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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by rbrtj
Why can't they do what I suggested and seal off the intakes and contain the water run off that will keep the crap cooler?


Because they are still pumping seawater... the pictures showing continuous outflow and their concern with blocking the intakes for #2 show that those pumps are still running

Either THAT or the outflow is caused by tide or that underground stream... in any case the water is still puoring out and for some reason no one is asking about that.

Only until Mar 30th did NHK cover that... when the daily figures were going up like an auction. But the whole time we were getting those readings from the outflow, TEPCO kept directing us back to the intake of #2. That 4385 figure was the last report we had untill a few days later when they told us it was now MILLIONS of times higher... After that the news forgot all about the out flows




And this was coming out of #5-6




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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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I know I'm behind the curve on this thread, been trying to catch up on every page. So don't know if I missed this.
So, no one has searched this area before for anyone alive or dead....

Soldiers moved to within 10 km (6 miles) of the Fukushima complex to search for those still missing following the disaster, the first time the military is conducting searches in this area since the plant began leaking radiation after the disaster hit.



As the search for the missing continued, 560 Japanese Self-Defense Force troops began working within a 10 km radius of Fukushima Daiichi, the Defense Ministry said, the first time they have come so close for searches since the crisis began.



Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) has said it may take the rest of the year to bring the nuclear plant back under control.



Unpopular Prime Minister Naoto Kan is facing increasing calls to quit over his handling of the crisis.

The latest blow for Kan came when an adviser on the nuclear crisis quit in protest over the government's decision to set the annual radiation limit at 20 millisieverts per year for school children in Fukushima, a level the adviser said was unacceptably high. (Reporting by Hugh Lawson, Mari Saito and Yoko Kubota; editing by Jonathan Thatcher and Miral Fahmy) www.reuters.com...


Same ole same ole...

Des



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Zorgon, considering we don't have current, accurate data...my gut still says it's tidal action. There is no answer, because TEPCO can't figure a way to control the tides. They're f***ed, and they know it. They'll drag this out until all those who can, grab their dwindling piece of the pie. Everything we are seeing now, is filler...time filler, nothing else.

Des



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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What I am getting to is that they could build a levee around the hot spots and fill them with water while they at least try to seal the intakes and out takes to reduce the outflow then they can filter out the conaminated water.
Be like making the hot spots their own cooling pools inside a larger pool.
Heat goes down and steam goes away.
Granted, they are going to leak under ground, but not as much and hopefully they can take out the radioactive nuclie faster than it is made and eventually get it cooled down and then by this time thay can manage it much like a large cooling pools containg the reactors and the rod storage pools.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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also.. they could build on existing levees out in the bay around the intakes and then close them in from the sea.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Man I think that art is cool and pretty well rendered in the other fellows style they should leave it , perhaps the government of Japan can use it as a symbol of their attempt at re-humanizing themselves.


Already gone --

Japan police end nuclear art stunt


The clandestine add-on image -- painted in a style mimicking that of Okamoto's "Myth of Tomorrow" on display at a busy Tokyo train station -- created a stir on Twitter before police took it down Sunday evening.



An official with the group said "it is problematic to create a link when many people are suffering" between the horror of an atomic bomb explosion and the crisis at the tsunami-hit nuclear plant, the Tokyo Shimbun reported.


yahoo news

Translation - reality is best kept hidden. All is well.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Maluhia
Translation - reality is best kept hidden. All is well.


We haz pictures
We haz internet



Mail it to every Japanese official email you can find
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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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They could just dig a very deep pit in a few days, spray that with a lining and then fill that with the contaminated water. Since their problem is lack of storage, this would be a temp fix. Would be faster to dig the pits than all the other stuff they are doing



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by rbrtj
also.. they could build on existing levees out in the bay around the intakes and then close them in from the sea.


