treaty, and the date of its entry into force and other notices.
5. This Treaty shall be registered by the Depositary Governments pursuant to Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.
6. This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.


ARTICLE VIII

1. Any Nation State Signatory to the Treaty may propose amendments to this Treaty.
2. Amendments to the Treaty shall enter into force upon acceptance by a majority vote of the Nation State Signatories.
3. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the United Nations Depositary who shall promptly notify all Nation State Signatories.


ARTICLE IX

This Treaty, of which the English, Arabic, Russian, French, Spanish and Chinese texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Depositary Governments. Certified copies of this Treaty shall be transmitted by the Depositary Governments to the Governments of the Signatory and the acceding Nation States.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF the undersigned, duly authorized by their respective governments, has
Signed this Treaty_______________________________________________
At the location of _______________________________________________
On this date of _________________________________________________.



______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Points of Clarification
Outer Space Security and Development Treaty of 2011

1. This Treaty does not ban weapons located on earth.

2. This Treaty bans the “weaponization” of space. The “militarization” of space, which has occurred, requires a new definition for the purposes of this Treaty. Militaries already provide enhanced intelligence and communication, observation and data sharing, and can help to pave a safe way for humans to enter into the universes and for members of Cosmic Cultures to enter the Earth sphere safely.

3. The strategy of this Treaty incorporates the reality that humans have evolved into a condition of much higher consciousness than that of the past, and that we will be working with Cosmic Cultures whose situation and willingness to cooperate with Earth cultures is based upon that higher consciousness. The Signatories of this Treaty acknowledge this viewpoint because it is necessary to work within the context of the highest truth in our time, and because this is the only approach that will garner the support needed to enact this Treaty."









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That is all and very well, ...as mere words. the existing space treaty would pretty well cover, if generally, those same points I'm sure. As for the existing treaty, my argument is based on a special book I possess. It is entitled "Military Space Forces: The Next 50 years," by John M. Collins and commissioned by the US Congress for their members in 1989. It is "Dedicated to America's Military Space Forces whose purpose is to protect this country's interests from aggression from or in space."

It tells exactly what the US Space Patrol (my word) is duty bound to do in the next few decades. Basically, it is to protect our sovereignty from all threats out to and including the Moon. It does not mince words. The space treaty of 1967 discussed basically everything off the surface of Earth, space, the Moon, and other celestrial bodies. It was given about half a page of mention in the text but must be considered a joke in comparison of the balance of the book which is about defense.

If you were to tell me that the US--my country--is totally serious about a new treaty with teeth about the non-militiaryization of space, I would have no choice but believe that the aliens have told us this must be so. No other reason could explain our giving away the advantage we now have in that domain.



posted on Mar, 12 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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the part of the story they don't tell is that the US was friends with aliens in the 60s and 70s, things gots shady during the 80s and 90s and the aliens got kicked out. The aliens went to South America, some have claimed they were at South America before they setup operations on the US.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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Treaty? Really? Oh dear... so what do we do with all the weapons we already have up there? And the Secret Astronaut corps?

Well the problem is that NO ONE has jurisdiction above Earth. There are no borders. California once tried to tax commercial satellites flying over their state... that didn't go over so well.

The US Space Command's MISSION STATEMENT is to control and exploit space. This treaty is a nice thought, but not going to happen.

Besides, they already ordered more X-37b space planes

edit on 13-3-2011 by zorgon because: Chadwickus talked to ArMaP to convince Phage to do it, even though Aliens abducted him



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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4. Weapons launched from the Earth that travel through space but are not based in space are not banned by this Treaty.


This is a really stupid clause. It means someone can launch an ICBM at us, but we can't have a defense in space to stop it. Bad idea



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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ARTICLE VI

1. The provisions of this Treaty that ban all space-based weapons shall apply to all Nation States, whether or not they are Signatories to this Treaty.
2. This Treaty shall enter into force upon the signing and ratification of the first nine (9) Nation State Signatories.


