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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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TOKYO — In a stuffy room at the headquarters of the Tokyo Electric Power Co., many of the 250 Japanese journalists were furious at the executives lined up in crisp blue uniforms.


It looks like that there may be some brittleness to the normal calm demeanor amongst the Japanese:

Reporters, protesters, evacuees and others are increasingly showing anger and losing their trust in Japanese authorities, who for years could count on an apathetic public to let them take care of things behind the scenes.

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Many reporters asked why the executives should stay on after the company reported losses this fiscal year of $15 billion — one of the biggest financial disasters ever for Japan’s corporate world.


This event is and will be affecting our civilization on a scale with which we are scarcely familiar. It will change cultures:

Long known for their deference to elders and bosses, many Japanese are increasingly disparaging leaders on chat sites and social media such as Mixi, a sort of Japanese version of Facebook.


It will strengthen some while it weakens others:

The Atomic Energy Society of Japan, a nationwide conference of nuclear scientists, said the authorities “are seen holding back information and have lost credibility.”

Japan’s elite financial newspaper, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, has joined the criticism.


Lack of information flow between agencies can be seen to be figure largely in the outcome we have seen:

He (chief Cabinet secretary Yukio Edan) said that an official at the prime minister’s office failed to give them a fax detailing a computer simulation of how radiation likely would spread from reactors damaged by the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and a 50-foot-high tsunami.


Which official was it that did not hand over this fax and why was it withheld?

Here we see again reference to a kneeling apology:

Along with Tepco officials, Mr. Kan has borne the brunt of public fury. During several visits to evacuation shelters in Fukushima prefecture, Mr. Kan went on his knees to accept criticism from angry residents who fear they will never be able to return home.


I know there is a degree of difference between a bowing apology and a kneeling one, could anyone with knowledge of the culture comment to this aspect of the story?
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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It is called 'saikerei' - a most respectful bow - second paragraph from the end:

www.picturetokyo.com...



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok

Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny
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I cant stomach any more innocents being put at risk, or written off. If this went bang and killed another load of kids, let alone mine I couldnt accept that. How the hell do people cope with war and suffering every day, I have no idea.

In answer to your question, Ild rather be shot 5 times every day for 5 days, than 25 times at once. Then again, ive never been shot...so. Put it this way, Ild rather get through 5 quakes which were a 6, than one which was a 9.



innocent is a difficult condition to apply applicably, but the reactor at fukushima is no in the town of fukushima, and as math is not your strong point the object of my metaphor is that fukushima is spewing a lot of radioactivity every day .... it every bit of it was blown to smithereens today , no civilians would be killed , the 24/7 radiation would stop and in a few hour on one day the dust/radiation levels would be 5 to 7 times higher than normal , but then they would drop rapidly as the source of their creation was destroyed , so by leaving FUKU as it is everyone is getting exposed more everyday IN THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE.
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Silverlok, you are very kind for explaining this to my mathmatically challenged self, but my gosh you are a cold one! Innocent meaning children. Im pretty innocent in all of this. I live in Tokyo, I have been here not raping Japan economically, just stuck here because I fell in love with someone from here. Im married to someone who is in a pretty much unharmful industry and who is a wage slave. We pay our taxes - a lot of them, we dont commit crimes. Im not the only person here who is `innocent` in all of this, and does not deserve a hunk of burning nuclear shrapnel through their window. My kids, who are all under 12, are all innocent.

I would say that little girl whose body was pulled out of the wreck of her kindergarten bus by her mother was innocent, after the tsunami. People like that, Silverlok. All pretty innocent, and human and not at all deserving of being blown sky high.

5 to 7 times higher for a while! Whose to say this 5 to 7 times higher level would not be deadly, more deadly than low grade radiation while they cool it down! Call me a bleeding heart if you must, but hell...I really dont fancy it! You cant blame me. Asking me to choose between me and my kids being gentle irradiated for an extended period, or highly irradiated for a shorter period to help save American lives....Ummmm....sorry. No deal!!!



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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It is a formulaic response, meaningless.

The formal on your knees, head touching the floor blow combined with the keigo formal Japanese `moshiwake arimasen` is like a magic formula. Do this, and you appear truely sorry and all is and has to be forgiven. There are different sorries, all grades of sorry. The deeper the bow, and more formal the language the more is forgiven.

