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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:14 PM
Our favorite moderator Redneck went through tornado alley.

He's okay, see this thread.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:38 PM
Praful Bidwai, Hindustan Times
May 01, 2011
First Published: 21:38 IST(1/5/2011)
Last Updated: 22:40 IST(1/5/2011)

Clear and present danger

The government has shown crass insensitivity towards nuclear safety by announcing on the 25th anniversary of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster that it will go ahead with the Jaitapur atomic power project. This is on a par with the callousness of the statement by India’s ambassador to Japan on Hiroshima Day in 1998, at Hiroshima, that he hopes “the Japanese people will understand” why India had acquired nuclear weapons.

It also mocks safety concerns just when the Fukushima multiple-reactor disaster is unfolding and the plant has released cancer-causing iodine-131 and caesium-137 in quantities similar to those from Chernobyl.

India’s nuclear stance is sharply at odds with that of Germany or Switzerland which are phasing out or cancelling nuclear reactors. The European Union has ordered safety audits on all its 143 reactors lasting several months. Even China has embargoed further reactor construction.

Post-Fukushima, the global nuclear industry’s future appears bleak.

However, the Indian government is recklessly forging ahead with new reactor projects. Its hubris isn’t rooted in the Department of Atomic Energy’s (DAE) technology or experience, but in blind faith in imported reactor designs, such as the French company Areva’s, to be installed at Jaitapur.

But Areva’s European Pressurised Reactor is untested and hasn’t received regulatory approval anywhere, including France.


posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:47 PM
Kan promises temporary homes for all evacuees by mid-August
Sunday 01st May, 03:54 PM JST


Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Sunday that all evacuees affected by the March 11 natural disasters would ‘‘definitely’’ have temporary housing by Japan’s mid-August Obon holiday season.

‘‘We will make it the cabinet’s responsibility to enable everyone who wishes to live in (the temporary housing) to move in by Obon. I will definitely have it done,’’ Kan told a parliament session.

More than 100,000 people are still staying at evacuation centers in various parts of the country more than a month after the devastating earthquake and tsunami hit northeastern and eastern Japan. Kan earlier said the government was ‘‘aiming’’ to make the housing available by Obon.


© 2011 Kyodo News. All rights reserved. No reproduction or republication without written permission.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 05:30 PM
Minute amount of radioactive substances found in breast milk of 7
(Mainichi Japan) May 1, 2011

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A minute amount of radioactive substances have been found in breast milk of seven women in a survey covering 23 women in Tokyo and four other prefectures, including Fukushima and its neighboring Ibaraki, the health ministry said Saturday.



Japan Detects Traces of Radioactive Materials in Breast Milk


Breast milk from seven out of the 23 mothers checked contained 2.2 to 8.0 becquerels of iodine-131 per kilogram, compared with the government-set limit of 100 becquerels for formula milk.


The survey, carried out mainly through obstetrics and gynecology specialists, covered the 23 mothers in their 20s and the 30s in the five prefectures of Fukushima, Ibaraki, Chiba, Saitama and Tokyo. Samples were collected between Sunday and Monday.
Of the four women checked in Fukushima Prefecture, where Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant sits, one recorded 3.5 becquerels of iodine-131 and 2.4 becquerels of cesium-137 per kilogram of breast milk.


posted on May, 1 2011 @ 05:46 PM
reply to post by Chakotay

Thank You Chakotay. Your heads-up, put many questions to rest.


posted on May, 1 2011 @ 09:21 PM

Um, I had to revise my estimate a bit after an epiphany of sorts.

You would have to look at all the images in the thread to see it though.

2- The RPV's lid is -gone-, both the concrete outer access shell and the reactor cap itself. That much us mad bombers firmly agree on.

2- Amended: The top 2/3s if not all of the RPV is flat out gone , the cement access cap or RPV cap may be in the building behind it.

I do not think the reactor body is in the building behind it though.

I think I'll move from concerned to out right worried.


5.W.T.**** - Where is the missing RPV body resting at?

You may now make jokes about me being a bit slow. *sigh* I should have seen this earlier.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Moshpet because: I'm old, slow and sometimes not clear headed enough.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 09:40 PM
Hey folks, The Prez is getting ready to make an announcement from the White House right now. Tune in to CNN/Fox etc. if you're interested. Word is its a national security issue.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 10:07 PM
It's not looking good.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 10:17 PM
Off topic...the Pres is about to announce that Osama Bin Ladan is dead. The U.S. has had his body for a week. DNA has confirmed it is him. No details yet...

ETA: Details kinda...

May 1, 2011
Osama bin Laden is dead
President to make surprise announcement that al Qaeda figurehead is dead
(CBS News)

The founder and spiritual figurehead for al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, is dead.

Several officials confirmed the report to CBS News, and say that his body is currently in U.S. hands.

President Barack Obama is expected to address the nation on the subject shortly.

Watch President Obama's address on bin Laden live

CBS News correspondent David Martin reports that bin Laden was killed by forces in Afghanistan.

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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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I thought I heard the President say that OBL's location has been known and confirmed for a week, but that bin Ladden was actually killed in a fire-fight earlier today.

