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Originally posted by hooper
Really, did you read any of the NIST report? They are mentioned in there, they were obtained by the NIST engineers and investigators from the Port Authority of Newark and New York. They have them. The NIST probably has copies. All the columns were horizontally connected to each other with floor beams that formed the frame for the floors in the core area.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by hooper
Really, did you read any of the NIST report? They are mentioned in there, they were obtained by the NIST engineers and investigators from the Port Authority of Newark and New York. They have them. The NIST probably has copies. All the columns were horizontally connected to each other with floor beams that formed the frame for the floors in the core area.
I have already said I downloaded and burned the report to DVD 3 yeas ago. I provided the list of reports from that DVD and quotes from it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
psik
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by hooper
Really, did you read any of the NIST report? They are mentioned in there, they were obtained by the NIST engineers and investigators from the Port Authority of Newark and New York. They have them. The NIST probably has copies. All the columns were horizontally connected to each other with floor beams that formed the frame for the floors in the core area.
I have already said I downloaded and burned the report to DVD 3 yeas ago. I provided the list of reports from that DVD and quotes from it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
psik
But did you read it? Apparently not. They refer to all the material that they used to do their investigation and yet you keep asking what material is available.
You can't ignore the horizontal supports when modelling a collapse. If you had an impossibly strong horizontal support system (like the broom psikey used in his model), then the collapse would certainly arrest.
Yes, it takes energy, but guess how it can re-generate the same energy it used to crush/impact the first floor? The same amount of space will be available for acceleration on each successive floor, if my imaginings are correct.
I already said anybody that reads those 10,000 pages is CRAZY.
The event of 9/11 is more important than that report.
The fact that they do not emphasize the importance of the distribution of mass advertises their stupidity.
However they did say in 3 places that the information in necessary to analyze the impact. But then they didn't do it.
I already demonstrated the effect:
The Laws of Physics do not give a damn about any particular report. If the report does not make proper us of physics then it is garbage.
Originally posted by Azp420
Ah I see what you talking about now. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't see how this affects is to any significant degree. Can you explain?
It doesn't need to just regenerate the same energy, it needs to generate much more energy (higher mass and higher velocity). There were still a very large number of columns between floors. Unlike at the impact zone, these columns were undamaged.
Accelerating through the damaged impact zone is one thing. Accelerating through undamaged levels is another.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
I already said anybody that reads those 10,000 pages is CRAZY.
And what do you say about somone who keeps making claims about what is and what is not in the report but admits that they haven't read it?
I say they are SMART enough to know how to search a 10,000 page document that is in computer readable form to figure out what IMPORTANT INFORMATION is not in it. It is not like it is only on paper.
Put your brain in gear and figure out what is going to matter to the physics of what supposedly happened and what could be seen to happen and then check the document to see if it was put into the report.
What about the top of the south tower tilting? The NIST report has the degrees of tilt in two planes. But then they say nothing about the center of mass of 29 stories of the building and make no attempt to explain why it did not fall down the side.
Then there is the fact that the weight of steel and concrete must be properly distributed to hold up against gravity and withstand the wind.
Where is that specified in their 10,000 pages. They don't even have the total for the concrete. I have been pointing that out for going on four years. Not one person has said where that info is in the report.
Originally posted by Ben81
the truth always prevails at the end .. the sad thing in this case .. its been 10 yrs and nothing was proven yet
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
I say they are SMART enough to know how to search a 10,000 page document that is in computer readable form to figure out what IMPORTANT INFORMATION is not in it. It is not like it is only on paper.
Oh, I see. You didn't bother reading the report, you just did a search looking for your particluar brand of whacky physics theory. Now that makes sense. Read it. Maybe, just maybe, the information you so desire is there, just not in the form you think it should take.
Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Again with the concrete. What is it with you? Yes, there was concrete. Alot of it. As well as the computers, desks and even people who were in there.
I will ask this again since you always avoid. so, if you knew how much concrete, what would you do?
I've seen articles that stae there was around 200 thousnad tons of concrete in the WTC, add to that the steelwork and everything else.
Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Not stupid physics, just people who do not understand them.
Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by psikeyhackr
As far as physical models, yes, we had to create those too and they were better than the washer model but sorry I never designed a WTC complex, nothing over 3 stories was I involved in . A few houses, a few commercial buildings and that's it.
What computer programs have you written simulating anything about the towers? Purdue did a great job with their simulation. The core columns don't move and thereby contradict the NIST. So which one of them DOES NOT UNDERSTAND PHYSICS?