Kan was not doing a formal apology. His head was not on the floor from what I can see. He was merely sitting seiza, on his knees. This shelter, those pile of boxes is that people`s house. When you are in someone`s house you sit like that, on your knees, it is polite. Standing up in their house would have been impolite, so would making them rise. He was just sitting down for a chat. People might well have sofa`s but Japanese still sit seiza. I forget which words he used to apologise. Ill have a look for the youtube and find out what he said in Japanese if anyone is interested how sorry he said he was.

When people start committing suicide here, we know how sorry they are.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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If Japan or a large portion of it has to be highly irradiated, then people need to be moved. Noone innocent here should be expected to sacrifice their health or life in this.

Open borders to Japanese if you want them to risk potentially blowing up Fukushima and irradiating a large portion of Japan by entombing it right away. Which is never going to happen, is it. So...I guess we all sit here will Fukushima blows more crap into the air.

Believe me I want this over, but not at the cost of more lives in yet another big disaster. People have suffered enough.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny



I cant stomach any more innocents.... shorter period to help save American lives....Ummmm....sorry. No deal!!!

Well perhaps the intelligence issue stems from not reading carefully as I have answered your question 3 times and still you ignore the answers in there fullness but you are clearly not Japanese as your focus on language is not correct ...

we do not have a deal in any event , fukushima is killing all of japan , if you live there listen or look away as you will, but do not expect sympathy for one whom does not listen to the answers they have asked for .

your conclusion is ridiculous , short sighted and nonsensical , and in the interest of this thread ignoring you violating the T&C on this web site , since your opinion does not address or add to the topic after repeated posts I'll give you a line you're looking for " there are no innocence"

you say you are stupid , well your sentence structure says otherwise , but I digress because your arguments are.

In VERY SHORT

I advocate ending the radioactive pollution of of environment . right fn NOW
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny
If Japan or a large portion of it has to be highly irradiated, then people need to be moved. Noone innocent here should be expected to sacrifice their health or life in this.

Open borders to Japanese if you want them to risk potentially blowing up Fukushima and irradiating a large portion of Japan by entombing it right away. Which is never going to happen, is it. So...I guess we all sit here will Fukushima blows more crap into the air.

Believe me I want this over, but not at the cost of more lives in yet another big disaster. People have suffered enough.


Japan is already highly irradiated

(hey mods and everyone , does the word super shill mean anything to you ?)
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:08 AM
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No, all of Japan is not highly irradiated. Tokyo is not highly irradiated. Nor is any of the south. Fukushima is, and there are a few areas, like Ibaraki which I would not go to for any reason right now.

Sacrificing the few here, for the many, is not something that would sit well with me. Sacrificing my children and my own life blowing that thing up would not be acceptable to me. There are real people here whose lives mean anything.

Im no shill. I just dont fancy bits of irradiated shrapnel flying round if that thing is entombed and blows up, which could and would kill INNOCENT people.

I dont belong here. Im not American, and my interests are not there either. My interests are wholly 3 children here who I am desperate to not get sick or die.

Good luck everyone and bye.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny
reply to post by Silverlok
 


No, all of Japan is not highly irradiated. Tokyo is not highly irradiated. Nor is any of the south. Fukushima is, and there are a few areas, like Ibaraki which I would not go to for any reason right now.

Sacrificing the few here, for the many, is not something that would sit well with me. Sacrificing my children and my own life blowing that thing up would not be acceptable to me. There are real people here whose lives mean anything.

Im no shill. I just dont fancy bits of irradiated shrapnel flying round if that thing is entombed and blows up, which could and would kill INNOCENT people.

I dont belong here. Im not American, and my interests are not there either. My interests are wholly 3 children here who I am desperate to not get sick or die.

Good luck everyone and bye.


Really Japan is not highly irradiated? what do you base that information on ? after almost 900 pages in this thread and months of research on our end?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok

Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny
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No, all of Japan is not highly irradiated. Tokyo is not highly irradiated. Nor is any of the south. Fukushima is, and there are a few areas, like Ibaraki which I would not go to for any reason right now.

Sacrificing the few here, for the many, is not something that would sit well with me. Sacrificing my children and my own life blowing that thing up would not be acceptable to me. There are real people here whose lives mean anything.

