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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 03:24 PM
reply to post by Destinyone

And don't forget the "secret 10% purchase" of TEPCO stock, made in Hong Kong, against the rules, for 600 million,

Only 2% allowable under Japanese laws. But hey just change the rules.

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 03:50 PM
Arnie's latest:

US Emergency evacuation plans based on staying below 25 rem per person, founded on speculation about releases that assume 1% fuel failure rate and containment leaks .05% per day. A 10 mile evacuation plan is standard.

Fukushima shows all those speculations are wrong.

100% fuel failure rate.
Containment "leaked like a sieve".

Most likely cause of nuclear accident is loss of offsite power, yet NRC assumes - in it's evacuation plans - that they will have power and communication. They also assume infrastructure will remain intact and roads will remain clear. NRC assumes that people will also behave rationally and mother nature is benign.

Japan should have been the most prepared and "They were totally unprepared for the accident that occurred". Imagine an accident like this in the states and how Americans would react... shiver.

edit on 6-6-2011 by Wertwog because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 03:57 PM
reply to post by zworld

We've been getting these readings off and on for a while in #3 and it's most likely a faulty gauge (TRN's/Silverlok's opinion). There is no "containment" left to pressurize - the lid was basically blown off the RPV in the boom and they are at "atmospheric" pressure.
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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 04:17 PM
Didn't see this posted yet.. CNN finally admits...

3 nuclear reactors melted down after quake, Japan confirms

Tokyo (CNN) -- Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant experienced full meltdowns at three reactors in the wake of an earthquake and tsunami in March, the country's Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters said Monday.
The nuclear group's new evaluation, released Monday, goes further than previous statements in describing the extent of the damage caused by an earthquake and tsunami on March 11.
The announcement will not change plans for how to stabilize the Fukushima Daiichi plant, the agency said.
Reactors 1, 2 and 3 experienced a full meltdown, it said.
The plant's owner, Tokyo Electric Power Co., admitted last month that nuclear fuel rods in reactors 2 and 3 probably melted during the first week of the nuclear crisis.
It had already said fuel rods at the heart of reactor No. 1 melted almost completely in the first 16 hours after the disaster struck. The remnants of that core are now sitting in the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel at the heart of the unit and that vessel is now believed to be leaking.
We 'came close' to losing northern Japan TEPCO admits to more possible meltdowns
2011 Japan Disaster
A "major part" of the fuel rods in reactor No. 2 may have melted and fallen to the bottom of the pressure vessel 101 hours after the earthquake and tsunami that crippled the plant, Tokyo Electric said May 24.
The same thing happened within the first 60 hours at reactor No. 3, the company said, in what it called its worst-case scenario analysis, saying the fuel would be sitting at the bottom of the pressure vessel in each reactor building.
But Tokyo Electric at the same time released a second possible scenario for reactors 2 and 3, one that estimated a full meltdown did not occur. In that scenario, the company estimated the fuel rods may have broken but may not have completely melted.
Temperature data showed the two reactors had cooled substantially in the more than two months since the incident, Tokyo Electric said in May.
The earthquake and tsunami knocked out cooling systems at Fukushima Daiichi, causing the three operating reactors to overheat. That compounded a natural disaster by spewing radioactive material into the atmosphere.
Tokyo Electric avoided using the term "meltdown," and says it was keeping the remnants of the core cool. But U.S. experts interviewed by CNN after the company's announcement in May said that while it may have been containing the situation, the damage had already been done.
"On the basis of what they showed, if there's not fuel left in the core, I don't know what it is other than a complete meltdown," said Gary Was, a University of Michigan nuclear engineering professor and CNN consultant. And given the damage reported at the other units, "It's hard to imagine the scenarios can differ that much for those reactors."
A massive hydrogen explosion -- a symptom of the reactor's overheating -- blew the roof off the No. 1 unit the day after the earthquake, and another hydrogen blast ripped apart the No. 3 reactor building two days later. A suspected hydrogen detonation within the No. 2 reactor is believed to have damaged that unit on March 15.