Did I get that wrong?

Please forgive the off-topic detour, but there are those who drool at the merest hint of "factual error" circling this thread.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Bhadhidar because: spelling

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 12:02 AM
What are the chances of getting the Japan government to see reason and let Green Peace Volunteers have the chance to check the ocean outside of Fukishima for radiation properly? (And for the Reactor Pressure Vessel Body that is currently MIA????)

It's not like the Green Peace People would have to be paid, right ???

The RPV body went someplace, it's not a flimsy structure, and even if it fragmented, it should be hot enough to find easy enough. If it converted entirely to aerosol, I think the blast damage would be much larger, and -nothing- of the building would be left intact. (A big smoking hole, maybe.) The Spent Fuel Pond in #3 would not be as intact as it is either.

It's one thing for the fuel rods to shatter and be blown sky high, it's another for the entire reactor container, and concrete outer shell of it to be vaporized too. While I think it would be safe to say some criticality events possibly added to the blast of the reactor core, the area isn't simply -hot- enough for it to have been a pure nuke explosion. (IMO.)

One possibility is that part of (or the entirety of,) the RPV was launched up and out of its concrete shell; when the super hot remnants of the fuel core breached the basement area under the reactor. (And or, another part of the later event(s) blasting the concrete shell of it to rubble and that the shell got launched too. Of which might account for that super hot concrete block they found and removed earlier this past week.)

Which begs the question, where is the RPV now?

Another possibility is that the RPV structure fragmented utterly and was fired upwards much like a sawed off shotgun. Of which I still would have to ask:

If so: Where are those radio active super hot pellets now?

While a part of them might have burned up in the air as they fell back down to earth, significant remains of them would end up on the ground down wind of the blast site. (Super hot grains of sand/metal flakes anyone?)

So while the immediate concern is to keep reactors 1, 5 and 6 and surviving fuel pools intact.

An equally important if not urgent concern is to determine if part or all of the RPV is intact -someplace- and hot enough to cause more problems.

Then there will -have- to be a square foot, by square foot survey, down wind of Fukishma to find the super hot pellets and fragments that will be there. Along with the safe recovery of them and containment/disposal of them.

I'm thinking this issue might bite them on the arse later, if they don't start looking hard for it now, and figure out where it is.


edit on 2-5-2011 by Moshpet because: I'm tired and my brain keeps asking more troubling questions.

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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A while ago TEPCO (IIRC) was saying certain debris were bulldozed under- I believe that what was buried were fuel rods and bits of the RPV lid's flange.

This also explains the rush to spray epoxy resins all over the site. Iodine, cesium and other reported contaminants are volitile. Plutonium and other metallics and exotics are not as is contaminated concete dust.

Once we step back and go through the #3 explosion bit by bit the pieces of the puzzle come together in more ways than one.

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 01:43 AM
Another gov't prediction system failed in Fukushima nuclear accident

Monday 02nd May, 01:08 PM JST


Japan’s system for predicting the volume of radioactive materials to be released into the environment failed in the wake of the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant due to the power supply cut following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, sources close to the matter said Monday.

The malfunction of the Emergency Response Support System, or ERSS, coupled with the insufficiency of the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information, or SPEEDI, designed to predict the dispersal of radioactive materials based on forecasts by ERSS, is likely to have delayed the effective evacuation of residents in Fukushima Prefecture.

The systems’ failure casts doubt on the government’s disaster-prevention policy, which said that the systems should be used to analyze and predict the amount and spread of radioactive material into the environment during a nuclear crisis. The two systems have cost around 28 billion yen in total for their development and maintenance.


© 2011 Kyodo News. All rights reserved. No reproduction or republication without written permission.

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 01:59 AM
I think that the RPV At #3 (whatever is left of it) is still in the building . If the sensors on it can be trusted it has well below (1/10) normal air pressure. And the dry-well is at about air pressure , but the torus is at 1.7 atmospheres .

The 'bottom' of the RPV temp has been steadily rising and is currently 118C. So if all that can be trusted then it's a good bet the rpv is still in the drywell (somewhere) and hasn't moved far enough to dislodge the wires that connect the sensors , so it is plausible that the thing in Mosphets post is the upper ring that serves as the floor of the pool when they flood the top of the drywell to open the core and changes rods

Also if the numbers are correct it would appear Tepco is on the verge of another 'we need to start leaking because the water is getting too radioactive to keep re-circing' binge and purge cycle and either that or some other factor is causing whatever is in the water with the SC(torus) to start heating up , so most likely we are going to see another criticality at 3 and another 'burst' of radioactive contaminants. (remember we had problems with the #5/6 pools the last time they had too much 'hot' water right before the ocean dumping)

The low pressure numbers are disturbing because if they are not from steam it means a lot of hydrogen is getting produced, and if it is getting produced under salty water it also means that that water is becoming highly acidic ( HCL) and the steam is not only radioactive but also highly corrosive . I wonder if some debris is blocking the top of the rpv and allowing hydrogen to accumulate enough to give the low pressure readings

Which leads me to :

why were the Tepco guys worried about the pressure at #1 dropping too quickly once they started flooding the dry-well?