Im no shill. I just dont fancy bits of irradiated shrapnel flying round if that thing is entombed and blows up, which could and would kill INNOCENT people.

I dont belong here. Im not American, and my interests are not there either. My interests are wholly 3 children here who I am desperate to not get sick or die.

Good luck everyone and bye.


Really Japan is not highly irradiated? what do you base that information on ? after almost 900 pages in this thread and months of research on our end?


It is simply not true that the whole of Japan is highly irradiated. You make this claim, show your sources and where you have taken radiation readings from over a wide distance of Japan to come to this conclusion.

No doubt there are some very hot areas around Fuku and no one has any idea of the scale of water contamination of the coast but your claim that the whole of JP is highly irradiated is wild and without factual basis.

If I am wrong show me hard figures to prove it.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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M 4.8, near the east coast of Honshu, Japan
36.788°N 140.402°E

Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:56:43 UTC
Thursday, May 26, 2011 07:56:43 PM at epicenter

Depth: 58.90 km (36.60 mi)



Posted on 26 May 2011 | 10:56 am



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Perhaps a clearer statement would be all of Honshu is irradiated. Hotspots have been found in suburbs of Tokyo as well as north of the Fukushima array which are FAR outside the exclusion zone.

The single sole reason all of Honshu is not glowing in the effing dark is offshore winds and unless they get those damn things capped off when the winds change to onshore it's going to make the original meltdowns and rad releases look like a leaky microwave (as far as the Japanese are concerned).



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by SFA437
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Perhaps a clearer statement would be all of Honshu is irradiated. Hotspots have been found in suburbs of Tokyo as well as north of the Fukushima array which are FAR outside the exclusion zone.

The single sole reason all of Honshu is not glowing in the effing dark is offshore winds and unless they get those damn things capped off when the winds change to onshore it's going to make the original meltdowns and rad releases look like a leaky microwave (as far as the Japanese are concerned).


Good to see you again SFA...meaning to ask you this. There has been for this past week, new activity at Fukushima Daiichi, in the form of large black military helicopters. They've been making rapid low flight passes over the reactors, and below them, over the ground/brush in front of the reactors. No hovering, very fast clean passes. Any take on your part, as to their intent? Also, TIS, who lives in Tokyo has been u2u me about a lot of the same activity over her neck of the woods in Tokyo. I can send you her descriptions via u2u if you'd like. TIA

Des
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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mdn.mainichi.jp...

TEPCO fears leaks after level of contaminated water in disposal facility drops


The No. 3 reactor building of the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant is pictured in this photo courtesy of TEPCO.
Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) said on May 26 that it had discovered a drop in the level of contaminated water kept in the basement of a building near troubled nuclear reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant, but the utility said the possibility was low of the toxic water leaking out of the facility.

TEPCO, the operator of the crippled nuclear power plant, said the level of contaminated water kept in the basement of a building within the central waste disposal facility near the crippled nuclear reactors had dropped by about five centimeters in one day. The water was transported to the building from the No. 3 nuclear reactor. TEPCO said its analysis showed no change in ground water on the premises, and therefore it said, "The possibility is low of the water leaking out of the facility."

More at the link...



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by AlaskanDad


Fukushima Considered for Nuclear Graveyard



Japan’s atomic energy specialists are discussing a plan to make the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant a storage site for radioactive waste from the crippled station run by Tokyo Electric Power Co.

The Atomic Energy Society of Japan is considering the proposal, and building a repository would cost several trillion yen, Muneo Morokuzu, a professor of energy and environmental public policy at the University of Tokyo, said in an interview yesterday. The society comprises more than 7,000 nuclear researchers and engineers and makes recommendations to the government on atomic energy policy.

“We are involved in intense talks on the cleanup of the Dai-Ichi plant and construction of nuclear waste storage facilities at the site is one option,” said Morokuzu, one of 50 people on a cleanup panel that includes observers from Tokyo Electric and the Trade Ministry.

www.bloomberg.com...




Thank you for sharing this news as maddening as it is. When are they going to quit trying to figure out how to make money off this disaster and cap this place, as much as it can be capped?

A lead box around Fukushima Daiichi that also encases underground past the china syndrome would be real handy about now.