They could do that... that would stop tidal surge. There should also be gates on the intakes and outflows to regulate flow. Now they could tell me they don't have a manual over ride, but it wouldn't be hard to get temp power to those sluice gates (unless they never installed any


The fact that they are not building a dam around the intakes/outflow... the fact that they are so concerned about the intake of #2... tells me there is a reason why they are not doing that.

Ah well time to go out and enjoy the sun shine... before it gets too hot out here



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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"They could just dig a very deep pit in a few days, spray that with a lining..."

What lining would that be?



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Same reason as before man the thermal output of all that fissioning ( but not constant rapid criticality ) mass that just keeps getting larger a the bottom of those reactor basins , they can't re-use the water because it gets too radio active , and hot , so they are STILL doing the cheapest thing possible : ocean cooling, didn't Aeons pull the patent on that ocean as a storage tank rig yet? then we could slap Tepco like good patent trolls.

They could dig some pretty deep trenches fairly quickly with those nifty remote controlled backhoes, take the tanks off of tanker trucks link a few together and stick the cooling units of of refrigerator trucks on them , spray the trenches with the organo silane they already have on site in case of spills , throw a few feet of dirt on top to help radiation shielding and you would have a down and dirty MacGyver cooling unit , they could use a D.E. , Sand or cf138 filtration medium ( standard pool and industrial filtering equipment ) to help reduce the radionuclides and then only have to figure out how to handle and dispose of the waster media when they flush it ...not ideal but better tahn uranium and plutonium fluorcarbons analogs whafting every damn place



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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You know, being a painter, myself, I can tell you, this addition, is great. It's not an easy feat to capture someone's style, and the way he or she, blended the colours and tones, is quite remarkable. It enhances the original, and I'll bet the original artist would be pleased.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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May 5 2011...yeppers...money not going to victims...58 billion yen....hhhmmmmm....


Money not reaching victims / Lack of staff, difficulty in identifying recipients seen behind delay
The Yomiuri Shimbun



Only a tiny fraction of the money donated to help survivors of the Great East Japan Earthquake has made it into the hands of disaster victims nearly two months since the devastation of March 11.

The Japanese Red Cross Society and other entities have sent about 58 billion yen in initial payments to Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures. But less than 10 percent of this amount has actually reached disaster victims, according to investigations by The Yomiuri Shimbun. The standstill has been attributed to lack of staff at local governments as well as difficulty in identifying recipients and informing them the donations are available.


And talk about lame excuses....this takes the cake.

Besides shortages of staff and computers at local governments, many victims have lost their bankbooks and automatic teller machine cards, making it difficult to transfer payments. Reissuing ATM cards and bankbooks can take time.

www.yomiuri.co.jp...

Des



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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We haz pictures We haz internet


Quite true but I don't think that will have much impact on the people of Japan. The pictures on a huge mural in a very busy subway station - kind of "in your face" - is a bit more jarring. Just another example of how the government would prefer to keep the whole incident "out of sight, out of mind"



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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You are so MacGyver. I really, really, really hope they ARE listening to you. Give you a roll of duct tape and bailing wire and you could do miraculous things I'm sure. Keep it coming.
"Cool" idea.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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I have just found this OLD link to a video, in another forum, where there is mention of what happened with the backup generators on the first day of this nightmare. And it's not what we heard here... It's at about 3:10 into the video.
Having followed (and read) this thread from the beginning, I can't remember having seen this posted here before. So, for completeness of the whole thread:

Video



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Tour inside a nuclear plant that never went live. Gadgets, gizmos and more for our collective brain cells. Want to see what is inside.....

Virtual 360 tour of Zwentendorf BWR



The Zwentendorf Nuclear Reactor is a part of Austrian history and, globally, a totally unique monument, bearing testimony to the fact that, in a democracy, politics can and should always work with the will of the people. It is the only completely finished nuclear reactor – even the radioactive nuclear fuel rods had already been stored at the facility – that has never been put online. Only a button needed to be pressed in order for it to go into operation – but that never happened.