Personally I think they were worried about creating a criticality and rapidly releasing a bunch of hydrogen . seeing as #1 probably still has it's caps but has blown both cap 'gaskets" ( so to speak ) it could accumulate enough to blow (plus with the salt in there it would also be making HCL with it's hydrogen)

A couple of things to note are that since they started flooding the dry-well the temperature is starting to shoot up , 114, 131, 142C at the top and 95, 101, 105C at the bottom ( here is a pressure converter if you are curious what those MPa number mean) . That shouldn't be happening it should be going down as the water cools it

Also the top of the RPV is almost 3 times less pressure than the bottom , how can this be unless we have a gas that is not very dense (hydrogen) built up inside .

IT seems that Tepco knows they have a criticality ongoing in one and are dumping 'hot' water on it because

A) they have no place else to put it
B) they hope to get the hydrogen producing thing submerged to help mitigate the hydrogen production ( i.e. they can no longer pump enough nitrogen in to keep pace with the hydrogen production )

There is no way this plan can end well, and it is probably why they are putting radionucletide air-filters inside of one becasue they know they are about to get a lot more fission by-products "coming out of the the vents" inside the #1 building

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 02:51 AM
Well well well, what do we have here?

Tepco’s inability to circulate fluids in the damaged reactors and spent-fuel pools had forced the utility to use fire engines and external pumps to pour millions of liters of water to prevent them from overheating. Excess water has accumulated in basements and trenches at the plant, preventing workers from repairing cooling equipment.


And how long has it been since they've unveiled their road map and list of countermeasures? About as long as we've been getting second generation robocam feeds.


What's this?

According to Japan's Yomiuri Shimbun Monday, power was cut and water levels dropped by 2-meters at the plant's No. 2 reactor last June due to human error.


Who'd a thunk there'd be even more problems at the plant not related to earthquake or tsunami damage recently?

Being a parent myself, I feel so much empathy for these people:

Thousands of parents living near Japan's stricken Fukushima Daiichi power plant have condemned a government decision to lift radiation limits for schools in the area by 20 times, saying the move is based on incomplete science and could put children in danger.


Not everyone is rolling over to bare their throats for the wolves who would appear as though to come laden with gifts but who really only want what can be taken or poisoned if not to be had for themselves.

These parents have been lied to and are fed up with it. Prayers to them

posted on May, 2 2011 @ 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
But, if you live in Japan, before they can have that bright future, you and your children will just have to live in the dark...Or put up with the dangerous Atom.

Well that Atom is not making those children's future to bright right now. And I still think burning trash with a scrubber on the chimney would boil water just like uranium does.. and eliminate the trash problem as well

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 03:27 AM
55th anniv. of Minamata disease recognition marked
(Mainichi Japan) May 2, 2011

TOKYO/KUMAMOTO (Kyodo) -- Events to commemorate the 55th anniversary of Minamata disease's official recognition were held Sunday in Minamata, Kumamoto Prefecture, and Tokyo, with participants in Tokyo comparing the mercury poisoning with the ongoing nuclear crisis in Fukushima Prefecture.

In Minamata, about 650 people took part in a memorial service for victims, including sufferers themselves and bereaved families of those who have died.

Referring to the issue of redress, Masami Ogata, 53, pledged on behalf of the victims, "We've seen constant conflicts over the 55 years. We will have to resolve the problems in our generation and pass on the lessons learned to the next generations."


posted on May, 2 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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WOW, that was fast :

Tokyo Electric Power Co. is considering installing an air-based system to cool water from reactors at its crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear station once it is able to circulate fluids in the pressure vessels.

"...passive radiators like giant cpu cooling heat sinks should be stationed over such pools as submerged lids , just in case..."

I think they should just hire me if they are gonna keep stealing ideas ;-), but I think this is the first time we have heard any rumblings about the condition of the seawater exchanger :

The proposed method may replace a heat exchanger that used sea water as part of the cooling system that was knocked out

It won't make much of a difference though because once they get a structural failure at #1 a lot of water is going to get a chance to 're-fill' those basements . I think the Tepco guys did calculations on the steel and concrete as if it were new when they decided to start filling it , but I got news for them in that discovery channel piece on fukushima ( though it contained MANY factual errors, like all the reactors scammed when in fact teh evidence shows NONE of the reactors scrammed) the eye-witness saw cracks in one of the reactors buildings ( and they had footage) at #1 we have a 44 or 45 years old concrete structure wrapped around 6 inches of stainless steel containment that was recently exposed to lots of hot hydrogen. Setting aside the fact that hydrogen weakens steel, concrete and steel have an interesting relationship : concrete causes steel to rust ( including it's internal re-bar) and rusting steel causes concrete to crack . Which means that a very large portion of the re-enforcing steel in the concrete is no where near it's original stress load capacity ( re-bar will be significantly rusted ) and it will be a mass of hairline cracks , so all we need is an air-pocket or rust weaken section of steel wher eit has been touching the concrete for all these years and presto a new highly artistic reactor fountain sure to fill your basement with the relaxing sound of running water

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