This part of the island of Japan has sunk further into the Pacific because of this earthquake. Geologists also tell us, this wasn't "the big one." Japan still has, in geological terms, a bigger earthquake that is ripe to happen. How is this location even in consideration? Are we this desperate with nowhere to store the world's nuclear waste that we would consider this to be a good candidate location for 26,000 year radiation storage? Is economic development still driving this ship? It has so far.

The last earthquake demonstrated that NO nuclear power plants in the world along fault lines or even close to where an earthquake of some magnitude could strike - are safe. The safety inspection of all plants that just took place post-Japan is useless since the standards of earthquake safety provided for by the industry and their equipment, failed.

The problem is that the "problem solvers" in this disaster are allowing themselves to be controlled by other interests - the biggest of which is "how we gonna make money." Under normal circumstances, folks don't care if you make a buck/yen/pick one or so off of them as long as you are doing a service and not cheating. This is top of the list furthest thing from normal circumstances you can get on the nuclear scale, not normal, and climbing. I for one don't want to live in TEPCO's new normal world. This needs to stop.

This is an on-going nuclear disaster. People don't know how to react because they are overwhelmed by this invisible killer, Shock is still there. The off shore winds and obfuscations have lulled world citizens into denial that surely, by now, the situation was in hand. Indeed it was reported as such three days ago. The nuclear disaster at Fukushima remains out of control. Guess what's next dear nuclear industry? Anger is next. Rage. Rage at the circumstances. Rage at the cover-ups and downplaying of this nuclear nightmare that has been well documented by those who maintained the vigil.

These are 24/7 dirty bombs going off in Japan. Huge, accumulating, radiating, spewing dirty bombs. And the Atomic Energy Society of Japan members are thinking about how to make money in storage units on this piece of real estate instead?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok

Originally posted by ThousandIslandSunny
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What WOULD work then, -snip-. Is this right?



entombment would work but they have not done so
A) because they are ( well were until last week) hoping to salvage something from fuku
and
b) it would show that the plant had /has serious , serious problems ( remember the JApanese government and TEpCO have basically consigned 3,000,000 people in and around fukushima to a slow and painful death sentence, knowingly by their own admissions, so for entomnment to be moving forward it would "set the idea of dire consequences in concrete " so to speak...

NOW what can be done is lead carbonate ( PbCO3 ) or lead sugar (lead (II) acetate (Pb(CH3COO)2)) being added to the leaking cooling water in the cores /cv's this should cause the lead to precipitate out at the Hotest points and thus begin accumulating over the masses of corium /poolium . this will eventual increase the thermal and radioactive intensity of the masses ( driving them down ) but should also help shield the radioactively while at the same time reducing the steam flashover problem (from surface water, sub surface water may still cause an explosion) once the radiation levels are down a bit ( although the temps will be up ) TEpco should get radiators/heat exchangers in the basement water ( preferably plastic ones ) and then begin cooling , once the water temperature is low enough begin dumping concrete in the basements and cv/rpv's .

at the same time tepco should be digging a seawall barricade and building a "brick" wall around each reactor at least ten feet from the current reactor walls that they can begin filling with concrete .

some of the problems are that part of the torus ( sv) actually runs outside the reactor building proper ( under teh interchange building between the reactors and the turbine buildings) and the "hot" water pumping into the turbine building(which) I think Tepco can and does control


edit: I realize I should clarify : yes heat is a problem for explosion , but only if the hot mass can come into contact with something much ,much cooler(this is the controlled melt down theory that Tepco has been using ) , and no it cannot be like an atomic explosion (steam explosions can be impressive but several orders of magnitude smaller than atomic explosions ) , and unfortunately multiple constantly running radioactive aerosol generating nuclear meltdowns and waste pools are a bigger threat to the entire northern hemisphere than a ( or two or three ) local explosion(s) at fukushima , which is screwed for a very very long time anyway ( look to the aboriginal Australians if you want to see how well 'topsoil replacement' is going to work) , would be
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Thank you for these ideas. Have you seen any new sources of what the underground bedrock or excavation of this plant could look like - pre and post quake/tsunami? At one point, information on seawater radiation was coming out fast enough that there was some correlation seen between the tides and radiation levels at the plant. My concern is would this process seal/cap exposure that is going on in the potentially swiss cheese like underground bedrock where poolium that "may" have leaked out of containment may be sitting?