Seriously?
They think that they can enforce this on nations that DON'T sign? How exactly?



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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and that we will be working with Cosmic Cultures whose situation and willingness to cooperate with Earth cultures is based upon that higher consciousness.


Ummm who are they? And I thought the United Nations told us they didn't have an ambassador for aliens?

Hmmmm



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by drakus
It would be signed by sovereign Nations, and it INCLUDES non-terrestrial nations as POSSIBLE signataries...



Hmmm not so sure about that... Carol Rosin has been for no weapons in space since Wernher von Braun died after himself speaking out against it. It was the reason he resigned from NASA just before his death..

But these two Navy Commanders catch my interest


Caption: Retired Navy Cmdr. Scott Jones spent half of his 30-year naval career in intelligence service. He's a significant contributor to the anti-weaponization of space proposal and a proponent of full disclosure of ET/Earth contact.

He makes this statement:


Jones, one of the treaty's architects and founder of the Peace and Emergency Action Coalition for Earth (or PEACE), had several Pentagon assignments during his 30-year naval career, which included intelligence service. It was his idea to include extraterrestrials in the wording of the treaty. Aliens Part of Space Treaty to Ban Orbiting Weapons Courtesy Scott Jones, USN-Retired Retired Navy Cmdr. Scott Jones spent half of his 30-year naval career in intelligence service. He's a significant contributor to the anti-weaponization of space proposal and a proponent of full disclosure of ET/Earth contact. "We felt that, not only was it appropriate, but it was timely and absolutely necessary if the treaty can be implemented and verified," Jones told AOL News. "The extraterrestrial cultures are the ones that are really going to keep this honest, because they have the capability."


www.aolnews.com...

Okay so a retired Navy Commander, that worked in NAVY intelligence and the Pentagon, is telling us these aliens are real, are here, and have the ability to enforce this treaty... say WHAT



The treaty was drafted by Rosin; former Navy intelligence Cmdr. Scott Jones; retired Navy Capt. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo astronaut and founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences; retired Navy Cmdr. Will Miller; and retired Boeing aerospace executive Abe Krieger.


Well they got my attention




edit on 13-3-2011 by zorgon because: CLASSIFIED



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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Well said, Zorgon, I'm really loonking forward for answers.



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by drakus
It would be signed by sovereign Nations, and it INCLUDES non-terrestrial nations as POSSIBLE signataries...



Hmmm not so sure about that... Carol Rosin has been for no weapons in space since Wernher von Braun died after himself speaking out against it. It was the reason he resigned from NASA just before his death..

But these two Navy Commanders catch my interest


Caption: Retired Navy Cmdr. Scott Jones spent half of his 30-year naval career in intelligence service. He's a significant contributor to the anti-weaponization of space proposal and a proponent of full disclosure of ET/Earth contact.

He makes this statement:


Jones, one of the treaty's architects and founder of the Peace and Emergency Action Coalition for Earth (or PEACE), had several Pentagon assignments during his 30-year naval career, which included intelligence service. It was his idea to include extraterrestrials in the wording of the treaty. Aliens Part of Space Treaty to Ban Orbiting Weapons Courtesy Scott Jones, USN-Retired Retired Navy Cmdr. Scott Jones spent half of his 30-year naval career in intelligence service. He's a significant contributor to the anti-weaponization of space proposal and a proponent of full disclosure of ET/Earth contact. "We felt that, not only was it appropriate, but it was timely and absolutely necessary if the treaty can be implemented and verified," Jones told AOL News. "The extraterrestrial cultures are the ones that are really going to keep this honest, because they have the capability."


www.aolnews.com...

Okay so a retired Navy Commander, that worked in NAVY intelligence and the Pentagon, is telling us these aliens are real, are here, and have the ability to enforce this treaty... say WHAT



The treaty was drafted by Rosin; former Navy intelligence Cmdr. Scott Jones; retired Navy Capt. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo astronaut and founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences; retired Navy Cmdr. Will Miller; and retired Boeing aerospace executive Abe Krieger.