On April 4th, 1972, the groundbreaking ceremony was held for the construction of the first Austrian nuclear reactor, a plant in Zwentendorf by the Danube River. Two weeks after this event, a powerful earthquake damaged the foundation, as a result of which, had to be torn down and replaced. The construction of the plant took more than four years.

Mothers’ Hunger Strike. In early 1975, the “Initiative Austrian Nuclear Power Opponents“ was formed, which, at the zenith of the controversy, had more than 500,000 members. In 1977, nine mothers from the state of Vorarlberg who wanted to prevent the trial operations of the Zwentendorf Plant took residence in front of the Austrian Chancellery and began a hunger strike. Their sacrifice aroused a great deal of public interest.

The nuclear power controversy divided the country. On the one side was the fervent anti-nuclear movement; on the other stood the mighty politicians of the country. The Austrian Socialist Party, led by Chancellor Bruno Kreisky, was the dominant political force. It was supported by the unions, industry, and the Chamber of Commerce. Convinced that the majority of Austrians were in favor of the nuclear power plant, Chancellor Kreisky authorized a national referendum to provide a public mandate in reference to commencing the operation of the Zwentendorf Nuclear Reactor. This idea backfired completely.

50.47 % voted against Zwentendorf. On November 5th, 1978, the first national referendum in Austria since 1945 became an event for the history books. The result: 1,606,308 people said “No” to nuclear energy; that was 50.47 percent of the votes cast (1,576,839 voted for the use of nuclear energy). As a result of the Zwentendorf Referendum, in December of 1978, the Austrian National Assembly passed a law prohibiting the use of nuclear energy in Austria (Atomsperrgesetz).

With this law, Zwentendorf and nuclear energy in Austria became historical footnotes.



In 2005, the EVN (one of Austria’s leading energy providers) took over the dormant nuclear reactor and turned it into a training facility, where German nuclear technicians learned how to operate such a reactor. In Zwentendorf, they were able to train in a realistic environment and in areas not normally accessible in an operating plant due to the danger of radioactivity.


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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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No showers. These workers have not had access to any showers???????????? In a radiation hot zone?


After the accident on March 11th, we have been making every effort to
restore the status of the nuclear power stations, and we believe that
improving the living environment and productivity of the workers will lead
to earlier restoration of the condition.
Therefore, we will construct some prefabricated temporary dorms, where
workers will be entering one after another from late June, and organize an
environment so that workers can concentrate on their work.
In addition, until then, the following improvements will be carried out at
the current resident facilities.

1.Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
Due to the high radiation dose around the Main Anti-Earthquake Building,
meals are mainly limited to preservation food. Therefore, from early May,
two meals (lunch and dinner) out of three meals everyday will be served
from Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station Gymnasium as a lunch box
(bento).
Further, this gymnasium will be equipped with double-deck beds before
mid May, with availability of shower.

2.Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station
In regard with the living environment at the administration office, showers will be newly installed by the end of May, and increase the use. In regard of meals, bread (in the morning), bento (at lunch and dinner) is already being served from May 1st.

3.Others
Also at J-Village where people and supplies are relayed, bento will be
served for two meals (lunch and dinner) out of three meals everyday. In
addition, showers will be made partly available by the late May, and
more showers and toilets will be made available by the end of June.



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These working conditions are beyond....bad words...really bad words. Get this stuff in there now...like yesterday. These people are human beings. This is heartbreaking.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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wow... I had never considered that there are more Tepco employees than the ones at Daiichi suffering some bad conditions...they can't just call out for the bento box down the street no more...how many employees at Daini? And how many others are having to work and live in the exclusion zone near the plants?
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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Need eyes on live feed.

Live Feed

Do we have fire/smoke coming out of the bottom right of - I think Unit 2

Anyone else watching this?




Light source noticed on another forum earlier -



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Could they be spraying that much on the outside of 2? ETA large amounts of smoke.steam sporadically ABOVE building 2 as well continues.


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