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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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It would seem all the enthusiasm earlier in the week over reactor 1 was premature.

Water leaking from No.1 reactor


Tokyo Electric Power Company says water may be leaking from a hole in the No.1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, causing a sharp drop in the water level inside the reactor.


NHK

This along with the other leak they fixed and also a story I have so far only found in Japanese, about how the new revelations on 1 have lead them to rethink their present plan to work there, makes it look like back to the drawing board TEPCO.

Japanese story on rethinking present work on 1.

It seems they fixed the gauges and find that the water in the pressure vessel is 1meter below where the bottom of the fuel rods should be. But not to worry, they are sure it is being cooled in a puddle at the bottom of the vessel. (puddle being my word....it seems they are reluctant to use that word)

NHK Rethink work on 1
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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Originally posted by Hugues de Payens
reply to post by BobAthome
 


See the edit to my above post......I guess Bob it really depends on what the question really is. Are we asking about the potential for steam from a core melt or could radioactive fall out cause the ground to be hot enough to cause steam?

The answer is dependent upon the question.



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The 2nd one. It was just something I was pondering. Could the contamination of the soil become so great that enough heat is produced to make steam from the ground water, if at all.


Radioactive isotopes do not produce heat. So the answer is no.

But if the area around the soil is under tremendous heat, like say from an overheated nuclear plant in meltdown mode, then yes the heat could transfer to the surrounding ground causing steam to rise from the soil due to the evaporation process.



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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www.nrc.gov/public-involve/public-meetings/index.cfm?fuseaction=Search.Detail&MC=20110266


[Webcast]

Commission Meeting - Briefing on the Progress of Task Force Review of NRC Processes and Regulations Following the Events in Japan.

Meeting Date(s) & Time(s)

05/12/11
09:30AM

(...)


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2011/05/12 10:59 KST
S. Korea's food imports from Japan plummet amid radiation fears


english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/05/12/24/0302000000AEN20110512004800320F.HTML


SEOUL, May 12 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's food imports from Japan plunged this month as radiation fears cut demand after the deadly earthquake crippled the Fukushima nuclear power plant, data showed Thursday.

South Korea has imported a daily average of 75 tons of food from Japan so far this month, down 74.4 percent from a month earlier, according to the data by the Korea Food and Drug Administration (KFDA).

(...)



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by burikun
It would seem all the enthusiasm earlier in the week over reactor 1 was premature.

Water leaking from No.1 reactor


Tokyo Electric Power Company says water may be leaking from a hole in the No.1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, causing a sharp drop in the water level inside the reactor.


NHK

This along with the other leak they fixed and also a story I have so far only found in Japanese, about how the new revelations on 1 have lead them to rethink their present plan to work there, makes it look like back to the drawing board TEPCO.

Japanese story on rethinking present work on 1.

It seems they fixed the gauges and find that the water in the pressure vessel is 1meter below where the bottom of the fuel rods should be. But not to worry, they are sure it is being cooled in a puddle at the bottom of the vessel. (puddle being my word....it seems they are reluctant to use that word)

NHK Rethink work on 1
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So, they repair the gauges for reactor 1 and find there has been a full meltdown with possible (probable) breach of containment.

All plans for this unit are now stopped and need to be rethought!

Bloomberg report



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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So...what the hell is going on? Live feed showing emergency broadcast signal?




posted on May, 12 2011 @ 05:51 AM
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Tropical storm Aere is predicted to pass due east of the plant in less than 24 hours.

www.wunderground.com...

This would be a particularly bad time for large airborne emissions to occur from the plant as the winds will be blowing *strongly* to the inland as the storm nears the plant.



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 06:27 AM
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'From TEPCO Presser May 12 AM (Part 1): "We Have No Idea Where the Water Went" from Reactor 1 RPV/Containment Vessel'

ex-skf.blogspot.com...

This is extremely strong evidence that there is a major breach of both the pressure vessel and the outer containment vessel, with a good percentage of the corium eating down into bedrock under reactor 1.

This is not a stable situation and IMHO we could expect a major steam explosion at any time.



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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rt news saying reactor 1 is in full meltdown.
:-(



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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Agence France Presse - May 12, 2011
Singapore eases travel advisory to Japan


www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_667854.html


SINGAPORE on Thursday lifted its advisory against non-essential travel to Japan but urged citizens to still avoid going to areas hardest hit by the giant tsunami and earthquake that struck in March.

'We no longer advise against non-essential travel to Japan,' a foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement.

(...)


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Edano apologizes over new radioactive water leak into sea

Thursday 12th May, 01:55 PM JST


www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/edano-apologizes-over-new-radioactive-water-leak-into-sea


TOKYO —

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Thursday that a new leak of radioactive water into the sea from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was ‘‘very deplorable’’ and offered his apologies to neighboring countries and others who may be affected.

(...)

© 2011 Kyodo News. All rights reserved. No reproduction or republication without written permission.



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Just uploaded to utube regarding R1. do not pass go, do not collect $200. TEPCO back to square one. reboot, try again.


