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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Mama Nature speaks up a little louder...very shallow one too...


M 5.9, near the east coast of Honshu, Japan

Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:31:04 UTC
Saturday, June 18, 2011 08:31:04 PM at epicenter

Depth: 11.30 km (7.02 mi)

Posted on 18 June 2011 | 11:31 am






posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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So, they finally get busted for the left hand not telling the right hand what was going on...we called this one in the first week here.


IAEA report says Japan's disaster response may have been slowed by miscommunication

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) warns that complexity of organizations may have slowed Japan's response to the ongoing crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant in an unreleased report obtained by the Mainichi on June 17.

In the 160-page report, based on a visit to Japan by an IAEA research team from late May to early June, the United Nations nuclear watchdog appears to be sounding an alarm to Japan because of communication problems seen between the Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), nuclear plant regulators and the national government that slowed the country's response to the disaster



The report notes the lack of coordination between TEPCO and the government when they each set up their own task forces after the disaster. This caused a delay in venting gas from the reactors to reduce the inside pressure, setting the stage for the hydrogen explosions that damaged the reactor buildings. Delays in cooling the reactors allowed the fuel rods to be damaged. mdn.mainichi.jp...


Des



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Unit 4 has been flashing and huffing and puffing since 6:AM EST...that ain't fog on the TEPCO cam.

Hope Lucas captured it.

Anyhow this is getting to be a nightly occurrence at Unit 4 for the past several days. Wonder what's up.

- Purple Chive



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Maluhia
This isn't good news:

Japan's TEPCO suspends cleanup at Fukushima plant



The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant, said on Saturday it had suspended an operation to clean up radioactive water only hours after it had begun as radiation levels rose faster than expected.

"The level of radiation at a machine to absorb caesium has risen faster than our initial projections," said a spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power Co.

Officials had said earlier this week that large and growing pools of radioactive water at the Fukushima Daiichi plant were in danger of spilling into the sea within a week unless action was taken quickly.


reuters


Quantifying "radiation levels rose faster than expected." This would seem to be WAY FASTER.


The radiation limit of 4 millisieverts/hour was reached in 5 hours, instead of one month as anticipated.

New information from Jiji News Japanese (12:47PM JST 6/18/2011):

The radiation level on the cesium absorption towers (cylinders) reached the limit [4 millisievert/hour] in 5 hours.

The limit was supposed to be reached in a month.

There is a possibility that the contaminated water contained the sludge with extremely high level of radioactive materials.

TEPCO hopes to investigate the cause and re-start the operation within a week.


SKF

Investigate the cause?


The cause is much higher radiation levels than they have admitted to would be my guess.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Say what?????
Read whole article...they are saying THIS COULD BE FAR WORSE THAN FUKUSHIME...

What the hell folks??? This is another freakin' meltdown going on....when will it end...WHEN. WILL. IT. END.


“Let’s say they make this fix, which is very complicated,” Mr. Ban said. “The rest of the reactor remains highly dangerous. And an accident at Monju would have catastrophic consequences beyond what we are seeing at Fukushima.”



Japan Strains to Fix a Reactor Damaged Before Quake

By HIROKO TABUCHI
Published: June 17, 2011

TSURUGA, Japan — Three hundred miles southwest of Fukushima, at a nuclear reactor perched on the slopes of this rustic peninsula, engineers are engaged in another precarious struggle.

The New York Times

Monju is 60 miles from Kyoto, a city of 1.5 million people.

The Monju prototype fast-breeder reactor — a long-troubled national project — has been in a precarious state of shutdown since a 3.3-ton device crashed into the reactor’s inner vessel, cutting off access to the plutonium and uranium fuel rods at its core.

Engineers have tried repeatedly since the accident last August to recover the device, which appears to have gotten stuck. They will make another attempt as early as next week.

But critics warn that the recovery process is fraught with dangers because the plant uses large quantities of liquid sodium, a highly flammable substance, to cool the nuclear fuel.

Even if the device can be removed, restarting the reactor will be risky, given its safety record and its use of highly toxic plutonium as fuel, said Hideyuki Ban, co-director of the Citizens’ Nuclear Information Center, a watchdog group, and a member of an advisory government committee on Japan’s long-term nuclear energy policy. The plant is 60 miles from Kyoto, a city of 1.5 million people, and the fast-breeder design of the reactor makes it more prone to Chernobyl-type runaway reactions in the case of a severe accident, critics say.

“Let’s say they make this fix, which is very complicated,” Mr. Ban said. “The rest of the reactor remains highly dangerous. And an accident at Monju would have catastrophic consequences beyond what we are seeing at Fukushima.”


www.nytimes.com...

Des



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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Saw this yesterday and noticed that through all this money and danger - that plant has run and produced power for ONE hour. ONE hour. End nuclear now.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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This looks scary...





And it's come up in several NRC discussions...

site:ht tp://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ monju

Really getting tired of this crap!!! It's like some sort of ego trip - let's flirt with the devil and see who wins.

Agreed Des...too much, way too friggen much...

- Purple Chive



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
The cause is much higher radiation levels than they have admitted to would be my guess.
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And the difference works out to almost 150 times more radiation. If this gets extrapolated to the whole plant, if all their estimations are this far off, we are in deeper do-do then anyone dreamed possible.

And this Areva system was the only bright light they had burning.

Its time to do what the Russians did at Chernobyl. In fact, its time to turn the whole thing over to the Russians. You cant trust TEPCO, and you cant trust Japan, US, UK or France to do the right thing, and they are the only other countries other than Russia with the know how to MAYBE deal with this situation. And heaven forbid IAEA or some other industry shill group should take charge. But the glaring fact is that TEPCO is worthless, or worse, dangerous, as the oversight group and needs to be removed from command ASAP.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Id like to know what the flashes of bright light are. First flash is 1:45. At 5:15 they get near the source of the flashes. 5:53 is a very bright one, and I think the last one.