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:11 PM

Originally posted by curioustype
Thought for the day:

Germany steps out of line via very public ditching/abandonment of nuclear energy policy, almost immediately they sustain the lions share of the 'unusual' e-coli/vegetable outbreak, which, as all Europeans now know, has lead to all of us being asked to thoroughly wash/peel/cook vegetables prior to eating.

That sounds familiar, wasn't Mr Gundersen saying we maybe ought to do that with vegetables for other reasons?

Is it only me that has wondered whether this could have been a 'way' of changing our behaviour to one that overlaps well with the radiation contaminents/ingestion issue, whilst usefully not mentioning/connecting the change in behaviour/story to unhelpfully alarming things like 'cancer' and 'radiation' and 'manmade'?

Did Germany take a hit after jumping from the nuclear bandwagon?

My wife came home having listened to an in depth UK MSM radio analysis on this ongoing emergency, and has instructed me to peel, thoroughly wash all fruit & veg, before pealing a pear for my son. I said I've been saying that for two months, which we have, even she seemed to find it easier to react to the new official advice than my previously 'independent'/unofficial advice.

I just watched the news and this was a top story, they made it clear that there is ongoing confusion about the source, which means it's best to treat all f/v with the same caution, also massive quantities of f/v being pulled from the supply chain across Europe, and other countries are "blaming" Germany and will seek compensation via European Union[they're talking €billions already].

The MSM spent some time spotlighting bean sprouts...could they be concerned about some imports, as surely sales of all bean sprouts [will suffer], not just those identified today as being grown in Germany?

I continue to find the scope, context and timing of this somewhat odd.

PS I saw today in Disease & Pandemics forum that H5 N1 Avian flu outbreak found in Chiba, Japan, firstly, so sorry to see yet another nasty issue for the Japanese people to suffer. They seem to expect poultry supplies to be removed.

Could we be witnessing complex new manipulation and evasion (of words like nuclear fallout, manmade disaster, accountability...), or is this a genuine coincidence.
edit on 6-6-2011 by curioustype because: corrected typos & added compensation costs scale reference

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:23 PM
reply to post by matadoor

No.1 reactor vessel damaged 5 hours after quake

Japan's nuclear regulator says the meltdown at one of the Fukushima reactors came about 5 hours after the March 11th earthquake, 10 hours earlier than initially estimated by the plant's operator.

The government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency on Monday issued the results of its analysis of data given to it by Tokyo Electric Power Company.

The report says the fuel rods in the Number 1 reactor began to be exposed 2 hours after the earthquake due to the loss of the reactor's cooling system in the tsunami. Its fuel rods may have melted down 3 hours later, causing the damage to the reactor. This means the meltdown occurred about 10 hours earlier than TEPCO estimated last month.

The nuclear agency also says a meltdown damaged the Number 2 reactor about 80 hours after the quake, and the Number 3 reactor 79 hours after the quake.

The agency's analysis shows that the Number 2 reactor damage came 29 hours earlier than the TEPCO estimate, and the Number 3 reactor damage came 13 hours later than in the utility's assessment.

The agency says the total amount of radioactive iodine 131 and cesium 137 released from the Numbers 1, 2 and 3 reactors for the 6 days from March 11th is estimated at 770,000 terabecquerels.

That is about twice the figure mentioned in April when the agency upgraded the severity of the accident to the highest level of 7 on an international scale.

The agency attributes the discrepancies to the assumption that radioactive substances might have been released from the Number 2 reactor containment vessel as well as from its suppression chamber.

Monday, June 06, 2011 21:03 +0900 (JST)

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:24 PM
reply to post by matadoor

More hydrogen produced than TEPCO's estimate

Japan's nuclear safety agency says about 800 to 1,000 kilograms of hydrogen was produced in each of 3 reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant soon after the March 11th earthquake.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency studied data provided by Tokyo Electric Power Company last month.