Daiichi Reactor 1 In Full Meltdown And Now Leaking Along With Reactor 3 12.05.11

www.youtube.com...[youtube]

Thanks all for kind words, I'll keep up my part of the quest. Could someone please upload this for me...TIA

Des

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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Slipping fuel rods...TEPCO'S new catch phrase....this is how they slip idiots....bah.




M 4.6, off the east coast of Honshu, Japan
39.746°N 143.276°E

Thursday, May 12, 2011 09:46:37 UTC
Thursday, May 12, 2011 07:46:37 PM at epicenter

Depth: 36.30 km (22.56 mi)

Posted on 12 May 2011 | 9:46 am
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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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While It seams the msm has moved on from this,the unprecedented environmental catastrophy still unfolds affecting the entire globe, no official up-to -date information on radiation exposure levels is available for the public,as long as its business as usual for our governments
thanks for the updates guys!
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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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The TEPCO rhetoric is getting further from reality. This story needs completely rewritten. The facts need stated with the interpretation of the situation done by an independent expert without the TEPCO spin. Compare then, the reality as we know it - with how TEPCO is trying to explain away the reality.


TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Water inside the troubled No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was at an unexpectedly low level, not enough to cover the nuclear fuel, hinting that a large part of the fuel melted after being fully exposed, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday based on data obtained by adjusted gauges.

But the plant operator said the water at the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel holding the fuel is keeping the melted fuel cool, assuring that the company is succeeding in preventing the reactor's fuel from overheating by injecting water from outside.


Read full article

This is textbook cover-up 101. State a fact like "the fuel melted after being fully exposed."

And then end with this:


Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said even if the container is not flooded with water, creating a system that would enable coolant to circulate around the reactor is possible by using the water that now exists inside the vessel and primary container.



While,yes Mr. Nishiyama, it may be possible to enable coolant to circulate around the reactor - the answer is extremely misleading if fissionsing fuel has escaped the reactor and now the bedrock is the containment vessel - in what reality is that suggestion a solution or even a relevant observation to share? This is an attempt to misdirect perceptions about the situation as to still be within their control. The barn door is open - the horse is out and has already done an around the world in 60 days trip.

"What you talking about Willis?"

Morning collective brain cells - as Des would say. ETA: You're back! Get 'em Momma.

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Originally posted by Maluhia
reply to post by DancedWithWolves
 


So the editorial says this:



The accident at the Fukushima plant is very different from the Chernobyl nuclear crisis. The Chernobyl accident occurred while nuclear fission was under way but the Fukushima crisis took place after nuclear fission had been stopped.


I'm no expert, couldn't tell an isotope from an icicle, but I think this physics professor at Tokyo University disagrees:

Chain Reactions Reignited At Fukushima After Tsunami, Says New Study




Radioactive byproducts indicate that nuclear chain reactions must have been burning at the damaged nuclear reactors long after the disaster unfolded



However, the data from the drain near reactor 2 and from the cooling pond at reactor 4, where spent fuel rods are stored, indicate that the reactions must have been burning much later.

"The data of the water samples from the unit-4 cooling pool and from the sub-drain near the unit-2 reactor show anomaly which may indicate, if they are correct, that some of these fission products were produced by chain nuclear reactions reignited after the earthquake," he says
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Thank you for adding evidence. Much appreciated.

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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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The video...




posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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Tropical Storm Aere's latest track




Source

Advisories


subj/tropical cyclone warning//
rmks/
1. Tropical storm 03w (aere) warning nr 023
01 active tropical cyclone in northwestpac
Max sustained winds based on one-minute average wind radii valid over open water only
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warning position:
111800z --- near 29.8n 132.0e
movement past six hours - 050 degrees at 26 kts
position accurate to within 060 nm
position based on center located by satellite
present wind distribution:
Max sustained winds - 035 kt, gusts 045 kt
wind radii valid over open water only
becoming extratropical
repeat posit: 29.8n 132.0e




This is the final warning on this system by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (navmarfcstcen). The system will be closely monitored for signs of regeneration. Maximum significant wave height at 111800z is 15 feet.//



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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Copyright 2011 Jiji Press Ltd.
All Rights Reserved
Jiji Press Ticker Service

May 12, 2011 Thursday 12:02 AM JST

(Update) Fukushima N-Plant's Tainted Water Leaks into Sea (fulltext of jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011051200002)


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Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday highly radioactive water temporarily leaked into the sea apparently from the No. 3 reactor at its crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power station.

At around 10:30 a.m. (1:30 a.m. GMT), a plant worker at the nuclear plant in northeastern Japan noticed the sound of a suspicious water flow on his way to work near a water intake of the No. 3 reactor.

It was confirmed later that radioactive water was running from power cable pipes into a pit near the water intake and that the water was leaking into the sea, Tokyo Electric officials said.

At around 6:45 p.m., Tokyo Electric stopped the water flow into the pit and the sea mainly by sealing the pit with concrete, the officials said.

In front of the intake, there are silt fences the company installed in an effort to prevent radioactive water from spreading in the sea.