The entombment above may still leave groundwater/tunnel/possible tidal access to the poolium open beneath. How can they start to "entomb" that part of this or can a top/down approach reach and seal/entomb these openings too? Thanks for the explanations in your posts. I'm so glad someone is thinking about possible solutions to this disaster.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by SFA437
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Perhaps a clearer statement would be all of Honshu is irradiated. Hotspots have been found in suburbs of Tokyo as well as north of the Fukushima array which are FAR outside the exclusion zone.

The single sole reason all of Honshu is not glowing in the effing dark is offshore winds and unless they get those damn things capped off when the winds change to onshore it's going to make the original meltdowns and rad releases look like a leaky microwave (as far as the Japanese are concerned).


Good to see you again SFA...meaning to ask you this. There has been for this past week, new activity at Fukushima Daiichi, in the form of large black military helicopters. They've been making rapid low flight passes over the reactors, and below them, over the ground/brush in front of the reactors. No hovering, very fast clean passes. Any take on your part, as to their intent? Also, TIS, who lives in Tokyo has been u2u me about a lot of the same activity over her neck of the woods in Tokyo. I can send you her descriptions via u2u if you'd like. TIA

Des
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They are probably doing photo recon at Fukushima. The drones are OK but don't have the ability to carry very large lenses. A Blackhawk can be fitted with all kinds of visible / IR imaging devices and considering the quick overflights I'd say somone is getting their own look at things.

The ones IVO Tokyo are probably sniffers, similar to what the US NEST teams use. Between TEPCO trying to cover everything up and say "All is fine and under control" and the GoJ parroting this then pointing fingers when it turns out false my SWAG is that either the JSDF or perhaps even the US military wants to know what is really going on.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Thank you SFA...this is a snippet from a u2u from TIS in Tokyo. She said this is all new activity, and a lot of it this past week. This this is not normal, and they don't live on/near a flight path in Tokyo. I told her they might be collecting air samples. It was the only thing I could think of.

"It is very busy in the sky above here. Just looked it up, they look like Chinook 147`s. Ill try and get photos."

Images www.google.com... Chinook 147.

ETA: my thinking on the Fukushima activity is they are non-Japanese military helicopters too. Plenty of U.S. military based in Japan.

Des

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by SFA437
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Perhaps a clearer statement would be all of Honshu is irradiated. Hotspots have been found in suburbs of Tokyo as well as north of the Fukushima array which are FAR outside the exclusion zone.

The single sole reason all of Honshu is not glowing in the effing dark is offshore winds and unless they get those damn things capped off when the winds change to onshore it's going to make the original meltdowns and rad releases look like a leaky microwave (as far as the Japanese are concerned).


Indeed, there have been hotspots all over where chunks of fuel have landed, air currents have carried larger amounts of particulate etc etc but even to say the whole of Northern Japan is going too far IMO. You are right, they have been incredibly lucky with the prevailing winds and who knows what the levels would be like without but there are a huge amount of open source dosimeters that show most of the rads are localised to Fuku and Ibaraki, with the odd hotspot outside of their.

IMO what is of much more concern is the groundwater and the ocean. The ocean has no public domain readings and TEPCO on GoJ have not allowed anyone anywhere near the place to get any accurate readings, the few readings there are from a long way out suggest the possibility of some major problems in coastal waters.

I mean, where else is the fill and spill going?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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The ugly truth leaks as fast as the radiation now.... Please excuse messed up format, I tried to fix it...but couldn't



Nuke water in Japan concerns Greenpeace
Published: May 26, 2011 at 8:48 AM


Confirming what we've known for a long time.


TOKYO, May 26 (UPI) -- The level of radiation in seaweed, fish and shellfish along the Japanese coast near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is severe, Greenpeace says.

Yes, you are reading this right...50 times higher than the Gov't safe levels...


Environmental group Greenpeace said it sent seaweed, fish and shellfish samples to European labs for testing that confirmed higher-than-anticipated radiation levels. Greenpeace said the data show radiation levels in seaweed is 50 times higher than what is considered safe.



No #z...


The group's data suggest contaminated water is still leaking from the nuclear plant.


Amen!!!


"It is not enough for the authorities to keep putting Band-Aids on each problem as it appears," the group said in a statement.

Read more: www.upi.com...


Des


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