Concerning sodium, from Wiki;

Molten sodium is used as a coolant in some types of fast neutron reactors...... The molten metal will readily burn in air and react violently with water, liberating explosive hydrogen. During reactor operation, a small amount of sodium-24 is formed as a result of neutron activation, making the coolant radioactive. Sodium leaks and fires were a significant operational problem in the first large sodium-cooled fast reactors, causing extended shutdowns at the Monju Nuclear Power Plant and Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Plant.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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New thread on this particular plant can be found here.

Looks like another fine example of why we should not be even trying to use this technology...



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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New TEPCO roadmap.
www.tepco.co.jp...

Page 12 shows picture of anti-scatter agents being applied to hillslope behind CSFP, showing no debris, and states that they started use on April 1 and are still trying to finish areas on and around reactor buildings and hope to be done by end of June.

So the area they deemed the most important to spray first was indeed the CSFP.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Very informative article with photos and diagrams of plans that will never work....oh well...



Saturday, Jun 18 2011 6PM 91°F 9PM 93°F 5-Day Forecast
Fukushima entombed: Nuclear firm reveal how it plans to put a covering shield over reactor to stop leaks

By Daily Mail Reporter

The is the first picture of the giant polyester cover Japanese nuclear scientists hope will shield the doomed Fukushima reactor No.1.

The giant construction will be built by the Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) as part of a bid to stem dangerous radiation being released into the atmosphere.

TEPCO said that it would start to build a giant cover shield around the No.1 reactor building on June 27, as a temporary measure to prevent further release of radioactive substances into the atmosphere.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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NO MORE SUSHI..THEY BE WELL DONE HEEHEE



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Pretty certain those flashes are camera flash. I'm wondering what that white powdery substance was coating almost every single exposed surface in the video.

What is produced when liquid sodium ignites in open air conditions or encounters water?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
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Pretty certain those flashes are camera flash. I'm wondering what that white powdery substance was coating almost every single exposed surface in the video.

What is produced when liquid sodium ignites in open air conditions or encounters water?


Ill go back and check, but it seems like two of them were flashing in front and to the right where people hadnt gone.

from wiki again
Sodium is potentially explosive in water (depending on quantity), and it is rapidly converted to sodium hydroxide on contact with moisture and sodium hydroxide is a corrosive substance. The powdered form may combust spontaneously in air or oxygen. Sodium must be stored either in an inert (oxygen and moisture free) atmosphere (such as nitrogen or argon), or under a liquid hydrocarbon such as mineral oil or kerosene.

on edit: if those folks were walking through crystalized and powdered sodium hydroxide, I sure hope they were paid a kings ransom to do that. I cant even imagine the courage it would take to enter that situation.
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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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This is probably my last post on the CSFP, unless new data is uncovered, a whistleblower comes forward or smoke/steam starts coming from the building. After three days of searching the web, numerous broken links, and confusing dead ends, I believe now that if something did happen at the CSFP, its been swept under the rug and we will probably never know. Just like all the other questions hashed out here and other forums (and no where else thank you very much METI, NRC, EPA etc etc etc) they may all end up buried in concrete, zeolite and sand.

This is your world (holds up the egg over the pan)

This is your world on nuclear power (breaks open egg and it hits sizzling hot pan)

Any questions?



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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If Fukushima had been a Fast Breeder Reactor? Would we still be here?



Liquid sodium...plus water...

Monju/Joyo, Tsuruga City, Japan...too late...

but Kalpakkam, India (near Chenai) you still have a chance...not to be commissioned until 2012:



does not require water for emergency cooling of its nuclear fuel core in the case of an accident


BUT this minor detail...



The PFBR will use plutonium-uranium oxide as fuel, and liquid sodium as coolant. If sodium comes into contact with water, it will catch fire.




www.thebulletin.org...
www.thehindu.com...

Whew...

Flirtin' with the Devil

- Purple Chive


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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Purplechive
www.thebulletin.org...

From the above.


"The reactor is to be the first of hundreds that the DAE envisions constructing throughout India by mid-century."

You've got to be kidding me. Why do I keep getting this nagging feeling that invasion of the body snatchers has occurred, and the first to get snatched were the governments of the world.



posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Purplechive
Unit 4 has been flashing and huffing and puffing since 6:AM EST...that ain't fog on the TEPCO cam.

Hope Lucas captured it.

Anyhow this is getting to be a nightly occurrence at Unit 4 for the past several days. Wonder what's up.

- Purple Chive


news.lucaswhitefieldhixson.com...

Yep, he did. This is the worst Ive seen. His capture is 4+ minutes and shows smoke/whatever from 3 and 4, then after 1:00 fog comes in and raises up real fast so that by 2+ the TNS cam is blacked out. Then the fog recedes and drops down to the ground, and at 4:15 to the end you can see beyond any shadow of doubt all four buildings blowing significant smoke/steam columns. Bigtime.

on edit: I can hear the voices already saying, its nothing new, its just dewpoint and nighttime moisture and why dont you get a life and stop watching the Fukushima Entertainment Channel all time.

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posted on Jun, 18 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Thanks for the find Z! Grateful for Lucas capture and especially when in fast motion - it is an impressive release of steam and disconcerting.

Wonder how many more terabecquerels have been exuded into the atmosphere since the last reading? On June 6th it was 770,000 terabecquerels.

What comes after tera? Peta...1,000,000,000,000,000...

Doesn't appear as if there is any progress controlling these demons.

Sigh...

- Purple Chive


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