Following the detection of the latest leak, water radioactivity levels stood at 4,090 becquerels per cubic centimeter inside the fences and 2,296 becquerels outside them.

The figures are very high given that water samples collected from around the water intake have so far recorded several becquerels, the officials said.

Water inside the pit, which is 2.3 meters deep, was found to have contained 79,400 becquerels per cubic centimeter of radioactive substances, including 37,000 becquerels, about 620,000 times the government-set limit, of cesium-134.

The contaminated water is believed to have come from the turbine building of the No. 3 reactor.

But radiation levels on the surface of the water inside the pit were 1.5 millisieverts per hour, far lower than 750 millisieverts recorded by water inside the basement of the building.

Tokyo Electric will investigate further to identify the reasons for the difference and confirm the source of the tainted water, the officials said.

A similar water leakage occurred previously near a water intake of the No. 2 reactor.

Since the incident, Tokyo Electric has checked to see whether water was leaking into the sea from other reactors. But the pit near the No. 3 reactor went unchecked because such work was difficult due to rubble.


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New data show greater than expected damage to 1 reactor at Japan’s nuke plant
By Associated Press


www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-data-show-greater-than-expected-damage-to-1-reactor-at-japans-nuke-plant/2011/05/12/AFjxLoxG_story.html


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They said Thursday the findings indicate it is likely that partially melted fuel rods inside Unit 1 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant had fallen to the bottom of pressure vessel and possibly into the larger containment vessel soon after the March 11 quake and tsunami.

Nuclear Safety and Industrial Agency officials say that there was no danger that the chunks of fuel were still hot or that they could melt through the concrete base of the reactor.

(...)



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Has anybody ever said where all of the TONS of water they keep pumping into the reactors is going? Are they catching it and recycling it for cooling purposes? Doubtful in my humble opinion, since most if not all of the infrastructure is in total collapse. Bad day to be flipper...



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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That is one angry, frustrated man and who can blame him! The whole situation just beggars belief. I cannot understand why all the nuclear experts in the world aren't involved in this, trying to get the situation under control. Governments are so good at preaching about the dangers of cigarettes, alcohol, junk food etc and yet they let something on this scale continue unabated. Bloody hypocrites!
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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Working on it Silver. Here is the link to the 2006 archives, oldest in the bunch, so it does seem to date back that far.

glasstone.blogspot.com...

Nigel Cook...one of his other sites on Quantum field Theory...also some very interesting data on Fukushima Daiichi with nice diagrams. . quantumfieldtheory.org...

Link to one of his emails regarding gravity...


Thursday, March 23, 2006

From: "Nigel Cook"
To: ; ;
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Simple gravity model

Dear Edwin,

Thanks for these comments. My webpage is currently an online notebook of bits and pieces. I'm going to write up a proper paper from the material, and keep the length to below 100 kb so that Google will search the whole thing (currently it is around 600 kb plus illustrations).
. electrogravity.blogspot.com...


Link to review Nigel left on Amazon of the book "Shame" on the nuclear bomb...



Customer Review www.amazon.com...

14 of 15 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Excellence, June 15, 2003
By
Nigel B. Cook
This review is from: Shame (Paperback)
Dr Samuel Cohen spent his life trying to blunt the forces of disaster, and to turn nuclear weapons into a means of ending all war for once and for all.

Unlike Dr Oppenheimer and Dr Teller, Cohen never acquired the influence to publicise his innovations widely or forcefully enough to reach success.

Motivated by childhood problems and shame, he was able to endure the ridicule and dismissals which were the hallmark of being the inventor of the neutron bomb.

On 11 July 1956, on a barge in the lagoon of Bikini Atoll, a nuclear test codenamed Redwing-Navajo was conducted. The bomb had a total yield of 4.5 megatons, but the surprising thing was that only 5% came from fission. It was 95% clean.

Dr Hans Bethe two years later wrote, in the 27 March 1958 Top Secret - Restricted Data "Report to the NSC Ad Hoc Working Group on the Technical Feasibility of a Cessation of Nuclear Testing" (Bethe was the Working Group Chairman), page 9:

"... certain hard targets require ground bursts, such as airfield runways if it is desired to make a crater, railroad yards if severe destruction of tracks is to be accomplished... The use of clean weapons in strategic situations may be indicated in order to protect the local population."



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Silver, I have his email addy if you want it.....TY for giving me a task to do...it keeps my blithering brain occupied....

Des
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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by CranialSponge

But if the area around the soil is under tremendous heat, like say from an overheated nuclear plant in meltdown mode, then yes the heat could transfer to the surrounding ground causing steam to rise from the soil due to the evaporation process.





So this photo we have been graced with (unless someone else caught a real view of Fukushima during the past 12-24 hours) could be a result of:

a. A permanent fog bank/weather.

b. An attempt to obstruct the view through manipulation of the camera and feed.

or even

c. "if the area around the soil is under tremendous heat, like say from an overheated nuclear plant in meltdown mode, then yes the heat could transfer to the surrounding ground causing steam to rise from the soil due to the evaporation process." as you said.

d. all of the above.

Regardless of the answer - the live feed has been useless...how convenient for them.



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