Well they got my attention





edit on 13-3-2011 by zorgon because: CLASSIFIED






Thank you zorgon for your analysis and responses. I think the information provided in this AOL news release regarding a proposed space treaty, albeit a controversial one, is just another part of disclosure; and shows that the Navy has been involved in and/or plays an integral role in the UFO/USO analysis; as was Retired Army Colonel John Alexander's recent comments both in the article below, and of course in a recent video interview with our own Skeptic Overlord of ATS, including his confirmation that "disclosure has happened", and many times already.

"John points out the 1950 remark by President Harry Truman: “I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth.”

"Disclosure has happened! It starts with former Presidents Truman, Carter, Reagan and the Soviet Union’s Gorbachev. I’ve got stacks of generals, including Soviet generals, who’ve come out and said UFOs are real. My point is, how many times do senior officials need to come forward and say this is real?” John told Lee at AOL News and confirmed that former military officers have come forward to discuss their experiences when UFOs reportedly tampered with U.S. nuclear missile sites."

"At one time, before a lot of this information was released, I could see both the classified and the unclassified material. And I will tell you that 98 percent of the information was already in the public domain. The only things that weren’t there was stuff like sources and method, which is protected, but the information about the incident was already out there. Despite overwhelming evidence of interaction, nothing was done. It’s like a number of things that simply get put in the too-tough-to-handle bin. If it happens again, we’ll get nervous, but since it didn’t happen, put it aside.”

Source: www.lasvegasweekly.com...


To read comments posted by members about the ATS interview on video of Colonel Alexander go here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Disclosure...

We the people... said "when astronauts say UFO's are real, THEN we will believe..."

Well astronauts have come out and said it..

We the people... say "oh they are old retired fools just seeking attention..."

We the people... said "when Governments release the UFO files, THEN we will believe..."

Well NSA has had good documents online since 2000, MoD CIA Canada France etc all have released documents..

We the people... say "oh well those are old storiess, no proof of aliens, they are useless..."

We the people... said "why don't government and military people come forward... THEN we will believe..."

Well they come forward all the time... many of high rank that were trusted with stuff that would make peoples eyes pop. Yet when they retire and can finally speak...

We the people... say "oh they are old and senile... can't be trusted and just want to sell books..."

We the people are idiots... there will NEVER be disclosure, because if the aliens landed, We the people... will jump out out of windows like they did when the MARTIANS invades in 1938... ( another fact mostly erased from history books)



posted on Mar, 13 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Check this out,folks, this what Zorgon is talking about.


1938: Orson Welles dramatizes the Martian invasion of Earth during an episode of his popular radio show. Many listeners believe the invasion is real, triggering a mass panic.Adapting freely from H.G. Wells' science fiction novel War of the Worlds, Welles and his Mercury Theatre On the Air actors recast the story as a realistic sounding news broadcast.
It began with a fake bulletin that interrupted some dance music, announcing that "incandescent gas" explosions had been observed on Mars. Another bulletin followed shortly, reporting that a "huge, flaming object" had just crashed on a farm outside Grovers Mill, New Jersey. Further bulletins followed with Welles mobilizing his cast of "radio reporters" and "government officials" to paint the ghastly, unfolding picture of a Martian invasion. The drama climaxed with a reporter's breathless description of one of the alien invaders emerging from its spacecraft:


Full article

By just thinking about this make me ROFL



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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They only way for us to enforce such a treaty is:

A) We have black ops military assets that can get the job done and could counter alien creatures tech that originated from terrestrial and non-terrestrial sources.

B)There is a extraterrestrial entity that exists on our planet that has it's own interests and has the technology to enforce said treaty.

C)There is an extra-dimensional presence in which all extra dimensional life is anchored by the existence of the planet earth. Therefore there is an multi-dimensional entity/organization in which can manifest its form in our dimension (as normal humans/or solid matter beings) that police all of the dimensions tethered to earth and have the super advanced technology to enforce said law. Example a 13th dimensional being having the ability to blink a 3rd dimensional hostile alien being out of existence by thought. You can say the multi-dimensional being GOD keeps the planet from being fully destroyed as a whole.