The agency says about 1,000 kilograms of hydrogen was produced at the No. 1 reactor when the fuel rods began to be exposed 2 hours after the quake and the metallic fuel containers oxidized one hour later.

The same phenomenon took place at the No. 3 reactor some 43 hours after the quake, resulting in the production of 1,000 kilograms of hydrogen.

Hydrogen explosions blew the top off the No. 1 and 3 reactor buildings.

A smaller explosion at the No. 2 reactor damaged the suppression pool. The agency has not determined the cause of the blast, but calculates that about 800 kilograms of hydrogen was formed there 77 hours after the quake when fuel rods were damaged.

The agency's calculations are 1.3 to 2.3 times more than TEPCO's original estimate.

The agency says the hydrogen is likely to have damaged the reactor buildings and containment vessels.

Tuesday, June 07, 2011 05:40 +0900 (JST)

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:27 PM
reply to post by matadoor

Govt. document shows offsite center dysfunctional

An internal document from Japan's nuclear safety agency reveals that an emergency response office was nearly dysfunctional at the time of the nuclear accident at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant on March 11th.

NHK has obtained a document from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency that shows how the office, called an "off-site center" failed to function properly due to a rise in radiation levels in the wake of a power outage.

Off-site centers were established at 22 locations near nuclear power plants throughout the country after a criticality accident in 1999 at a nuclear fuel processing plant in Tokai Village in Ibaraki Prefecture.

Officials of the national and local governments, police and Self-Defense Forces were to gather at these offices in the event of nuclear power plant accidents to formulate plans to evacuate residents.

A Nuclear Safety and Industrial Agency log shows that an off-site center 5 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi plant was barely functional after the March 11th earthquake.

It reveals that after the power outage, an emergency diesel generator did not work at all, communications were down, and other critical functions were lost.

The document reveals that officials from only 3 out of more than 20 organizations assembled at the off-site center at around 10:00 PM on March 11th, 7 hours after the earthquake.

On the following day, the document shows that radiation levels were rising inside the center after an explosion occurred at the Number One Reactor building. It is believed that the off-site center was poorly equipped and unable to prevent radioactive materials from getting in.

Later, as radiation levels continued to rise, the authorities decided to relocate the functions of the off-site center to the Fukushima Prefectural Government office, 60 kilometers from the nuclear plant, on March 16th.

Monday, June 06, 2011 22:00 +0900 (JST)

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:30 PM
reply to post by matadoor

Japan doubles radiation leak estimate

Japan's nuclear safety agency has more than doubled its estimate of the amount of radiation released into the atmosphere from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says it believes the earthquake-stricken Fukushima plant emitted nearly 800,000 terabecquerels of radioactive material into the air in the days after it was hit by a massive tsunami.

That is more than double the original estimate and is based on new information suggesting the No.1 and No.2 reactors suffered meltdowns much earlier than thought.

The revision reveals the failure to contain the disaster resulted in much more radioactive contamination of the soil, sea and air than the plant's operators had acknowledged.

The disaster is rated a maximum seven on the international nuclear accident scale, the same level as the Chernobyl meltdown 25 years ago.

Late last month, it was feared two workers at the crippled nuclear plant were exposed to radiation above the level allowed in emergencies.

Japanese media reported the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) workers were exposed to at least 250 millisieverts of radiation.

The maximum dose used to be 100 millisieverts, but it was raised to 250 after the nuclear crisis began.

It is believed the men were exposed while working in the plant's central control room and outside the reactor buildings.

Internal exposure occurs when people take radioactive substances into their bodies through tainted air or food and drink.

Media reports say the workers were found with levels of radioactive iodine in their thyroid glands 10 times higher than that of their fellow workers.

TEPCO says it has been measuring the internal exposure to radiation of all employees involved in emergency work at the Fukushima Daiichi plant crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:31 PM
Ok folds I'm at work so I can't do a detailed post but one of the few people here who thinks on scales similar to mine has been researching and digging on this topic and he came across something that us actually referen Ed in and old ATS thread and I thought it bears discussion.

