I am a fence-sitter when it comes to the paranormal, I have read and seen some strange stuff that has me wondering and I am definitely open-minded
when it comes to the subject.
Having said that, to be completely honest that image of the bloke being assaulted and hung by a 'poltergeist' looks more to me like he is standing on
an angled part of the roof frame and pressing his head into the roof. The only thing that looks a little odd is his shirt being pulled up toward the
roof - but seriously he could have just put that there himself.
In no way am I trying to cause trouble, nor am I claiming anyone is a nutjob or anything, I just thought I'd give my honest impression.
13/3/2011 by Kryties because: (no reason given)
In no way am I trying to cause trouble, nor am I claiming anyone is a nutjob or anything, I just thought I'd give my honest
I don't think you're trying to cause trouble or anything. Trust me, I may be a believer in this case, but I'm more than happy to receive skeptical
points of views.
It's important in fact, so thanks for that post of yours! Starred.
Please do watch this video though, near the beginning of the video more Images of this "hanging" are shown. You may find it a bit more enlightening
that the current image I have provided in the OP is all.
Here is it:
As far as I'm aware also, although of course I could be mistaken here, the activity here occurred very quickly, and images were quickly taken roughly
at the point of activity occurring also so, I've always felt It was unlikely he could've done it himself. He seemed plausible to me too, after all,
Jeff Wheatcraft was one of the hardcore skeptics of the group I believe.
EDIT TO ADD: Not that the video is evidence of anything btw, but I just feel you may find it more enlightening and telling that the current
image I have shown.
edit on 13-3-2011 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)
I watched the video and did see the other images taken from another angle. I don't know really, nothing about the images suggest it could not be done
by the bloke himself yet his reaction does seem real. Its a tough call I guess, and I don't think there is enough visual information to say either
Maybe I'm just sceptical because in the back of my mind a thought is constantly running saying 'these people have a vested interest in
showing/proving paranormal events'.
I have been known to be wrong though, from time to time
Agreed. And, as I've said right from the start of discussing this case - This is one of the very very VERY few instances where I can actually say I
believe this was genuine paranormal phenomenon. Usually I don't feel comfortable saying it as there is always that little bit of doubt as you
yourself said - I suppose It's still there with this case really, but hey, what can I say, I'm actually convinced by the "evidence" (and yes, I do
use that loosely) presented in this case for once. I feel the witnesses are credible, I believe they are telling the truth and I feel the case hasn't
ever been shoved down anyones throat - "fame seeking."
I could always be wrong and you're spot on when you say It's a tough all. Because... My god, It is, lol.
I have been known to be wrong though, from time to time
This looks like a really good case of poltergeist activity. They have been known as violent or mischievous in many ways. I wish they caught footage of
the guy while he was being attached by the spirit. That would be even more convincing evidence of this incident.
Interesting read, well put together. Firstly I am skeptic but I enjoy reading these types of threads with an open mind. You know the one thing I often
ask myself is, where are the modern day poltergeist / Haunted House stories.....
From what I can tell, most stories we talk about these days are all based around the 70-80's.
Firstly I am skeptic but I enjoy reading these types of threads with an open mind.
Again, I feel myself agreeing here. I personally think approaching something of this nature from the skeptical point of view will always be the
correct approach. Without a doubt. That being so though, I still have to admit this case is one of the very first I will admit to being a believer of
- especially on the ATS boards and prior to posting anyway.
I just feel the amount of "evidence" in favor is one of the best I've had the pleasure to come across and I feel the people involved are more than
credible also (something not always found easily) and not ones whom are prone to lying to "get famous" so to speak.
I could be wrong though of course and I'm more than open to it but I do believe this case in genuine - and I do still try to tackle it from a
skeptical point of view.
You know the one thing I often ask myself is, where are the modern day poltergeist / Haunted House stories.....
I think today people are more skeptical, or just plain not interested, in these types of cases to be completely honest. Not as much as they
I guess you will already realise this but never underestimate the role that personal bias plays in these cases! A investigator who believes in the
paranormal, and who may see a local case as being his path to psychic superstardom, may well blow the incidents out of all proportions and make the
case more interesting than it really is. Think of what Harry Price did to the Borley Rectory haunting! The opposite is also the case. An investigator
who feels it is his place to protect the current scientific paradigm from attack, from what he sees as irrational thinking, may well turn a blind eye
to true events...
When studying these cases shown on the TV or on the web you often have to spend more time considering the person who is presenting the case (can
he/she be trusted etc) than what they are actually presenting! Just imagine how frustrating it must be to spend years, decades in my case, pursuing a
real case only to find one, present your findings and films collected over months of hard work and dedication, only to have some part time sceptic
dismiss them and announce your films fake and the case a load of anti scientific nonsense?
I say again my friend, never over look the investigators personal bias... "
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