D) They were board because the UN does jack # so after a night of watching ID4 a member proposed the creation of a anti-space weaponization policy for shyts and giggles.

E) This is a treat to make less advance nations feel more secure and give nations like CHINA and the US the advantage because in reality no one can stop them from openly weaponizing space. What are they going to do... call shannanigans and threaten to wage war on the nation with a huge death ray in space that can wipe out their country in a blink of an eye..... yeah.... sure. It's just a waste of tax payers money.

F) The reptilian empire is running the show and this quadrant of space and will threaten any race that seeks to mess with its breeding/food planet.

G) Their are really really old super advanced human being civilizations. These super humans so to speak are few in number and posses lost technology. They are more evolved genetically and can live for thousands of years. They have mastered the power of the human mind and they hold positions of influence on the earth. Such an advanced older civilization of humans that run the show could surely enforce or defend their planet.

Realistically this treaty can be applied to civilizations that are relatively at the same level of space travel as us. It is reasonable to believe some ET visits are the first expeditions of intergalactic travel etc. and they could be one way trips because they didn't perfect their technology.

The only way such a treaty can be enforced is if another alien race with interest on this planet and/or have a connection to humanity including originating from the earth before leaving it epocs ago and advanced technology enforces it. There has to be some sort of galactic federation that protects under developed sentient civilizations from being messed with. Who knows.... One thing is for sure this treaty is just for show.



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Disclosure...

We the people... said "when astronauts say UFO's are real, THEN we will believe..."

Well astronauts have come out and said it..

We the people... say "oh they are old retired fools just seeking attention..."

We the people... said "when Governments release the UFO files, THEN we will believe..."

Well NSA has had good documents online since 2000, MoD CIA Canada France etc all have released documents..

We the people... say "oh well those are old storiess, no proof of aliens, they are useless..."

We the people... said "why don't government and military people come forward... THEN we will believe..."

Well they come forward all the time... many of high rank that were trusted with stuff that would make peoples eyes pop. Yet when they retire and can finally speak...

We the people... say "oh they are old and senile... can't be trusted and just want to sell books..."

We the people are idiots... there will NEVER be disclosure, because if the aliens landed, We the people... will jump out out of windows like they did when the MARTIANS invades in 1938... ( another fact mostly erased from history books)







I think the breakdown will be more like this:

20% will welcome the announcements and look forward to the details and presentation of new ideas and cultural experiences

20% will call them demons or fallen angels and pray for their destruction

20% will arm themselves and try to "shoot me one of those aliens"

20% will say that they are not real, only a product of TPB and say "geez you are such sheeple".....

20% will say publicly that they really don't care one way or the other, but will secretly fall into one of the other 80% categories above

And 100% of the people who are not currently members of ATS will join our little group here to find out just exactly what is going on.....






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posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Actually, i'm more optimistic. I think the concept of our society being "unable to cope" with this event is more implanted than real. Most of the people I know (none of them being "ats material", for a lack of a better term
) are quite pleasant with the idea of little green tourists... That may be because here (in argentina) we have a particular "idiosincracy" that is very flexible to change and new stuff (probably because we are a relatively young nation).
I believe most of the world would welcome this, as I believe most of the world is actually a lot "nicer" than what it is portrayed in the MSM...



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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I fall in to the "20% will say publicly that they really don't care one way or the other," but secretly I will fall in the category of people who "welcome the announcements and look forward to the details and presentation of new ideas and cultural experiences," but also locked and loaded waiting for the worst.
My brothers and sisters who's with me ?!



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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And how are said "aliens" going to know about this "treaty"? Email? Twitter?



posted on Mar, 14 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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You are assuming that "they" are not aware of this proposed treaty.
If that is the case, may I suggest you watch this short video from one of my favorite
movies and better understand:




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