One o the things we are concerned about is the release of radionuclides of various types. What we need is a barrier of some sort. What about this?

Originally posted by purelogik

This occurred in late summer in South Carolina, in extremely high humidity. Polypropelene (PP) film on 50K ft. rolls 20ft wide was being slit and transferred to multiple smaller spools. The film was taken off the main roll at high speed, flowed upwards 20ft to overhead rollers, passed horizontally 20ft and then downwards to the slitting device, where it was spooled onto shorter rolls. The whole operation formed a cubical shaped tent, with two walls and a ceiling approximately 20ft square. The spools ran at 1000ft/min, or about 10MPH. The PP film had been manufactured with dissimilar surface structure on opposing faces. Contact electrification can occur even in similar materials if the surface textures or micro-structures are significantly different. The generation of a large imbalance of electrical surface-charge during unspooling was therefor not unexpected, and is a common problem in this industry. "Static cling" in the megavolt range!

On entering the factory floor and far from the equipment, Mr. Swenson's 200KV/ft handheld electrometer was found to slam to full scale. When he attempted to walk through the corridor formed by the moving film, he was stopped about half way through by an "invisible wall." He could lean all his weight forward but was unable to pass. He observed a fly get pulled into the charged, moving plastic, and speculates that the e-fields might have been strong enough to suck in birds!

would any "experts" like to comment or explain? is it possible to reproduce this effect on a larger or smaller scale?

id like to go there and experience it myself.

Would be quite the feat of engineering, but we need to think beyond current structures.

Silverlok, you still around?

Any other highly educated people have input?

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 05:31 PM
reply to post by curioustype

One more thing, Germany was also asking for increased blood donations as treatment involved transfusions, antibiotics have been ruled out very, (unusually?) swiftly, intestinal,liver and kidney failure/targets/complications...could this be a mask for rainout or 'hot' food imports?

edit on 6-6-2011 by curioustype because: gotta love predictive text it replaced word "liver" with something more racy, corrected now

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 06:09 PM
reply to post by jadedANDcynical

All the conventional approaches would involve immense masses or one very large one covering all troubled structures, in structures that would need to remain rigid for millenia...but Tepco have made it clear that the site and locale are riddled with faults, and we have all learnt about the effects of that 9EQ on the ground (moving, tilting, cracking, ...) I wonder whether that leveil of mass could be a great long term problem.

So, I think any ideas that may incorporate less mass may be worth a look, maybe that's the Tepco tent's raison d'etre?
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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 07:16 PM
New Fukushima video...starts with people in command center? Then maybe the rest from robo helicopter? WOW the exterior damage looks terrible, also, a lot of men working very close to reactors.


posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 07:25 PM
2 more videos from same person, on site ...


posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Wertwog
reply to post by zworld

We've been getting these readings off and on for a while in #3 and it's most likely a faulty gauge (TRN's/Silverlok's opinion). There is no "containment" left to pressurize - the lid was basically blown off the RPV in the boom and they are at "atmospheric" pressure.
edit on 6-6-2011 by Wertwog because: (no reason given)

I suspect the faulty gauge theory could be right, except that all the temp gauges from the RPV tend to follow a similar pattern. 4 of the five have risen 20C while the very bottom has risen 36C. If these were destroyed by a blast would they still run similar readings. I dont have a clue, but it has stuck in my mind as something to try and understand. RPV position/temp on 5/30 and on 6/5;

Three upper readings;
Stud / 139 / 159.5
Flange / 195.2 / 213
Lower Flange / 173.5 / 194.9

Two lower readings;
Bottom head / 128.2 / 148.8
Bottom part / 128.5 / 164.3

I totally agree with the full meltdown in 1, 2 and 3, but am still weighing whether 3 RPV is totally destroyed and blown apart or only full of cracks and holes. I think Arnie said that the initial burst was a hydrogen detonation followed by prompt criticality in the fuel pool. Id have to go back to make sure but Ive always thought that explanation was close. But i dont know. I think in the end its one of those '6 of this half dozen of that' kind of thing. The end result is still radioactive material everywhere and corium heading for groundwater.

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 07:32 PM
Although I am not orthodoxly religious, I dont think there are any coincidences in this "game". I think it has been planned for years and is leading up to the end of the game within the next couple of years. There will only be more population-reducing strategies as the time goes on. Epidemics are usually tested in some 3rd world country where there is little chance of them affecting the 'home' population but this epidemic in Germany is a wake up call and suggests to me that things are past the 'test' stage now and beginning in earnest.

On a different note, I thought you may be interested in the response a friend of mine got from an email to the ICRP about being a responsible organisation and opening up their reports to the public.


Due to the massive amounts of radiation leaking freely from the Fukushima reactors, and
the unbelievable amounts of irradiated water (720,000 terabecquerels of radioactive substances.
Tera stands for one trillion) reported 04 June 2011 by the Japan Broadcasting Corporation at and about to be dumped into the world's oceans,
don't you think it would be a caring and responsible thing to do to offer your reports free to the public?
Reports that would inform and educate the public how they can safely manage their forthcoming
danger from this radiation and ways in which they can minimise the adverse health effects of this..

I think the world would very much like to see a responsible and pro-active response
from group such as yourselves to the Fukushima disaster. Unless of course you are
a front for and in bed with the nuclear industry and in whose interests you have to
conduct your business.

Their reply received today.

On April 4, 2011 we made ICRP Publication 111, Application of the Commission’s Recommendations to the Protection of People Living in Long-term Contaminated Areas after a Nuclear Accident or a Radiation Emergency, available for free download. See

As an independent not-for-profit organisation (formally a registered charity) with limited resources we rely on the sales of our publications to help fund our continuing work. With additional funding we could make all of our publications freely available, indeed this is a very high priority for us, but raising funds while carefully safeguarding our independence is a challenge. I am open to constructive suggestions.

Christopher Clement CHP
Scientific Secretary
International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP)
280 Slater Street
Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5S9

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 07:44 PM
Last of 4 new vids...this one is also less than a minute...At the very end, what are those men doing? TIA


posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 08:10 PM
reply to post by Destinyone

Originally posted by Destinyone
New Fukushima video...starts with people in command center? Then maybe the rest from robo helicopter? WOW the exterior damage looks terrible, also, a lot of men working very close to reactors.


Is that reactor 3?

That messed up melted down bunch of iron girders and single wall standing just before the minute mark in the video? Because if it is I see no RPV inside. Surely it would be visible at least in silhouette.

The camera does not linger on it for long either. Not at all. Just the briefest moment.

posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 08:20 PM
reply to post by Tallone

I'm not sure Tallone, you could be right. I could only find these 4 vids, by same person. They appear to be taken with a cell phone. I'll keep trying to find R-3 for a comparison. I'm hoping others here will take a gander at them. TY.


posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 08:52 PM

Originally posted by matadoor
reply to post by Purplechive

It's funny, but what I simply can't believe is that none of these nuke scientists have a real clue as to what is going to happen once they breach containment.

I've read and heard so many conflicting arguments that it's tough to decide who is right or wrong.

And, no one has had this happen before, not like this. And, once containment is breached, they won't be able to get anything in there that can look to see what's happening, other than a robot that once it's inside, can't ever leave again, since where it will go is so very radioactive that the robot itself would become part of the tomb.

Is the concrete cracked? Yep, everyone thinks so because water is sure leaking out.

Will it hold up the the heat and weight of a completely melted core, and if so for how long? Will the core itself spread out, allowing the mass to spread out like lava, which would also cool down the reaction some?

Again, it's never happened before, no one really knows, and they have no way to get into the buildings to really see what's happening other than a robot suicide mission...

Edit, because I watched the movie Space Camp last night, and all I can picture is "Jinx" the robot saying "I will go into the reactor and save MAX"!!!

edit on 6-6-2011 by matadoor because: Space Camp reference...

It has happened before. I will post the link for the second time this week.

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